Marriage is bad for women.

Well, this is embarrassing.  I was going to do a satirical writeup on a group of news stories selling divorce, but no matter how hard I try it just isn’t working.  I did some troubleshooting and found the problem.  I’ve heard about this kind of thing happening to other bloggers, but I never thought it would happen to me:

But that shouldn’t stop you from enjoying a round of female martyrdom complex satire free.

Entry #1: New York Times Once Rare in Rural America, Divorce Is Changing the Face of Its Families (H/T Kate):

“As we get more education we get more confidence and more income,” Ms. Vermeer said, “women are saying, ‘Look, she finally had the guts to stand up and walk out.’ ”

Entry #2: The Atlantic Longevity Myths (H/T Lily):

women who got divorced often thrived. Even women who were widowed often did exceptionally well. It often seemed as if women who got rid of their troublesome husbands stayed healthy

Entry #3: The Sunday Times All change (H/T Dan S):

In a new book, Dr Louann Brizendine explains how changes caused by the menopause weaken women’s instinct to hold a family together and liberate them from the need to put up with the failings of second-rate husbands

It goes without saying that any man considering marriage should have a keen eye out for the faintest hint of a martyrdom complex in his prospective wife.  The media and others will be whispering this kind of crap for the duration of your marriage.  Better to have her carping about why no one will man up and marry her than have her complaining about marrying you.

For those not opposed to leftover smartass, might I suggest:

You may also enjoy CSPB’s post on posts:  Which is More Important, the Post or the Hole?

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51 Responses to Marriage is bad for women.

  1. slwerner says:

    “Better to have her carping about why no one will man up and marry her than have her complaining about marrying you.”

    It seems as though you’ve hit upon a slogan for the MGTOW guys. It gets right to the heart of the matter in a way which young men would be likely to easily recognize.

    You might try dumbing it down a bit. How about:

    Better to have her b*tch that you didn’t marry her than to have her b*tch that you did!

  2. Will S. says:

    Oh no! You’d better fill up, pronto!

    [D: Yeah, I can’t stand it.]

  3. Lovekraft says:

    Seems we have left the pro-Homosexual fervour of the 1990s, where feminism tried to cover their tracks by normalizing homosexuality.

    Now the dearth of feminism as a valid moral and political ideology is becoming more and more apparent, but the sad thing is that they still have a stranglehold on public education. Here, history and sociology can be undermined.

  4. Dan in Philly says:

    What women don’t realize is they can influence their husband’s behavior. Note I said influence, not control. That’s where the feminists have it all wrong, they try to get women to act more like men, rather than teaching them how to act like women can and should. This only results in the men in their lives treating them as if they were a man, and not a woman, which only makes the problem worse.

    So, you’re married to a huge mangina beta. The feminists tell you, through their relentless and unquestioned media machine, that they can either leave, or try to change their husbands through what are basically male tactics: withholding sex, browbeating, nagging, and so on. Since this never works, they end up leaving.

    On the other hand, women can influence a man through what can be called reverse game. They can act like the wives that any good man would want, respectful and sexual of the man when he’s acting alpha, scornful when he’s beta, demanding he be the leader of the household and refusing to play along when he tries to abdicate his responsibilities. Do not become the man in the relationship, ladies. Let him, demand he, be the man.

    While I cannot say this will always work, I do know it does in fact work. I have seen it work in my own life and the lives of men around me. Men do respond when challenged in this way be the woman they love. Appeal to him as a woman, and you will get far.

    Here’s te key point. If you try to act as a man would another man, and he’ll react as a man might when faced with a larger alpha man, that is, as a beta (that is, unless he’s an Alpha, in which case you wouldn’t be treating him like a man would treat another man anyway). This is the same problem you see in the workforce. At one time, men harassed women just for being there. Those days are long gone, and now the most complaints you see women make are being harrassed and razzed. However, this is exactly the way men act around each other. These women are complaining that men are treating them like they were men, which is what they’ve been claiming the wanted all this time!

    If ladies acted like ladies around men, the men would treat them like ladies. However ladies acting like ladies invite the scorn of feminists, and until women can free themselves from the fear of their scorn, they are trapped and doomed to misery.

  5. Paige says:

    Well Said, Dan in Philly

  6. Anonymous says:

    Pack your bags, we’re going to hell– and these women (the ones who wrote all the serious should-be-in-the-Onion-instead stories) will rides us all the way there feeling good about themselves right to the end.

  7. Badger says:

    Dex,

    Thanks – watch my blog.

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  9. Jack Amok says:

    I loved the comments on the “Good mom/bad wife” post. The women there were ripping the whinning princess a new one. Gave me some hope for the future. There were a couple of women and manginas who supported BadWife, but the bulk of the comments were along the lines of “you selfish idiot – you’re smothering your son and driving away your husband. Wise up and knock it off.”

    And contrary to what I’ve come to expect from the PinkWeb (women’s websites that invariably have a pink colorscheme), the only pro-divorce comments were the ones from people saying she shouldn’t be surprised if her husband divorced her lazy butt and found a real wife.

    A glimmer, a glimmer…

  10. Dex says:

    @ Badger – awesome!

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  12. Lilith says:

    Yawn. Men are not born leaders.They make poor choices as much as anyone else does. Just because men have a penises doesn’t give them the right to godhood or leadership. Marriage is what it has always been: A contract; whether for wealth, offspring or to unite clans. The only new addition is Love. It’s been since women had the right to say no and since people should and do want love to be the reason to marry. But as we all know, the only lasting love is between a parent and their child. Marital love comes and goes because people change. Their wants and needs change and we live A LOT longer than we used to. Till death do us part is a long freakin’ time to put up with somebody’s crap. Men are sore about marriage because women have rights now as where before, they suffered in silence. The divorce rates peaked in the early 80’s but they’ve declined as couples see what it does to their children. Now, we suffer for the sake of our children.

    Marriage has certainly benefited my father and husband more than it’s benefited my mother or me. She won’t be able to escape until he’s dead and I won’t be able to escape until my kids are grown. Which won’t be for another 20 years or so. The men are content. Anytime we ask them to pull their weight, they are the ones who piss and moan. All of my friends are tired of raising their man along with their children. Thus is life. If I could offer young women advice: Don’t get married. You’ll be better off living alone, doing what & when you want to, learn handy work yourself (I did) or hire an electrician or carpenter because a husband will never get around to it. Trust me. Don’t have kids because you’ll do it alone whether you work or not. It’s not worth it. Ask any woman married 10 years or more.

  13. Dalrock says:

    Lilith,

    I’ve got your back. I’m trying to prevent men from victimizing women like you by marrying them. If I had my way, women like you and your mother would never have had the burden of getting married.

  14. deti says:

    Lilith:

    When’s the last time you said an encouraging word to your husband?

    When did you last tell him you loved him?

    When did you last show him you care about what happens to him?

    Why did you marry him in the first place?

    You can leave him now and the state will make sure he pays alimony and child support. You are not trapped. If you think only of yourself, you can have your “freedom” today. Your children, on the other hand, will suffer because of your decisions. In fact they are probably already suffering since they surely can see the contempt, disrespect and hatred you have for your husband (and presumably, their father).

  15. deti says:

    Lilith:

    What do you want your husband to do in order to “pull his weight”? Do you want him to be a kitchen bitch? You want him to do the dishes more often, or take out the trash? Do you want him to be a maid, putting away clothes and vacuuming and dusting?

    Do you want him to play with the kids, or take them somewhere without you, or bathe them? Do you want him to be a nanny or an au pair?

  16. Feminist Hater says:

    Lilith, your feminist mantra is boring. No one cares about you and your ilk anymore. You can do whatever you want to and no one gives a damn. Just please don’t screech and moan about how there are no good men anymore.

    So…before you leave. Enjoy the cats! And would you mind awfully giving my sympathies to your husband but most especially your children. May God have pity on them and lead them away from you.

    Amen!

  17. Feminist Hater says:

    Talk about a grave dig! Nice one Lil!

  18. hurp says:

    I’ve got your back. I’m trying to prevent men from victimizing women like you by marrying them. If I had my way, women like you and your mother would never have had the burden of getting married

    God damn, I LOL’d out loud reading this. Never change, Dalrock. Never change.

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  20. What the hell is it with women’s endless freakin lists of to-do? Its not genuine handy man things, and we all know that. Its that they are basically unsettled as humans, they cannot even finish the simplest list of tasks due to being distracted by others, then they complain that men wont pull weight.
    Dalrock we need some stats, because this is anecdotal, but compelling….every single time Ive seen a man have to become Mr Mom, because he found himself single and with kids (gasp….rare) or his wife got the big job and he was to stay home, the place functions like clockwork. BIL has 7 kids, they homeschooled, his house was (I thought understandably) very disorderly when he was breadwinner. His wife lands a career, and he starts running things and the kids are finished with school and the house is put right by 1PM daily, he then does something he enjoys, then has things ready for his wifes arrival home. Seen this over and over in my life.
    I asked a SIL once to tell me whose job was harder, hers or husbands, he was a farmer (different BIL SIL set), she of course comes out with the womans work is never done. What is your daily routine I asked (she also home schooled)….well, get up 8ish, make some breakfast (I asked does she clean up after, she says no not yet I will run out of time otherwise)…at 9-930 she says she sat on the couch to “collect her thoughts”…..anyway, you get the picture, place was a nightmare. I asked her if a man who worked at a company job could take thought collection time, or choose to skip a task for a day or two…..no, but but but.
    Its not as bad but its similar in my house, wife will travel 1 week out of 8 on a biz trip, while she is gone I work full time of course, home is clean, no dishes no dirty laundry, no clutter, traskh cans empty….when wife is home…..weeeelllll, not so much.
    Its because of the bee hive of noise in their heads of things that NEED done.
    The woman above says she needs to raise her husband….which implies teaching him…..um….please do not teach any men how to run a household….we need more efficiency not less. Its not about YOU…its about the family.

  21. Darlene says:

    It’s interesting how some of the males are complaining about being asked to pitch in. As usual, it gets labelled as “nagging” and women are made out to be “bad wives” – “How dare you ask me to clean the toilet I piss in?” My question is, what do males think a “good wife” is? Guys may not like it but the fact is, they’re not entitled to dictate how women conduct their lives. There’s no such thing as, “Women should ____________ (fill in the blank)”. It’s a common theme…some guy is miserable because his wife is not submitting to him (a lot of guys just don’t get that they are not entitled to that), taking care of things he doesn’t want to or being somebody he wants her to be (rather than who she really is).

  22. Feminist Hater says:

    I agree Darlene, marriage is bad for women. Don’t do it.

  23. an observer says:

    Darlene,

    Thanks for visiting.

    Each of the points you raise have been thoroughly answered, many times, on this site.

    Your comment is an attempt to use several vague generalisations and shaming words. It is really unnecessary.

    Many of the wrirers here would gladly address each and any points raised. However, i doubt that will happen. Having assauged your offense on behalf of team woman with a baseless verbal spray, your sense of virtue and pride at the patriarchal oppressors is reinforced. Mission accomplished. You go, girl.

    Glad we could help.

  24. Darlene says:

    You’ve jumped to inaccurate conclusions and misinterpreted some points but that’s okay, we’re all here to plug in our 2 cents’ worth. If you’re not a fan of repetition, you’re not obligated to read posts that appear repetitive. No one else is steering your eyeballs.

  25. Trex says:

    So I did not read all the posts…I got stuck at how a woman “should” act-give sex no nagging…have diner ready,be supportive when is being alpha…I did those things for 12 years and got crap in return…I’m done now…now I just play the part and do what I want-my marriage is a sham, but it was from the start I just was too blind to see it.

  26. MrsZ says:

    Since so many women make bad choices when getting married, maybe we should go back to the arranged marriage bit. That way, interested parties (i.e., parents) can choose the most suitable husband and the wife can deal with it. The fact that she will be unhappy is irrelevant, she’d be unhappy if she chose.

  27. Melissa White says:

    I’ve been thinking for a while and it is hard for me to see much useful purpose that men can have in a relationship with women. I can’t encourage women to be dependent or needy – it is too demeaning. And if women don’t need anything from men, of what use is a relationship with them? Other than donating sperm I’m not sure what else is exclusively masculine? I think friendship may be possible but that would require respect and liking on both sides.

  28. Melissa White says:

    Further, it is my observation that many females marry with the hope that the man will protect them, take care of them, love and respect them. And, many men marry with the expectation that they will get an on demand servant, nurse and prostitute (bought with “marriage”) etc. and lately also a financial provider. As the marriage develops, the two peoples’ expectations collide and there is disappointment on both sides. Women would be better off learning to be independent and look after themselves and men would be better of outright buying the services they would like to enjoy.

  29. That is pretty dark Melissa. But if you think your gender is responsible enough to pay for all its own bills (without running to government to make you whole, Life of Julia style) and you can work out a deal where a man donates his sperm, then maybe you don’t need us? Of course this is a Christian blog and there was ZERO Christian about what you just said, so I guess if you take Christ out of the equation then maybe this makes sense.

  30. Ellie says:

    Melissa, Why is dependency demeaning? It is an honest question. I really have a hard time understanding how it demeans me to serve my husband in a different way than he serves me. He does, after all, share everything he earns with me.

    Everyone has a boss- life is built on hierarchy. But why is it not demeaning for a man to be under authority at work but it is demeaning for a wife to be under a husband’s authority at home?

  31. deti says:

    @ Melissa White:

    You should have read further upthread. This Dalrock quote’s for you:

    “I’ve got your back. I’m trying to prevent men from victimizing women like you by marrying them. If I had my way, women like you*** would never have had the burden of getting married.”

    By all means, Melissa, don’t marry. That way you’ll spare yourself the horror of a man’s devotion and love – all to save you from ever having to do anything for a man.

    On a more serious note: You can be anything you wish; play any role you like. Just so long as you’re adult about it and don’t expect government or taxpayer freebies like government healthcare, or medicare benefits, or social security, or police or fire protection, or a makework paper shuffler government “job”. And when you’re 35, don’t come running to the dating websites and demand that George Clooney show up to offer you a ring and a date.

  32. highwasp says:

    Melissa – lets just flip that script and see what generations of men are concluding:

    “I’ve been thinking for a while and it is hard for me to see much useful purpose that women can have in a relationship with men. I can’t encourage men to be dependent or needy – it is too demeaning. And if men don’t need anything from women, of what use is a relationship with them? Other than donating eggs I’m not sure what else is exclusively feminine? I think friendship may be possible but that would require respect and liking on both sides.”



    “Further, it is my observation that many males marry with the hope that the woman will sex them, take care of them, love and respect them. And, many women marry with the expectation that they will get an on demand servant, nurse and male prostitute (bought with “marriage”) etc. and of course a financial provider. As the marriage develops, the two peoples’ expectations collide and there is disappointment on both sides. Men would be better off learning to be independent and look after themselves and women would be better off outright buying the services they would like to enjoy.”
    .
    That is exactly what Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) looks like. Thanks for so clearly defining it from the woman’s point of view.

    Now, imagine a male birth control pill (Gandarusa) and a male birth control method (Risug) giving men in the USA the procreative choices and controls that only women currently enjoy. Consider men having the Choice of when and /or if he has children. No more ‘accidental’ pregnancies. No more ‘unwanted’ children. No more single ‘mothers’. No more obligatory marriages. No more babies born to men who didn’t want, plan or otherwise even know about it… Imagine men having the same birth control technologies and choices that women currently enjoy and your script flips 180º as I have depicted above.

    You write from a position of privileged, status, conceit and ignorance much like a queen who can’t see the slaves who work and die maintaining her privilege and status. And in typical queen like fashion you merely find the slaves disposable. Well ok, that’s cool – the man slaves are running off the plantation anyway so I guess it’s a win – win. Thanks again for so eloquently defining MGTOW so that more men can see the logic and reality of it.

  33. Now, imagine a male birth control pill (Gandarusa) and a male birth control method (Risug) giving men in the USA the procreative choices and controls that only women currently enjoy. Consider men having the Choice of when and /or if he has children. No more ‘accidental’ pregnancies. No more ‘unwanted’ children. No more single ‘mothers’.

    Unfortunately, I don’t think this will make a damn bit of difference. We don’t have millions and millions of simple moms because they have pruprosely allowed themselves to get pregnant to get a government check. We have millions and millions of single moms because people are irresponsible. I think the kind of men that would get a woman pregnant out of wedlock is not likely to be the kind of man who would be responsible about his OWN birth control.

  34. Martian Bachelor says:

    “If we could survive without a wife, citizens of Rome, all of us would do without that nuisance.”
    – Quintus Caecilius Metellus Macedonicus (131 B.C. – Roman general, statesman, and censor)

    Now we can just survive fine.

    Of course old QCMM was taking ’bout Rome itself, and the need to reproduce kids to replace the old folks dying off, but that’s not our department any more now that the State owns the women who own the kids. Or, at least, if you find yourself in that territory you’ve gotten lured over to wrong side of the tracks where there are very bad people there and you’ll live to regret it – if you’re lucky.

  35. highwasp says:

    ibb: “he got her pregnant” is one meme which I can tell you really believe – you write it as though that is a forgone conclusion. got it. one good delusion is as good as another and that one is only the tip of the misandry iceberg upon which you apparently float.

    Well at least you wrote irresponsible ‘people’ instead of ‘men’ – oh wait – but then you make up for that bit of shared culpability and again blame men with : ‘who get a woman pregnant out of wedlock’ – as if men are not only responsible for the out of wedlock pregnancy but by doing so exhibit the irresponsibility to manage their own birth control. got it. even if the opportunity for a man to access responsibility for procreation existed, you posit that men would ignore it. wow. misandry 101. I wonder what you are doing on this blog with such deep seated distrust and low opinion of men… you remind me of the queen mentioned in my previous post = those who dispose of the man slaves as easily as Melissa… a bit holier than thou, forgiven, faithful, special…

  36. highwasp, they are BOTH acting irresponsible

    unless she is going into the bathroom and fishing the condom out of the toilet or the wastebasket and insert the semen into her vagina (to catch him) then they both screwed up. he didn’t wear a condom and she didn’t take the pill. its not one or the other. they were both irresponsible

    now if he has a vascetomy and doesn’t tell her, then he is completely protected. that is taking responsibility

  37. By the by highwasp, I think Melissa is totally wrong. I am just not that convinced a man’s birth control pill is going to change the current bastard rate given that men can use condoms to accomplish the same thing the male birth control pill does. And we already know that men need to be responsible about this because women aren’t responsible about this. Their gender just isn’t typically accountable. I haven’t known too many women who took that tiny pill at the same time each day.

  38. Luke says:

    nnocentbystanderboston says:
    August 23, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    ” I am just not that convinced a man’s birth control pill is going to change the current bastard rate given that men can use condoms to accomplish the same thing the male birth control pill does.”

    You couldn’t be more wrong. When a condom is involved in coitus, a woman may be getting to have sex, but from many to most men’s POV, both physically and emotionally, he’s not. My attitude is that she can just wrap a condom on a broomstick and doesn’t need me; I’d go looking for a woman who wants me to get to have sex as well. (This doesn’t even get into fellatio with a condom, tantamount to silent phone sex for him, and throating an old garden hose for her — hardly preferable to solitary porn site surfing.)

  39. highwasp says:

    well ibb – since you seem to conclude that women aren’t responsible for using their plethora of birth control options and methods effectively, but then on the other hand write, “he got her pregnant” – even though us men have nowhere near equal opportunity to be responsible for our own procreation, say with a pill, or a block, or any of the other various methods and options a woman has, that you still hold the man responsible for her pregnancy – HE GOT HER PREGNANT… I guess it’s this simple then: he ejaculates therefore he’s responsible. right!

    Never mind that she’s got about a 9 to 1 opportunity over the male to be responsible for her own procreation, yet he’s the one who got her pregnant. uh huh.

    But, then you write that if we give these men who are responsible for the pregnancy more options and methods to be avoid pregnancy, so the men can choose when and with whom they want to procreate – you say these same men would ignore that responsibility and not use the birth control – because they are irresponsible –

    Which is it – ? is he responsible or not ? if HE GOT HER PREGNANT then he’s responsible for getting her pregnant – he’s responsible. If you are going to hold him responsible for getting her pregnant then it stands to reason that he’d be the one with all the opportunities and options whereby to prevent the pregnancy, yet he failed to use them. That’s irresponsible. But he doesn’t have those options and choices – SHE DOES – yet you don’t write : SHE GOT HERSELF PREGNANT – conversely – you write the opposite – as though it’s is a forgone conclusion that the man gets the woman pregnant – the woman isn’t responsible for the what that man did to her. He ejaculated and got her pregnant. done deal. therefore you hold the man [responsible] for the choices and options of the [irresponsible] woman. I invite you to check that idea and those words as it’s not only inaccurate, bigoted, presumptuous – it’s Misandry 101 = holding men accountable for the privilege of women.

  40. Luke says:

    Dan in Philly says:
    March 25, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    “Here’s t[h]e key point. If you try to act as a man would another man, and he’ll react as a man might when faced with a larger alpha man, that is, as a beta (that is, unless he’s an Alpha, in which case you wouldn’t be treating him like a man would treat another man anyway). This is the same problem you see in the workforce. At one time, men harassed women just for being there. Those days are long gone, and now the most complaints you see women make are being harrassed and razzed. However, this is exactly the way men act around each other. These women are complaining that men are treating them like they were men, which is what they’ve been claiming the wanted all this time!”

    Not exactly true anymore, lots of places now. Too many men have either personally experienced, or been aware of, a blown way out of proportion/totally trumped-up issue between a man and a woman in the workplace, that led to an essentially/completely innocent man being reprimanded, losing his job, even his whole career. The natural and increasing response for men in work environments is to say NOTHING not required by the job to women there. This “fem-fear” results for women not just in not being asked out on dates by men they’d welcome that from. It also costs them (with those men) any chance of friendship or getting useful information (mentoring, workplace politics news, etc.) I support this approach, and wish even more men did this than already do.

  41. Luke,

    When a condom is involved in coitus, a woman may be getting to have sex, but from many to most men’s POV, both physically and emotionally, he’s not.

    Fair enough. But unless you believe that many to men men wont HAVE SEX (unless he doesn’t have to wear a condom) then it doesn’t matter what his POV on sex is, as far as changing the bastard rate goes.

  42. wasp,

    Which is it – ? is he responsible or not ? if HE GOT HER PREGNANT then he’s responsible for getting her pregnant – he’s responsible. If you are going to hold him responsible for getting her pregnant then it stands to reason that he’d be the one with all the opportunities and options whereby to prevent the pregnancy, yet he failed to use them. That’s irresponsible.

    Okay you want my opinion? Not that it matters as opinions are like @ssholes (everyone has one) and I’m not convinced every man in the manosphere will have the same opinion on this one but here goes, you don’t want kids then have a vasectomy or wear a condom. Don’t trust her. Don’t count on her to be responsible about it even if she tells you she is. She might be LYING to you. Protect yourself. Don’t put yourself in a situation where you have worry about these things. Opt out, (surgically or otherwise.) Because ultimately, you are putting your penis in there so you have to be responsible. You already KNOW that quite often, she wont be responsible (particularly if you aren’t married and she wants your money.) She may have other motives in mind.

    Far too many women are cold and calculating Wasp. So (since I’m on your side) protect yourself. That is just my opinion. You can have whatever opinion you want on this, I don’t care.

  43. Luke says:

    Responsibility for pregnancy issue, resolved by the use of math and logic:

    A fundamental axiom of law and justice is that responsibility must be justified by control, and should always be comparable.

    Figure that the average intercourse takes, oh, 5 minutes of actual penetration to conclude. Give each partner 50% of the responsibility for the decision-making during that period of time. A normal pregnancy takes about 40 weeks (9 months) to go to completion, a decision any pregnant woman not chained in a basement decides each day to deliberately continue. Let’s say it costs 250K to raise a child in America to maturity now. For $250,000.00 * (5 min/60 minutes in an hour) * (24 hours in each day) * (7 days in a week) * (40 weeks), that means his financial share should be .$1,55.

    So, imagine a world where a man’s responsibility for an unwanted (by him) pregnancy was comparable to his control over it. His one-night-stand of 7 weeks ago runs into him in a bar, and tearfully tells him she’s in the family way. He should be able to tell her “No problem, I’ll cover my share”, hand her a 2-dollar bill, and walk away with a clear conscience.

    The chicks here don’t like this? Then, give men equal control over reproduction, including the right to either mandate or forbid abortions. Frankly, IMO the logic of contracts should hold supreme, where unless both partners knowingly and IN WRITING agree to a pregnancy going to term, it doesn’t. (Oh, and don’t try saying “but I’m against abortion, so I get an out on this. Abortion DOES exist, however Team Womyn members wish to pretend it doesn’t. Clapping hands over ears when the concept comes up and loudly chanting “LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA” doesn’t alter my analysis and conclusions a whit; it just makes a person look as grossly uninformed as a Jehovah’s Witness thinking blood transfusions aren’t an option, vegans that eating meat is ethically or practically impossible, etc.)

  44. Luke,

    So, imagine a world where a man’s responsibility for an unwanted (by him) pregnancy was comparable to his control over it. His one-night-stand of 7 weeks ago runs into him in a bar, and tearfully tells him she’s in the family way. He should be able to tell her “No problem, I’ll cover my share”, hand her a 2-dollar bill, and walk away with a clear conscience.

    That is fine Luke but the LAW protects her and gives her the ultimate choice to murder or NOT murder the unborn child. Thats the LAW. And there is nothing that you or I can do about it. I don’t like it, but that is the LAW.

    So we can sit here and argue about what is right or moral agency until we are blue in the face. If she wants your money for the next 18 years, she’s going to get your money if you put your penis inside her (before you have taken the proper precautions) because that is how the LAW is written. All these examples of contracts don’t mean a thing. The only real protections you have (against you taking your money) is the blood test to prove paternity but if she KNOWS the child isn’t yours (and she is going to know) she will use whatever legal means there is at her disposal to prevent that test from ever occuring.

    And it doesn’t matter what the chicks want to hear or not. This is the manosphere and we are all supposed to be on the same side. So men need to know what they can do to protect themselves from allowing these things from happening. Ultimately (if he refuses to use condoms and he likes to have sex out of wedlock with as many different women as he can find) then see the Urulogist and get snipped. Now you are protected, completely.

  45. highwasp says:

    “you got her pregnant” and “use a condom” or “don’t breed it if you can’t feed it” and “keep it in your pants” – “playah” – “womanizer” – “horn dog” – “pussy hound” – “Sex can wait, masterbate!” … abstain like ‘real men’ did in the ‘good ole days’ – don’t mind all that birth control technology, legal choices and rights all going to the women – no – you keep yourself in check boy cuz we shonuff gonna charge you full price for that koochee: Gov’t pimping out women and women paying their pimp from the money they take from the “Johns” who “got her pregnant”. . .02¢

  46. Luke says:

    nnocentbystanderboston says:
    August 23, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    “That is fine Luke but the LAW protects her and gives her the ultimate choice to murder or NOT murder the unborn child. Thats the LAW. And there is nothing that you or I can do about it. I don’t like it, but that is the LAW.

    So we can sit here and argue about what is right or moral agency until we are blue in the face. If she wants your money for the next 18 years, she’s going to get your money if you put your penis inside her”

    Then, a man whose 1NS turns up pregs would morally be fully justified by emigrating, going Galt, or otherwise just disappearing. When the law is an ass, only an ass will willingly obey it any more than he can manage.

  47. highwasp says:

    no not looking for your opinion or your asshole – ibb – was looking for your logical response to your use of the misandric term: “he got her pregnant” – the illogical and unreasonable presumptions behind it are self evident as is your avoidance of owning it.

  48. highwasp says:

    …but thanks for the sage advice ibb

  49. highwasp says:

    and thank you too Luke – I like your math and logic.

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