Have You Ever Beat Up A Girlfriend? Cause, Uh, I Have

I was reading an article in Psychiatric News the other day, and my wife asked me why I was laughing so hard.  It was a really funny piece full of stories of women who didn’t fight back when they were beat up by their husbands and boyfriends.  Once I was done laughing I thought to myself:

Good times…  Good times!

Pieces like this just bring back such great memories for me.  Like the time I went nuts on a girlfriend and started violently shoving her.  Another time I overheard a girlfriend on the phone and it sounded like she was flirting with another guy, so I slapped the phone out of her hands and hit her in the face and in the neck.

I know, I should have warned you this would be such a funny post.  But no, I’m not buying you a new keyboard if you just spit your drink all over it!

All of this got me thinking I’ll bet my friends have some great stories too.  The first guy I called had a story so funny I was curled up on the floor holding my stomach I was laughing so hard.  He slapped a girl when she told him she thought she had breast cancer!

Another friend punched a chick in the face and broke her glasses.

Let’s just say that it’d be wise to never ever f*ck with us.

Edit Nov 10: For the satire impaired, this post is a mirror with genders switched of a post celebrating domestic violence committed by the members of the feminist blog Jezebel.

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58 Responses to Have You Ever Beat Up A Girlfriend? Cause, Uh, I Have

  1. Badger Nation says:

    Jezebel is a hive of evil scum.

  2. jack says:

    If they keep demonstrating that it is okay to be violent against your significant other, then perhaps their men may decide it is okay as well, and use their superior male strength back against them.

  3. jack says:

    By the way, I am not sure I believe a lot of that talk. “Tough-girl” talk is often just that.

    Powerless girls, quaking with impotent rage, fantasizing about things that they wish they had the sack to actually do.

  4. Badger Nation says:

    “Powerless girls, quaking with impotent rage, fantasizing about things that they wish they had the sack to actually do.”

    Based on my informal survey, revenge fantasizing is a HUGE pastime among young women. They’ve got such a chip on their shoulder and are completely unable to deal with even the slightest rejection or being “alone.” I guess it’s part of snowflaking psychology. I’d love to see a study of it.

    The thing that is really scary is that the “revenge” is usually for slights, or for things that men didn’t do wrong at all. Like breaking up with someone – uncomfortable, but not illegal or morally wrong; in no moral universe is breaking up cause for violence. I tell women who tell me these things “you’d do well to get over it, or you simply show him he made the right choice to get away from a pyscho.”

  5. J says:

    I have to admit that I was appalled when I saw the Jezebel article that you are satirizing. That’s no way for adults to relate to those they love.

    OTOH, the Jezeloons don’t need to demonstrate “that it is okay to be violent against your significant other,” for men to “decide it is okay as well, and use their superior male strength back against them.” All those men have to do is visit CR and read accounts of how SE Asian women “love the drama” of being slapped or about how when your otherwise subservient wife looks at another guy on a train you should hit her. And of course, should the woman smarten up and decide that she’s tired of the abuse you should join an MRA, go ghost or cry like a bitch on the interwebz, “Where are all the good women?”

    In an ideal world, there would be a Jezzie for every Chateau denizen–and they would beat some sense into each other.

  6. Susan Walsh says:

    Jezebel is a hive of evil scum.
    Tracie Egan, who wrote that article, used to go by the pen name Slut Machine, and once hired a guy to play rape her:

    http://jezebel.com/298206/meet-slut-machine-jezebel-spiritual-leader-no-longer-in-hiding

    She has a blog, though sadly it’s password protected:
    http://www.onedatatime.com/dick_liker/

    And here’s her recent wedding photo:

    This guy must be insane.

    [D: Good find Susan. What a dumbass! Maybe we should nominate him for beta of the month over at CR.]

  7. Doomed Harlot says:

    I read Jezebel from time-to-time, but I certainly wouldn’t condone this piece. (Actually, I don’t even really understand the piece. What is the joke exactly? What is the author’s point?) Here is a much more thoughtful piece from Jezebel, different author, who also admits to having hit men:

    http://jezebel.com/5173723/the-double+standard-is-women-hitting-men-ever-okay

    I think she is quite right that there is a sense in our culture that it is cute or funny when women hit men, because, hey, after all, we are small and harmless, right? This is yet another way sexist stereotypes harm everyone.

  8. Thag Jones says:

    Hard to tell if that’s meant to be taken seriously or not. Boy oh boy, that “slut machine” thing…. How do these people actually find men who will marry them? Wow, just…. bonkers.

  9. JD says:

    @Susan
    Tracie is an edgy young woman; quite the NYC hipsterette; I’ve read some of her “work,” including her account of hiring a male prostitute to play rape her (it turned out to be unsatisfying – he seemed to want some emotional component).

    Maybe the whole spiel got tiresome, perhaps now she just wants to move to the burbs, birth some babies and get a minivan.

    I also, do not find it funny or empowering to beat your boyfriend/husband but then I have never enjoyed jokes about “smacking your bitch up” and such. Anybody here recall Jackie Gleason and his “Pow! To the moon, Alice!” on The Honeymooners? This kind of cutesy violence was a real chuckle before those dang womens libbers and the politically correct folks ruined everything! Guess it’s not as funny when it’s your own getting the beat-down.

    DV isn’t cute or joke material; any woman engaging in it deserves the same censure and punishment we’d dole out to a man. Shame on Jezebel for publishing that crap.

  10. J says:

    @SW

    I notice that Tracy has dropped her delightful sobriquet since getting married. When I first stumbled up Jezebel and saw the pen name ‘Tracie “Slut Machine” Egan,’ I was shocked. I’d like to believe that half of what she writes–including the play rape story– is BS, which is BTW what I believe of Roissy.

    Did you see the latest over there? Roosh or Jim Weidmann or whoever writes about dumping the perfect girl because of a bad vaginal odor because he “has options.” More likely, she left (if she even exists) because he did some thing crass.

  11. J says:

    @JD

    Maybe the whole spiel got tiresome, perhaps now she just wants to move to the burbs, birth some babies and get a minivan.

    Hey, there’s a lot worse sh*t that happen can to you–like not moving to the burbs, not birthing some babies and not getting a minivan.

    Actually, I’m against minivans; I drive a station wagon. It’s more eco-friendly.

    [D: Minivans=ball-less.]

  12. J says:

    @Doomed Harlot

    I think she is quite right that there is a sense in our culture that it is cute or funny when women hit men, because, hey, after all, we are small and harmless, right? This is yet another way sexist stereotypes harm everyone.

    I basically agree, though I do think it’s much easier for man to hurt a woman than vice-versa. If I lost control in the heat of an argument and smacked my husband, I doubt I’d do much damage. He probably just laugh it off. OTOH, it wouldn’t take much for him to wipe the floor with me if he wanted to. If I really wanted to hurt him, I’d have to put a lot of thought and effort into how I was going to compensate for the difference in size and strength. It’s probably easier for a small woman to success at premediated murder than in a heat of the moment fight.

    The large girl from Teen Mom OTOH? She’s dangerous and crazy. Se needs help.

  13. J says:

    D: Minivans=ball-less.

    J: Huh! I have no balls. Maybe I do need a mini-van.

    BTW, I just clicked on your breast cancer link. When I was a teenager, one of my friend’s fathers developed breast cancer. It was no joke. He did recover, but it was caught later than it should have been, so it was a harder recovery than it would have been–more chemo/radiation–had it been caught earlier. Poor man. He was really a great guy, everyone’s second dad.

  14. Susan Walsh says:

    @J
    Did you see the latest over there? Roosh or Jim Weidmann or whoever writes about dumping the perfect girl because of a bad vaginal odor because he “has options.”

    That is one of the most disgusting things I have ever read. What’s more, I don’t understand why it needed to be written. It does not have the writing style of James Weidmann, though admittedly it is from “the school of JW.” Does Roosh write there now? Blech.

  15. J says:

    It lacks James Weidmann’s bite and wit, but it has a certain sophmoricness. I think Roosh wrote it.

    What a guy! His alphaness come right throught the computer screen and makes me quiver. I want to submit!! I’ll bet no one farts in bed like he does. Be still my heart!

  16. Anonymous Reader says:

    @J
    The reason that those men who develop breast cancer are more likely to die than women are, and typically suffer more in treatment due to a later diagnosis is quite simple: “Everyone knows” that only women develop cancer of the breast.

    Doomed Harlot:
    I think she is quite right that there is a sense in our culture that it is cute or funny when women hit men, because, hey, after all, we are small and harmless, right? This is yet another way sexist stereotypes harm everyone.

    It isn’t a sexist stereotype that women striking men is cute and funny. It’s feminist entitlement. What kind of person makes a habit of hitting someone that the know cannot and will not hit back? A bully. Feminism encourages women to act like bullies, because even shouting at a woman can be considered Domestic Violence under Federally mandated law. Since women can strike men, even injure them, with no legal repercussion, it should not be a surprise if/when it becomes more common.

    Nevermind Egan, she’s a sigma or two from the median. It’s all the happy commenters on the site, celebrating their physical and emotional abuse of men who were foolish enough to trust them that is deserving of scrutiny, because they are far closer to the norm for modern women.

  17. novaseeker says:

    The big double standard on DV was evident as recently as the Tiger Woods case, where it was abundantly clear Elin had assaulted him and chased the car with a golf club, almost certainly smashing the rear window (anyone see “The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo?”). I also remember feminists in the media downplaying this at the time, in light of his affairs. As if female affairs justify male on female DV. Many women just can’t get around this double standard, even if the woman is armed. I remember all the triumphant fist-pumping from women happening around the time of the Lorena Bobbitt case as well — disgusting yet very, very common. And quite telling.

    [D: You don’t think a man who stabbed his wife in the vagina would get laughs on the Tonight Show?]

  18. The Truth says:

    Hezebel are sophisticated trolls. I’d ignore them.

  19. Susan Walsh says:

    @Nova
    I’ve read that Stieg Larsson was an ardent feminist, and wrote his books with that mission in mind, which is pretty interesting in this context.

    @J
    The idea of Roosh condemning someone’s hygiene is beyond laughable. When I watched the tour of his “crib”, i.e. Daddy’s basement, my gag reflex kicked in. I’m serious.

  20. Doomed Harlot says:

    The notion that female violence against men is no big deal hardly seems like feminist entitlement. Such ideas are rather more the product of old-time gender roles. It’s the chivalrous old male judge who is most likely to let the female offender off the hook.

  21. Anonymous Reader says:

    Doomed Harlot

    The notion that female violence against men is no big deal hardly seems like feminist entitlement.

    Yes, yes, because NAFALT. However, misandry has been embedded within feminism for over a generation, thanks to the likes of Susan Brownmiller, Andrea Dworkin, et al. VAWA incorporates many of those feminist premises into law. Again, women can strike men and pay no penalty. Men who raise their voice to women can go to jail. The asymmetry gives free pass to women to be as violent towards men as they wish. Combine that with the ever growing sense of entitlement that modern women possess, and we can only expect more young women like the commenters at Jezibel. Meanwhile, older postmenopausal feminists will wring their hands and proclaim NAFALT! NAFALT! but won’t actually do anything about it.

    Such ideas are rather more the product of old-time gender roles.

    No. That is false. I grew up with old time gender roles, with 19th century people in my family. The only people who got hit were small children that needed a spanking. No adult in my family ever struck another adult in my family, ever. That was the old time gender role at work so far as I can see.

    It’s the chivalrous old male judge who is most likely to let the female offender off the hook.

    That’s the “white knight” mindset at work. Feminists and the white knights work well together, all too often. The white knights put women on a pedestal and refuse to admit what women are actually like, the feminists take advantage of that privilege…

  22. $10 says you get purposely misquoted to look like you like beating up women.

    [D: Good one! Although my greater fear was being mistaken for an abuser and added to some feminist’s friend list.]

  23. J says:

    @Anon

    The reason that those men who develop breast cancer are more likely to die than women are, and typically suffer more in treatment due to a later diagnosis is quite simple: “Everyone knows” that only women develop cancer of the breast.

    I know. It’s like how women die unnecessarily of heart attacks because “everyone knows”that estrogen protects women from them.

  24. J says:

    Doomed Harlot: Such ideas are rather more the product of old-time gender roles.

    Anon Rdr: No. That is false. I grew up with old time gender roles, with 19th century people in my family. The only people who got hit were small children that needed a spanking. No adult in my family ever struck another adult in my family, ever. That was the old time gender role at work so far as I can see.

    J: Wow, we have something in common. I grew too up with old time gender roles, with 19th century, fresh off the boat from the old country people in my family. The only people who got beaten unmercifully were all of my dads’s sisters by their husbands. No adult women in my father’s family was ever struck another adult in his family with anything that didn’t have a blunt edge, ever.

    That was the old time gender role at work so far as I can see.

  25. J says:

    @SW

    The idea of Roosh condemning someone’s hygiene is beyond laughable. When I watched the tour of his “crib”, i.e. Daddy’s basement, my gag reflex kicked in. I’m serious.

    Yeah, he did look rather greasy in that video. BTW, his “crib” is NOT located in his Daddy’s basement. Shame on you for implying that.😉 Truth is, Roosh has no Daddy. He lives with his mom and sister, I believe. This is certainly part of the problem.

  26. Höllenhund says:

    “Did you see the latest over there? Roosh or Jim Weidmann or whoever writes about dumping the perfect girl because of a bad vaginal odor because he “has options.” More likely, she left (if she even exists) because he did some thing crass.”

    I find it hilarious that the subject in this case is yet another double standard that disadvantages men and yet some women decide to steer the discussion away so that women can yet again be portrayed as victims. Hilarious, but not that surprising.

  27. Sagat says:

    I was attacked once by my ex-girlfriend. We were having an argument and I was sitting on the couch and she was standing up. I called her a spoiled bitch and she went into a rage and jumped on top of me and started pummeling me in the face. I upercutted her in the the chin and she fell to the ground in a heap, crying. A part of me felt bad, but I guess my tolerance for being punched repeatedly in the face is pretty low.

    Of course, she went and told all her friends that I was abusive and violent and I had to deal with the shunning of her bitchy, catty friends. Didn’t really bother me. All my friends knew she deserved it.

  28. My wife sometimes hits me. I hit her back, at the same level of force. I am training her not to hit me.

    Women are violent in intimate relationships. Only stupid people don’t know this.

    Men direct a lot of our violence at strangers. Women seem to need to know someone really well before they feel comfortable hitting him.

    A lot of women seem to think they are as strong as men. I don’t know where they get the idea that trading blows with a man is a good idea.

  29. Deansdale says:

    Freakin’ idiots, mistaking Roosh for Roissy… Unbelievable.
    You should at least figure out who is it you’re trying to smear.

  30. If that post is written by Roissy, he needs to get out of the biz. It’s poorly written, boring, pointless and utterly lacking in sophistication or humor. That’s not the Roissy we’ve come to know and love, is it?

  31. Badger Nation says:

    Susan,

    “That’s not the Roissy we’ve come to know and love, is it?”

    It has long been suspected (sometimes through vague comments by the poster himself) that the Chateau is now inhabited by several people, and that Roissy/CR is now a composite persona. I don’t know if this is correlated with the change of the blog’s name a while back. So when I read the site, I view it with a mild psychedelia – you never know who you’re really reading, or when the events documented actually occured.

    Roissy has admitted in the past that his writings are not to be taken as a chronologue (i.e. what he writes as if it happened last weekend could have been years ago). He’s described cocky-funny as a major influence, so between that and his volume of history he’s probably been in the game for a while.

  32. J says:

    @Sagat and David Collard,

    That’s really unhealthy and potentially dangerous. Maybe you guys and your SOs need to get a little help. I’m not trying to be snarky; violence can escalate quickly. No adult should ever hit another.

  33. J says:

    @Badger

    It has long been suspected (sometimes through vague comments by the poster himself) that the Chateau is now inhabited by several people, and that Roissy/CR is now a composite persona. I don’t know if this is correlated with the change of the blog’s name a while back.

    The “staff at the Chateau” is frequently referred to, and I concur that the name change from Roissy to Chateau/CR does reflect that.

    Did you see my comments about “Knocked Up” in response to yours? I’m curious about your input.

  34. Anonymous Reader says:

    The reason that those men who develop breast cancer are more likely to die than women are, and typically suffer more in treatment due to a later diagnosis is quite simple: “Everyone knows” that only women develop cancer of the breast.

    J
    I know. It’s like how women die unnecessarily of heart attacks because “everyone knows”that estrogen protects women from them.

    Heart attack symptoms in women are different from heart attack symptoms in men. But I understand your larger point, it fits in well with the Jezebel article: women are precious, men are expendable…

  35. J

    I am in a Catholic marriage of 25 years. A LOT of stuff has happened. Some very good, some very bad. I appreciate your concern, but I think I shall make my own judgements thanks.

    Also not trying to be snarky.

    My basic point stands: women hit men a lot in relationships. It is very common indeed. Sometimes they are girly little taps, sometimes a woman reaches for the frying pan. The latter is not funny at all, although society seems to find the idea a hoot.

  36. J says:

    Heart attack symptoms in women are different from heart attack symptoms in men. But I understand your larger point, it fits in well with the Jezebel article: women are precious, men are expendable…

    Wow, that’s quite a jump in logic there, Anon. I was pointing out that women are affected by medical mistakes based on stereotypes just as men are. I’m not sure how that leads you to believe that I find men expendable, but do feel free to continue arguing with whomever it is you imagine me to be.

    Speaking of Jezebel BTW, they picked up the McDonagh story. They find her dishonest and anti-feminist. Thought you’d want to know.

  37. J says:

    DC

    I am in a Catholic marriage of 25 years.

    Most of my wife-beater uncles could have said the same–not that it reflects on you necessarily.

    My basic point stands: women hit men a lot in relationships. It is very common indeed. Sometimes they are girly little taps, sometimes a woman reaches for the frying pan. The latter is not funny at all, although society seems to find the idea a hoot.

    Well, I don’t find it amusing when spouses hit each other, fwiw.

    Interestingly, despite the tone of this article on Jezebel, they (the post author and the majority of commenters) came down heavily on a woman who attempted to force a man into a sex act at knifepoint. Perhaps, it was the introduction of a weapon that made things seem more serious.

  38. Anonymous Reader says:

    Me
    Heart attack symptoms in women are different from heart attack symptoms in men. But I understand your larger point, it fits in well with the Jezebel article: women are precious, men are expendable…

    Wow, that’s quite a jump in logic there, Anon. I was pointing out that women are affected by medical mistakes based on stereotypes just as men are.

    Doesn’t look like it. Looks like the usual feminist “any bad thing affects women worse than men” routine.

    I’m not sure how that leads you to believe that I find men expendable, but do feel free to continue arguing with whomever it is you imagine me to be.

    You are a feminist, right? So men are by definition your oppressors…

    Speaking of Jezebel BTW, they picked up the McDonagh story. They find her dishonest and anti-feminist. Thought you’d want to know.

    Well, she’s a Catholic so Jezebeloids are pretty much required to hate her. Guess I’ll go see what else they have to say, in my spare time.

    Of course, this doesn’t change the fact that when MPT was proposed by a legislator, feminists opposed it. Funny how positions can shift when proposals change from blog discussions to actual legislation.

  39. Anonymous Reader says:

    David Collard
    Women are violent in intimate relationships. Only stupid people don’t know this.

    My basic point stands: women hit men a lot in relationships. It is very common indeed.

    Guess I’m stupid, my father was stupid, my mother was stupid, my grandfathers and grandmothers were stupid, my aunts and uncles were stupid. Because no one in my family, immediate or extended, did that to the best of my knowledge.

    Not one woman in any intimate relationship has ever been violent with me. Perhaps I was just lucky. Although if it had ever happened, that would have been the end of the relationship, very likely on the spot. I would have walked away, and never looked back at or said a single word to that woman ever again for the rest of my life. Frankly, never saw it in my neighborhood growing up. I was 18 or 19 years old when I found out that there really were men who struck their wives. I was older than that when I found out that there really were women who struck their husbands. A lot older. It was the death of Allen Wells that really brought that fact home to me.

  40. Lily says:

    “Women are violent in intimate relationships. Only stupid people don’t know this.”
    I must be stupid then.

    In all my years, I once slapped a boyfriend because I was *so* frustrated with what a git he was being. I was still horrified with myself afterwards.

    DV is not acceptable from either gender and at the risk of being stupid. I don’t accept it is a fact that women do it commonly. Or men for that matter.
    I did come across an old post of Roissy’s today via another blog which seems to advocate physical violence (and not in a sexy play way) from men to women though.

  41. Lily says:

    Anonymous Reader, could you kindly share some info/links on what you said ‘Of course, this doesn’t change the fact that when MPT was proposed by a legislator, feminists opposed it’? I’m not from the US so I may not be able to understand the context fully i.e. I don’t understand your country laws/state laws set up properly, but I’m still interested in the info for academic interest. Thanks!

  42. Anonymous Reader says:

    J:
    Doomed Harlot: Such ideas are rather more the product of old-time gender roles.

    What a stupid thing to say, given the fact that this thread connects directly with the oh so feminist Jezebel site where physical violence of women against men is being celebrated. Clearly, harming a man physically and/or emotionally is regarded as, like, rilly, rilly cool by the feminists at Jezebel, hardly a hotbed of traditional roles.

    Anon Rdr: No. That is false. I grew up with old time gender roles, with 19th century people in my family. The only people who got hit were small children that needed a spanking. No adult in my family ever struck another adult in my family, ever. That was the old time gender role at work so far as I can see.

    J: Wow, we have something in common. I grew too up with old time gender roles, with 19th century, fresh off the boat from the old country people in my family. The only people who got beaten unmercifully were all of my dads’s sisters by their husbands. No adult women in my father’s family was ever struck another adult in his family with anything that didn’t have a blunt edge, ever.

    That was the old time gender role at work so far as I can see.

    I have added emphasis in bold, to point to the obvious difference. “Fresh off the boat from the old country” indicates that you have confused the customs of European peasants with those of 19th century Americans. I know, I know, “Europe”, “America”, totally interchangeable WhiteMaleOppressors, sure, I’ve heard it before plenty of times. Don’t forget to use shaming language in your reply, and also make some remark about the size of body parts, that’s always a really impressive, intellectual, argument.

  43. Julie says:

    Color me stupid as well. Have never hit any of the men in my life and I don’t know of any women in my circle that consider DV an appropriate girly activity. Guess I was raised by wolves!

    David, I hope your kids don’t have to witness this.

  44. Julie

    I was mostly referring to light taps. Are you saying that women never hit men “in fun”, to emphasise a point?

    If my wife gives me a “playful” smack on the arm, I smack her back.

    The data show that women hit men in intimate relationships as often as vice versa. People just take it less seriously.

  45. Snark says:

    “I must be stupid then.

    In all my years, I once slapped a boyfriend because I was *so* frustrated with what a git he was being. I was still horrified with myself afterwards.”

    You were horrified with yourself? Oh no!

    In that case – it sounds like YOU are the victim!

    Also, I LOVE how you act ignorant of female intimate violence then flat out admit that you instigated the very same.

    Stupid is as stupid does.

  46. Snark says:

    “Color me stupid as well. Have never hit any of the men in my life and I don’t know of any women in my circle that consider DV an appropriate girly activity.”

    Well, if none of the women YOU PERSONALLY KNOW think it’s fun to hit men, I GUESS IT SIMPLY DOESN’T HAPPEN.

  47. Lily says:

    @Snark

    Perhaps you should take your blinkers off before you read and comment.

    Domestic violence obviously does happen (and is unacceptable in either gender). One only needs to read the newspapers, watch the tv etc etc, or even read the post on Jezebel.

    I did not say I was ignorant of DV happening, I was disputing another poster’s assertion that it was *common* for women to hit men. See the distinction?

    And I never said I was a victim in the scenario I outlined. I mentioned how I felt afterwards only because I knew it was an unacceptable thing to do. If I’d wanted to play the victim, I would have shared something else that happened in my life which I don’t want to.

    You’re reading what you want to, not what’s actually said.

  48. Julie says:

    Hey Snark! Lower your guns.

    What Lily said – correct.
    Yeah I know SOME women, probably way too many, hit their boyfriends/husbands, and it’s not cute or okay just because a girl does it. David’s comment, as I interpreted it, made it seem like a casual, common, no big deal thing. I think people, esp. women, speaking out against it, even just on these blogs, is the right thing to do.

    If I got it all wrong, David, I apologize. I do know the difference between cuddly “wrestling” and angry “tapping,” pinching, smacking, etc. and the latter is just plain wrong; it can escalate into hardcore violence.

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  50. Gunslingergregi says:

    ”””””All those men have to do is visit CR and read accounts of how SE Asian women “love the drama” of being slapped”””””””””’

    Who the fuck ever said se asian woman love being slapped?

    Unless your talking on the ass spanking fucktard.

  51. J says:

    I wasn’t referring to you, Greg.

  52. J says:

    And BTW, Greg, I’d if I were you I’d curb my dirty mouth and go home and take my meds. I think you’re a little paranoid.

  53. J says:

    @Anon,

    Don’t forget to use shaming language in your reply, and also make some remark about the size of body parts, that’s always a really impressive, intellectual, argument.

    I’ve never made reference to body part size, but pls do continue to enjoy pretending that if arguing with your fantasy of me makes you happy.

    And as long as we are discussing style of argument, your over-extension of your own personal experience here: Guess I’m stupid, my father was stupid, my mother was stupid, my grandfathers and grandmothers were stupid, my aunts and uncles were stupid. Because no one in my family, immediate or extended, did that to the best of my knowledge. is what the manosphere generally regards as female solipsism.

  54. J says:

    AR:Heart attack symptoms in women are different from heart attack symptoms in men. But I understand your larger point, it fits in well with the Jezebel article: women are precious, men are expendable…

    J:Wow, that’s quite a jump in logic there, Anon. I was pointing out that women are affected by medical mistakes based on stereotypes just as men are.

    AR:Doesn’t look like it. Looks like the usual feminist “any bad thing affects women worse than men” routine.

    J:I’m not sure how that leads you to believe that I find men expendable, but do feel free to continue arguing with whomever it is you imagine me to be.

    AR:You are a feminist, right? So men are by definition your oppressors…

    J: You called me a feminist. I said that back in 1977, I was a proponent of “equal pay for equal work.” You ran with that ball in what I would consider an inaccurate direction, but again feel free to imagine me as whatever you’d like. I personally do not feel much much oppressed by men or that they are expendable, but I am still notsure why that obligates me to agree with you that McDonagh (the original subject of our debate before you decided to go ad hominem) is a feminist.

    J:Speaking of Jezebel BTW, they picked up the McDonagh story. They find her dishonest and anti-feminist. Thought you’d want to know.

    AR:Well, she’s a Catholic so Jezebeloids are pretty much required to hate her. Guess I’ll go see what else they have to say, in my spare time.

    J: Well, don’t hurry over there to confuse yourself with the facts. BTW, I doubt it’s her Catholocism per se that is at issue; it’s her stance on abortion and the rest of the feminist agenda. I’d say that she disagrees with enough of the feminist agenda to not –wait for it–actually be a feminist.

  55. Anonymous Reader says:

    Me:
    Don’t forget to use shaming language in your reply, and also make some remark about the size of body parts, that’s always a really impressive, intellectual, argument.

    I’ve never made reference to body part size,

    It is a standard feminist trope. Since you have already deployed another standard feminist trope on a different thread, it seems to be only a matter of time before you drag out another one.

    J
    And as long as we are discussing style of argument, your over-extension of your own personal experience here: Guess I’m stupid, my father was stupid, my mother was stupid, my grandfathers and grandmothers were stupid, my aunts and uncles were stupid. Because no one in my family, immediate or extended, did that to the best of my knowledge

    That was a reply to David Collard, as should be obvious from the quote that preceded the remark, a quote that began with the name of the person I was replying to.

    is what the manosphere generally regards as female solipsism.

    Uh, no. That’s really not correct. Your insistence that my reply to David Collard somehow is really All About You, on the other hand…

  56. Anonymous Reader says:

    J
    J: You called me a feminist. I said that back in 1977, I was a proponent of “equal pay for equal work.”

    No, that is not correct. You wrote in this comment:
    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2010/10/31/romance-as-a-form-of-male-investment/#comment-2391
    What I have personally works out just great for me, but my feminism is the feminism of 1977 or so.

    “My feminism is the feminism of 1977 or so” is the kind of statement that is made by a feminist, isn’t that the case?

    You ran with that ball in what I would consider an inaccurate direction, but again feel free to imagine me as whatever you’d like.

    Also incorrect. I pointed out to you that there was more to “1977 feminism” than just equal pay for equal work, there was a much larger agenda. Some of it is now law. Your cafeteria “NAFALT” approach may feel like plausible deniability to you, but it’s not plausible to those of us who were men in 1977, and recall what feminists were saying at that time. The historical facts are not changed merely because you don’t like them. The history matters, because much of what is being discussed at this site has to do with the actual effects of the last 35 years or so of cultural changes. Prominent among those changes are the effects of feminism.

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