Location of Alphas, Betas, and Omegas on Monogamy-Hypergamy Continuum

I put this together and thought I would post it for reader feedback.  Where on the continuum is each group most likely to show up?  Does this look right?  Any changes you would suggest?

Location of Alphas and Betas on monogamy-hypergamy continuum

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18 Responses to Location of Alphas, Betas, and Omegas on Monogamy-Hypergamy Continuum

  1. (R)Evolutionary says:

    Dalrock,

    This new annotated version makes more sense than the first one. A couple of nits to pick, hopefully to help you improve it. Take it with a grain of salt, realizing that I understand the principles and theory of some complex calculus, such as area under the curve, power laws, etc.

    1. First, I think you’ve got the horizontal axes flipped. If prostitution represents the nadir or lack of female sexual choice, i.e. she can’t chose her johns ’cause she’s gotta get paid, it should be on the far left. It really doesn’t matter, I’m accustomed to reading graphs like this from left to right, like usual prose reading.

    2. the curve itself probably needs to be an exponential or at least geometric progression, instead of this concave-topped bell curve. A true polygamous (polygynous is probably a better term) situation requires a higher level of total male investment, as anyone who’s ever juggled MLTR/PUA harem situations can attest. If, however your graph indicates male investment per female, then the distribution you’ve got works, sort of. I don’t see a polygamous situation dropping back down into beta range. The average beta gets chewed up & spit out by one woman, much less multiple wives, especially today.

    3. Finally, and this one is much more subjective–the MLTR/PUA harem situation probably needs to go right beneath the true polygynous/polygamous scenario, since the day-to-day reality of investment of time in harem management isn’t going to be much different–less only in that the polygamous has the harem under one roof. Come to think of it, the MLTR/PUA harem might become the top bar, thinking logistically.

    Keep up the great work, I dig your blog.

  2. dalrock says:

    Hi (R)Evolutionary,

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts, and I’m really glad you enjoy the blog.

    I’ll start by saying that I know the above chart isn’t perfect. I had to resist analysis paralysis in order to get it out the door. Otherwise I probably could ponder the darn thing for a year or so. So I erred on the side of kicking it out so it would start a discussion. I think the basic concept is strong, but it does need some fine tuning. Any blogger who wants to take their own crack at this should post a comment here and I’ll gladly send them my raw stuff to use as their own starting point.

    I also think that this chart is essentially what most men have in their minds even if they don’t articulate it. They see a tradeoff that perhaps many women aren’t fully aware of as they make choices. So just helping men express this and women think this way should be of value in and of itself.

    If prostitution represents the nadir or lack of female sexual choice, i.e. she can’t chose her johns ’cause she’s gotta get paid, it should be on the far left.

    I think it gets a little weird at both extremes, not unlike trying to chart left vs right politically. Towards the right end of the graph it probably makes sense to think of the X axis as sluttiness. The next sluttier step from craigslist sex would be to start selling it. Ironically this probably also fits with the radical feminist sense of female sexual liberation.

    If, however your graph indicates male investment per female, then the distribution you’ve got works, sort of.

    Both axis represent the experience from the female perspective. If you are sharing a man with another (or more than one other) woman, he is investing less in you. I struggle with whether the chart should show PUA harems as higher or lower investment (again from the woman’s perspective) than outright polygamy. In the former there is no long term commitment but because of that he has to keep gaming her, etc. Being gamed (gamed well at least) would be seen as a form of male investment. This is why I show craigslist at the very bottom. She doesn’t even get gamed. For the later it officially only exists in the context of societies like Saudi Arabia, so I’m assuming there is less investment and even the theoretical long term commitment is iffy when all the husband has to say is the word “divorce” three times in a row to divorce her.

    I don’t see a polygamous situation dropping back down into beta range.

    This wasn’t my intent. Maybe I wasn’t clear enough with the labeling. I see that as Alpha by definition.

  3. vasafaxa says:

    Is the ideal for most men really a long term Harem?

  4. (R)Evolutionary says:

    @ Dalrock.. I’ll have to consider your graph more.. you’re right, it’s a challenge. But I’m convinced it can be done, and this is a good start.
    @Vasafaxa,

    Well–most western men are enculturated away from this polygynous notion, but…ah, well.. it satisfies several of the male sociobiological imperatives: To have a variety of sexual partners, to have several women available to assist and collaborate with the domestic chores and childraising, it definitely strokes his ego to think of several women jockeying for his attentions…
    In short..
    Yes.
    But it’s obviously patently realistic, unless you’re a wealthy, land-owning Mormon in the backcountry of Utah.

  5. dalrock says:

    Let me know if you want me to email you the base files I used. They are pretty simple (spreadsheet with graph, image files), but they might help speed up your process if you want to make your own version. I think this is the sort of thing that would benefit from competing views. As I said I’d be happy if other bloggers picked this up too and did it their own way.

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  8. Gorbachev says:

    @Vasa,

    A harem of hot women is every man’s dream. Any man who says no is indoctrinated. If offered, men will take it.

    A lot of women won’t take a life of multiple concurrent partners. What many women will do is pick the lead male from these.

    But there are men, of course, who want one really good woman.

    And some who want one really good woman, … at a time.

    But who doesn’t want a harem?

  9. Chili says:

    Prostitution is not a choice for the vast majority of prostitutes. A large percentage of adult prostitutes start out as children who are forced into it somehow, and usually through trafficking. Pimps keep their girls from leaving through various combinations of coercion and violence. Men who frequent prostitutes do basically whatever disgusting thing comes to their head to her because in their eyes she is not a person. The life of a prostitute is a vicious cycle of rape, physical abuse, and often drug abuse as well.

    I don’t know if this part of your little chart was supposed to be facetious, but you can’t possibly seriously think that prostitution has anything to do with choice at all, at least for 99.99% of these women.

  10. dalrock says:

    I already answered this question in reply to (R)Evolutionary above.

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  12. Anonymous age 68 says:

    I think you are saying things which are not substantiated by reality. There has been a lot of investigation over my lifetime, which indicates most prostitutes are there by choice. I would say bad choice, of course, but choice. Sometimes a choice linked to other bad choices, such as drug usage and the need for fast money to keep the habit. I realize it is very PC, especially in certain feminist circles, to portray them as victims of vicious slavery and trafficking, probably because out society wants to believe no woman can ever make a decision to do something wrong or disgusting. Anything bad any woman does MUST be found in some manner to be some mans’ fault. Enough already.

  13. Doug1 says:

    Chili–

    Prostitution is not a choice for the vast majority of prostitutes. A large percentage of adult prostitutes start out as children who are forced into it somehow, and usually through trafficking. Pimps keep their girls from leaving through various combinations of coercion and violence. Men who frequent prostitutes do basically whatever disgusting thing comes to their head to her because in their eyes she is not a person. The life of a prostitute is a vicious cycle of rape, physical abuse, and often drug abuse as well.

    I don’t know if this part of your little chart was supposed to be facetious, but you can’t possibly seriously think that prostitution has anything to do with choice at all, at least for 99.99% of these women.

    Feminist lying bullshiite.

    This is true of a tiny minority of internet (formerly specialty papers advertising) prostitutes, who make up most of them in the US. The great majority of even street prostitutes here could end their life if they wanted to. But they do often become drug addicts yes, based on the easy fast money, compared to most other jobs they could get.

  14. Doug1 says:

    vasafaxa says:

    Is the ideal for most men really a long term Harem?

    I think in the contemporary West a soft harem is more most player’s dream than a hard truly polygamous one.

    Hard polygamy is mostly about one alpha status male having a whole hell of a lot of children, and that’s incredibly expensive in today’s West, even for the very affluent. That’s before we even get to the potential horrors of applying current divorce 2.0 divorce theft overhang, should gay marriage lead to polygamy being legalized. After all there are lots of other ways of alpha males getting sexual variety.

    If he’s really madly sowing wild oats and isn’t that in love with any one of the girls he’s seeing, ideally he’ll tend to want a soft harem if he’s really good. Especially if he’s younger and has or makes a lot of time to game women. This might involve two or three girls in rotation, often one of which is more primary, with also time spent gaming for new girls for one night stands or replacement recruits. This would involve no pledges of exclusivity on his part, but one or two of the girls might be de-facto exclusive on theirs, particularly if they’re good or relatively good girls hoping this will grow into the real deal. Yeah this is mega time consuming. Though it can also be accomplished with tight day game. But it will still be real time consuming.

    If he’s got less time to bar or club hop or less inclination to, which is usually the case as he gets older, and is more into mutual love with the right girl, the ideal is likely to involve one committed relationship, which might become a live together one, where there’s mutual love and commitment. BUT ideally she lets him play some, implicitly or better explicitly, probably with some understandings or rules. That was more or less how it’s been in almost all civilizations for alpha males, especially successful ones, including in the West (whatever the Church’s formal position) until first wave feminism in the Anglosphere.

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  17. Opus says:

    I have always liked this chart (in its original version) and wonder (having pondered it much) whether in any future revision Dalrock would care to consider Doggers and Swingers. It seems to me that in those case the level of male investment is close to zilch and the level of female sexual access very high, although with Doggers (but less so with swinging) the woman gets little choice.

    Prostitution (and I am afraid I cannot agree with a word of what Chili said) is a somewhat different matter which somehow does not see to quite fit the graph. It is largely true that the woman gets little or no choice, but she does get male investment (her fee) and as Prostitutes are very well paid, seem to enjoy what they do and are getting to sleep with high-quality men – men who can at least afford the high charges and act the charming gentleman – at least they do round here.

    The trouble with the chart is that at the left and right extremes the woman seems to have little sense of her worth as a woman: the Harem woman will turn overnight into a Swinger – whereas a wife won’t.

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