Remaking the princess, evicting the prince.

Disney has a new television program about a young princess in training titled Sofia The First.  Nancy Kanter (Senior Vice President, Original Programming and General Manager, Disney Junior Worldwide) explained when announcing the series at the Huffington Post that as a feminist mother she originally had mixed feelings regarding her own daughter dressing up as a princess:

I would walk her to preschool, me in my power suit, she in fake tulle and little girl high heels that flapped from her feet as she teetered down West 72nd Street. I questioned just what I thought I was doing by allowing, maybe even encouraging her to aspire to this outdated, irrelevant role model. Born in a generation that invented “super-mom”, was I just crazy for not putting a stop to this and buying her a chemistry set and some hockey skates?

She eventually made peace with the idea, and is now in a position to use Disney programming like Sofia The First to rework the culture one 2-5 year old mind at a time.

Kids grow up so quickly, and it is important to ensure that whilst they are still developing they receive the right information and the right instructions about how to be a positive influence in society.

But not everyone agrees with Ms. Kanter regarding the right instructions for young minds.  Movieguide made news recently for pointing out that Disney’s new princess program promotes single motherhood:

SOFIA THE FIRST, Disney’s new pre-school princess on home video, doesn’t need a prince. She’s the daughter of a poor single mother who marries King Roland.

Clearly, the creators see a role for the media in shaping the social and moral values of 2- to 5-year-olds. It’s fine to promote honesty, grace and civility, but any message that undermines the traditional family is harmful. Children raised by their natural parents are far less likely to live in poverty, quit school, use drugs, commit crimes and spend time in prison. If Disney actually cares about the long-term well being of children, it would promote the traditional family rather than the “modern family.”

Movieguides stance against promoting single motherhood is impressive given that it runs counter to our new philosophy of the family as well as the mainstream Christian perspective.  As I’ve mentioned before, Focus On the Family’s Director of Family Formation Studies refers to single mothers as heroic. Not to be outdone, Pastor Mark Driscoll endorses single mothers as good prospects for marriage (H/T holyhandgrenadeofantioch):

Single guys: don’t overlook the single moms. Jesus’ mom was a single mom & it went pretty well for Joseph.

But the promotion of single motherhood isn’t the only social engineering going on with the modern princess tale.  Brothers Grimm tales about princesses like King Roughbeard and Cinderella taught girls humility and the importance of hard work (especially housework), while tales like The youth who could not shiver and shake taught boys the importance of bravery and perseverance.  But in our new culture self restraint and humility are traits girls are taught to reject, and there is no room for separate role models for boys.  Disneys new view of the princess is in many ways the old classical view of the prince, as exemplified by the movie Brave:

Toyota followed the same pattern of princess-as-warrior-prince in its 2013 Superbowl commercial for the Rav4:

All of this has gone so far that some feminists are starting to wonder if it has gone too far.  In her own Huffington Post article Raising a Son Within the Princess Culture feminist and single mother Dresden Shumaker worries that boys like her son are being squeezed out of the culture:

…a funny thing happened when I met my son — I started to realize how destructive girl power can be to boys.

But here is what I sadly realized: Within modern girl power, there seems to be a message that girls are better than boys. Boys are BAD. Boys are MEAN. Boys are silly, weak, stupid, clueless, rough.

Schumaker wholeheartedly embraces the gender neutral ideal of feminism, going so far as to dress her young son “W” in a frilly pink skirt (picture).  But her son hasn’t missed the message in his favorite shows:

W’s favorite tv show is “Sofia the First” on Disney Jr.

He watches each episode multiple (MULTIPLE) times to the point that he can recite most of the dialogue. A week ago, he snuggled into me and proclaimed, “boys are not nice.” I asked him which boy and he told me ALL boys. All boys are not nice. They are mean.

He was right. In almost every “girl triumphs” story there is a slew of “mean boys.” Or there are boys that have to be told to be kind.

None of this is new, and it stems from the feminist denial of sex differences and their overpowering envy of manhood.  Still, it has become so obvious that even radical feminists can start to see the damage their extensive rework of our culture is doing to their sons.  Ironically all of this has also left something missing in the sex lives of feminist women, as the Huffington Post article Single Moms (And Other Strong Women) Need Alpha Males explains (H/T GBFM).

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275 Responses to Remaking the princess, evicting the prince.

  1. When you’ve lost Disney…

  2. 3rd Millenium Men says:

    Ook ook eek eek.

  3. donalgraeme says:

    So feminism tells us that there is no room for Prince Charming anymore? So be it. If that kind of prince is unacceptable, then we men must become another type of Prince entirely.

  4. I had a prof in college who taught sociology. She told us that depictions of black young men in movies and TV doing criminal and violent things caused black youths to identify that behavior as black and choose to adopt it. Rather than pointing out racial crime stats didn’t bear that out and that TV was a good deal more PC than she imagined it, I took a different route. I asked her if she thought that the numerous and manifold depictions of men raping and perpetrating sexual violence on TV and in movies exonerated them from their behavior because they were just adopting behavior that was modeled for them on TV. Hamster kicked in and I don’t remember whatever nonsensical explanation she stuttered out.

    That said, I don’t think the TV creates the culture. The culture creates the TV. Little boys don’t feel disposable and rotten because the TV or movies tell them so. TV and movies tell the story that men are disposable and rotten because that is what our society (at least the loudest elements) chant day in and day out. We live in a world where feminine=good (unless it’s feminine standards for women….sexist) and masculine=bad. Art and entertainment is merely beginning to trace the writing on the walls for all to see.

  5. Joshua_D says:

    If I came home, and my wife had put a pink skirt on one of my boys, I might hit a woman. I don’t think I would, but I’d probably be tempted.

  6. sally1137 says:

    What feminists need to do is selectively abort boy babies. That way they don’t have to deal with the nasty, rough little fellows. Of course, they were apparently dealing with their dads at some point to get a nasty boy baby in the first place. Maybe they need to just go full lesbian. Problem solved. \sarc off.

  7. Dude says:

    This is what awaits when they finally face reality;

    http://singleinbaltimore.wordpress.com

    Reading the misery of that aging slut should alarm the princesses.

  8. sunshinemary says:

    We were just talking yesterday on my site about the literature that is aimed at girls now. The female characters essentially ape boys. They are strong, tough, fearless warriors. Katniss anyone? And it’s not just The Hunger Games, either. Even books aimed at younger children, for example The Paper Bag Princess, show girls as strong, tough problem solvers and boys as weak and useless.

  9. sunshinemary says:

    For example, the two main characters from The Paper Bag Princess are, according to Wikipedia:

    Princess Elizabeth: A brave, smart and resilient young woman, Elizabeth’s quest to save Ronald from the dragon shows her how unworthy Ronald is of her loyalty and affection.

    Prince Ronald: Ronald is revealed to be a narcissistic and selfish prince. He has picked Elizabeth for his queen, even though he does not really love her. When the dragon attacks the castle and kidnaps him, Elizabeth goes to great lengths to rescue him, but he does not appreciate the love she has shown him. Elizabeth realizes that he is a shallow, conceited jerk and they part.

    This book is beloved by elementary school teachers and is regularly used as part of a literature unit around second or third grade (I used to be a teacher).

  10. On the other book end you have Scott Baio and “See Dad Run” on Nick at Night. I was not surprised to read that Baio said, of his 5 year old:

    I kind of get a sense of [her growing up] now,” he tells Babble exclusively. “She would hold my hand everywhere, and now she pushes it away. I go, ‘Really? You’re pushing my hand away?’ It’s amazing how quick they want their independence, and I don’t blame them.”

    since he triples down on playing a flippin’ idiot on the show, showing, you know, dads are slobbering morons and stuff.

  11. Lovekraft says:

    A culture that produces something like a Nancy Pelosi, Rosie O’Donnell, Roseanne Barr etc etc will continue to push the lies in order to cover its tracks. Does anyone think someone like Maria Ciccone (aka Madonna) will come out and admit that her worldview was harmful and she will start to correct her past mistakes? If she or someone else of importance did so, the media would circle the wagons, her sponsors would clearly explain the damage it would do to her standard of living, and she would have to begin to deal with real life.

    So instead, they may look themselves in the mirror briefly and tell themselves they are justified. (what;s more likely is that one of their handlers would serve as their mirror). They will fade into obscurity like many before them, surrounded by …what?

    We in society who observe this behavior are not complicit in this charade, insofar as we do not actively support the ideology. Rather, we are being pulled along by forces more powerful than us and the best thing to do is to not lament its passing.

  12. That said, I don’t think the TV creates the culture. The culture creates the TV.

    I might be inclined to agree with this, but the media’s influence is absurdly powerful. Without its corrupting influence I’m relatively certain we’d have a different President right now.

  13. PSheridan says:

    sally1137…”What feminists need to is selectively abort boy babies…”

    They are already doing that. See Caitlin Moran’s “How to be a Woman” in which she describes aborting her son, followed by “my two girls are all I want”…this was mentioned in the Spearhead not long ago. It gets quite a few good reviews, and is ranked #2,800 on Amazon; #20 in Gender Studies.

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  15. Sexual Marxist says:

    “It’s fine to promote honesty, grace and civility, but any message that undermines the traditional family is harmful. Children raised by their natural parents are far less likely to live in poverty, quit school, use drugs, commit crimes and spend time in prison. ”

    You might be surprised to learn how many otherwise pretty smart people DO NOT make this connection.
    I can’t tell you the amount of single parents I know who are constantly complaining about their financial struggles and yet don’t say a word about how their divorce or their never married status contributed.

    A few times I sort of hinted and they either look at me confused or completely scoff at the idea of staying with their ex-spouse or baby daddy/baby mama and combining the two incomes and sharing house, even if not bed.

  16. Sexual Marxist says:

    “So feminism tells us that there is no room for Prince Charming anymore? So be it. If that kind of prince is unacceptable, then we men must become another type of Prince entirely.”

    Men should start making movies and shows about strong, independent Princes who “don’t need no Princess”

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  18. Dr. Eric Stratton says:

    I have to partially defend ” Brave.” The protagonist in the movie almost destroys her family by following her heart. It’s not till she is humbled that she is able to repair the situation. She is a tomboy, but it’s primarily because she so idolizes her father. By the end of the film, she’s following her mother and preparing for marriage.

    The main problem with “Brave” is that it’s boring.

  19. slwerner says:

    Dr. Eric Stratton – “The main problem with “Brave” is that it’s boring.”

    I’d have to disagree. The bigger issue I have is that portrays Merida’s male peers and stumbling bumbling dim-witted fools. I have no problem with portraying a girl as a smart over-achieving tom-boy, but to make all her male peers so much less capable is further reinforcing the meme that girls are just plain better than boys – at everything.

  20. WillBest says:

    Why isn’t Child Services being called in to save W from his mom who clearly has no idea how to raise a boy. The kid has clearly been psychologically damaged by his mom’s subtle if not overt hatred for men.

  21. Sexual Marxist says:

    ” I have no problem with portraying a girl as a smart over-achieving tom-boy”

    Tom-boy is exclusively associated with smart this could be problematic.

    There is also no contradiction between liking princess stuff and chemistry or sports as this confused mother seems to think;
    “I questioned just what I thought I was doing by allowing, maybe even encouraging her to aspire to this outdated, irrelevant role model. Born in a generation that invented “super-mom”, was I just crazy for not putting a stop to this and buying her a chemistry set and some hockey skates?”

    Kids contain multitudes. They can do it all.

  22. sunshinemary says:

    We don’t have TV at our house or go to a lot of movies, so I’m not that familiar with the Disney stuff, but the more I think about it, the more I realize that the literature aimed at girls really exemplifies what Dalrock noted in this post.

    What is particular interesting is that classic boys’ stories are being rewritten with a girl in the place of the boy’s character. One of my daughters just finished reading some of the Rowan Hood series. Essentially, Robin Hood’s character is recast as a girl – of course, she’s a tough cookie and a leader of men who are too wussified to lead themselves. And it’s just interesting, too, because it fits in with Dalrock’s Long March of Envy post.

    The authoresses of these books don’t seem to want girls to just be like boys; it’s as if they want girls to be boys and eschew anything that girls might traditionally like or be good at. In order for girls to be boys, though, they have to make it look like boys are too femmie to get boy-jobs done anymore, so the girls are just going to have to man-up and do the job themselves.

  23. Dr. Eric Stratton says:

    slwerner – The father, triplets, and most of the adults men were solid. The princes were bumbling, but that’s not odd for teenage boys. The one prince was handsome and chiseled, just not good at archery. The big one was a brawler. Dingwall, well, we all went to school with one of him.

  24. Myrrdin says:

    Me talking to (celtic) friend:

    So, her speech can be summarized as “I now realize that it was wrong of me to give you all the finger, and to apologize, I’ll be giving you the finger some more. ” And they buy it.

    Friend: That would be a valid criticism… If they weren’t Scots.

    Brave is exceptionally well made weaksauce. Merida’s dad is somehow simultaneously smart enough to carry his daughter’s side of a conversation with his wife both accurately and hilariously, and yet completely incapable in all respects from that moment on.

  25. donalgraeme says:

    @ SSM

    “…it’s as if they want girls to be boys and eschew anything that girls might traditionally like or be good at.”

    Spot on. It is the Curse of Eve in action. Women adore masculinity, they thirst after it. Women chase after bad-boy alphas because they appear to have it in spade. I think that masculinity acts as a sort of drug to women; they can never really get enough. When you combine this thirst with a powerful Hamster, what you get is this logical rationalization:

    If I become more like a man, then I will be able to enjoy for myself this wonderful feeling that is masculinity, without having to get it through some pesky male.

    Then they, because they are loving and caring moms, want their daughters to enjoy this too, and so encourage their daughters to act like men, and squash any feminine nature that shows itself. Never mind the damage they do to men/boys in the process, or even the long term consequences for their daughters; what matters is that they (women) feel good in the here and now.

    Truly, this is the handiwork of the Evil One in action.

  26. sunshinemary says:

    My Heart Hearts Hearting

    Oh, Frank. How many a-hole pua interventions does one man need? You didn’t get beat up a lot in high school by any chance, did you??

  27. slwerner says:

    Dr. Eric Stratton – “The father, triplets, and most of the adults men were solid.”

    True, but the target audience was children 6-16, thus, that Merida had no true (male) peers is where the real issue lies for me.

    And, as I recall, most of the men were drunk and getting into fights over anything and everything. A good example for impressionabile boys to aspire to?

  28. Casey says:

    This is just more rhetoric from the “anything boys can do, girls can do better” crowd.

    There is now a charity that panders SPECIFICALLY to sponsoring a GIRL. “Because I am a Girl.ca”. Seriously, check it out.
    NOTED EXCERPT: “Feed a girl, and she’ll feed everyone around her”.
    What hypocritical, feminist CLAPTRAP!

    If you didn’t get the message, it is this: “Women good, Men bad”
    So much so, let’s stop giving to charities that might inadvertantly send cash in a boys direction.

    To the extent that we now have charities promoting this nonsense underscores the real problem:
    Boys (Men) are now viewed as expendable.

  29. Hopeful says:

    “That said, I don’t think the TV creates the culture. The culture creates the TV.”

    What exactly is culture?

  30. Stingray says:

    Dr. Statton,

    The father also deferred to the mother, for the most part as well. He was portrayed as tough as the situation warranted, but silly compared to the mother. I don’t recall any of the princess being handsome at all. I do remember one strapping prince who was prime alpha that made Merida’s eyebrow raise, only to have him sit down and have the real (funny looking) prince stand up in his place. Basically, the message was, if the handsome man was actually a prince, she would have had NO problem being forced to marry that one.

    The message about her and her mother was a good one, I thought. As a tom-boy myself, I didn’t mind the girl good at boy stuff at all. But the princes and even the heads of the other counties were portrayed as silly. They were admittedly entertaining, but not masculine.

  31. Oh, Frank. How many a-hole pua interventions does one man need? You didn’t get beat up a lot in high school by any chance, did you??
    How’d you know it was me? I’m totally being anonymous here.

  32. davidvs says:

    Has Disney made any good movies for 3-5 year old boys during the past 25 years?

  33. slwerner says:

    davidvs – “Has Disney made any good movies for 3-5 year old boys during the past 25 years?”

    Cars, Monsters Inc., and even The Lion King were decent. I watched The Lion King many times with my son, and I’ve seen the other two many times with my grandson. Still some good “male attributes” highlighted in those 3.

  34. davidvs, that’s why they brought out Marvel and Star Wars. Those two alone make them so much profit they can afford to make hundreds of millions in losses on princess crap.

  35. Ehm, just for fun but, didn’t the ‘female car’ in CARS have a tramp stamp?

  36. Dr. Eric Stratton says:

    I’m of the opinion that women had a great deal of behind the scenes power in old school patriarchy.

    The one who smashed his bow after failing to hit the target and who seemed modeled on ” Braveheart” was the movie’s version of the popular jock.

    I’m am outlier in these parts. I don’t worry too much about such things. The wife and I are the antidote to silly movies. I understand why others differ, it’s just not a battle that I fight.

  37. Jeremy says:

    Single guys: don’t overlook the single moms. Jesus’ mom was a single mom & it went pretty well for Joseph.

    To any woman who would say this::
    When your reproductive system spits out the son of god, don’t worry, I’ll call you. In fact If that ever happens, don’t hesitate to insist to the nearest available law enforcement officer that I AM NOT the father, even if we haven’t laid eyes on each other in a decade. If Joseph had to deal with the legal and media system we have today, he would likely have federal agents following him around simply for being the only assignable father of a revolutionary. And just so you don’t think you’re going to drag me on to an episode of Maury and have blood tests doctored up to make me look like the biological father of Jesus Christ, I swear I will blaspheme in front of the son of god and then commit suicide to ensure that I go to hell as a vacation from the divorce system you’ll undoubtedly put me through later on.

    Now, to be fair, I’m sure the ladies obviously don’t mean that their reproductive systems were chosen to bear the physical form of a living god. To think otherwise is to invite a level of girl-crazy not seen since, well, ever. However, it’s beyond laughable to attempt to use a story of a woman who had no choice in getting pregnant as a method of shaming men who have made no such poor choices into marrying women who have poor judgement in general.

    And yes, if you are a single mother due to anything other than spousal death, make no mistake in what I am saying. You have made a poor choice, you have chosen poorly, you made a MISTAKE, and the consequences are what you are dealing with in raising children alone. You have my sympathy in your plight, but that’s as far as it goes. I am under no obligation to bail you out of your poor choice, deal with it. I will gladly reward the women who while perhaps not as attractive, at least managed to recognize reality before reaching adulthood. There are women around who don’t make the mistakes you made, who naturally value a man in their lives from the beginning, and those women will always be in much higher demand than you, period.

    What is amazing is how easy single mothers have it these days, and they’re still sooo unHAAAPY. They must have no clue whatsoever how hard single moms had it in, say, the 1860s. I’m sure back then they were basically all forced to surrender their kid to a convent and pretend it never happened. These days there’s so much government assistance to make up for your mistake, you need to stop complaining and go buy a sybian and STFU.

    I just hope someday that I can avoid paying any taxes to support single mothers by choice. I hope someday there’s a checkbox where I can say, “none of my tax dollars allowed to be used on single mothers.” That way there’s more money that I can save and properly invest for the time that I actually want to start a family. Instead of dumb mothers stealing my hard created utility to pay for their mistakes and then still complaining and attempting to shame me about the lack of romance available to a failure, I will be spending it on a family with two parents, ensuring that my kids will likely *ALWAYS* out do your kids. Yeah, the truth hurts, single moms, and I’m sure your life is a horrible meat grinder. Don’t worry too much about your kids, the world always needs ditchdiggers, at least until my kids invent robots to replace them.

    /anger off

  38. The authoresses of these books don’t seem to want girls to just be like boys; it’s as if they want girls to be boys and eschew anything that girls might traditionally like or be good at. In order for girls to be boys,

    Not just TV, as you say. Walk the shelves of recent bestsellers, most are female authors with CSI type stuff. Then the men who seem to rotate through the shelves with cop and espionage fiction are running either female protagonists, or inserting a female tough in the mix. In fact, i read the latest Baldacci pulp fiction last weekend, and was going to cc a paragraph from the early pages and make a post.

    In it, the male lead describes two beat cops who approach him, weapons drawn. One cop, he describes all the sloppiness, bad stance, poor grip on gun, eyes looking at the wrong things, and the other textbook perfect, balance blah blah….the good one was the girl, and she goes on to be a real ass kicker…or course. At least she didn’t bed the protagonist. I truly cannot stand it anymore. I had a blog entry about Justin Cronin who wrote a decent post apocalyptic book a few years ago called “The Passage”, and in an interview when he was talking about the sequel he said his motive was his little girl saying “daddy, please write a book that proves girls can do cool things too”

    Up is down….so forth

  39. Matthew King says:

    Referring to Holy Mary Theotokos as a “single mom” is a repulsive blasphemy. “All generations will call me blessed,” not the punchline to some corrupt pastor’s witless joke.

    To analogize the typical circumstances of single motherhood to those of Mary Immaculate is to expose a fake priest’s fake fealty to a fake faith. No reverence, no veneration, no solemnity anymore, even among supposed men of the cloth. Everything must be fashioned into a shitty soundbite. To hell with imposters, to hell with pious frauds, to hell with him.

    Matt

  40. JoeS says:

    Most sports, are for most women, a complete waste of time. For women to participate in sports serves an ideological purpose. It also gives them proximity to male athletes. Just as careers give them proximity to higher ranking males. Now certainly there are feminine sports that are good recreation and exercise, and that befit the role of the female. That is not what drives things like Title IX or Olympic sports for women. Those things are about pretending to physical equality. It’s about envy of the male role. And it is generally harmful and destructive to women. A real huntress type is 1 in 10,000. Women should not be participating in anything like the amount of sports they are participating in. It is clearly harmful and stupid.

  41. JoeS says:

    Excessive sport harms their reproductive systems and fiercely competitive sport damages their femininity.

  42. Jason says:

    Speaking of gender-swapping in stories and TV..

    Has anyone seen the H+ web series that Spielberg produced last year? The first season of it anyway. It’s pretty good, except for one horrible thing. There’s a couple of Swedish characters – a hacker and a cop. The hacker is a blonde woman, who throughout behaves like an alpha male – aloof, picking up men in bars, competent, violent, dominant. The cop throughout behaves like a woman.

    I suspect some womyn got a hold of the script at the last minute and simply swapped the genders. It’s the only way the writing makes sense. It’s pretty disgusting and a bit painful to watch, honestly.

    @davidvs: Great essay.

  43. ar10308 says:

    Disagree. Strongly.
    The only reason homosexuality has become so accepted by the youth is through tv shows like Glee portraying them as happy, well-adjusted people rather than the psychological messes they mostly are.

  44. Sexual Marxist says:

    “Single guys: don’t overlook the single moms. Jesus’ mom was a single mom & it went pretty well for Joseph.”

    Single guys don’t overlook single moms, even the not so good ones, and therein lies the problem.

    Too many men are willing to date and bed single moms just because they look good and have demonstratable survival skills and nurturing abilities like knowledge of cooking. Whether or not the men who do this are good or bad intentioned, and whether or not the single mom is good or bad intentioned, when they break up and move on, which they inevitably do in 99% of cases, ITS THE KIDS WHO SUFFER.

    I shared on the other page my buddy who married a single mom, is completely happy with her and his step-kids as well as his own new biological baby that he recently had with her, but she very carefully vetted him as daddy and step-daddy material, and he very carefully vetted her, and they made a commitment and stuck to their guns.

    Keep in mind these are two very home and family oriented types. Not all single parents and the people who date them are like this.

    Think about who you are exposing your children to.

  45. A week ago, he snuggled into me and proclaimed, “boys are not nice.” I asked him which boy and he told me ALL boys. All boys are not nice. They are mean.

    In twenty years or so, we’re going to know whether it’s possible to make someone homosexual via environment. If the percentage of homosexual men suddenly jumps up drastically, it’s going to be obvious that they weren’t born that way, and it’s going to be hard not to notice that they tended to be raised by dominant single mothers. The evidence already points that way, but the numbers are too small to be overwhelming.

    This is like a massive social experiment of the sort you could never get funding to do in the lab: if we strip all positive male influences from a boy’s life and make him listen to a two-minutes-hate against men ten times a day, can we screw up his gender identity and give him lifelong emotional and sexual problems? Let’s watch!

  46. sunshinemary says:

    GBFM, that hymn just gave me goosebumps, I tell ya. You have a gift. Jackie Valasquez ain’t got nothin’ on you. :)

    On the Pastor Driscoll quote: for a while my husband (holyhandgrenadeofantioch) used to follow Mark Driscoll on Twitter, but when he saw that tweet, he unfollowed him in disgust.

  47. To any woman who would say this:: When your reproductive system spits out the son of god, don’t worry, I’ll call you. In fact If that ever happens, don’t hesitate to insist to the nearest available law enforcement officer that I AM NOT the father, even if we haven’t laid eyes on each other in a decade….

    Pure gold. I’m going to print this out and hang it on my Wall of Awesome.

  48. donalgraeme says:

    @ Cail

    “In twenty years or so, we’re going to know whether it’s possible to make someone homosexual via environment. If the percentage of homosexual men suddenly jumps up drastically, it’s going to be obvious that they weren’t born that way, and it’s going to be hard not to notice that they tended to be raised by dominant single mothers. The evidence already points that way, but the numbers are too small to be overwhelming. ”

    Given my understanding of the biology at play, probably not. It appears as though sexual preferences manifest themselves very early on in a child’s development, certainly by 4 or 5. However, I would never rule it out completely. When you mess around with someone’s environment enough, it can have a profound effect on core brain architecture. I can’t help but suspect that “if we strip all positive male influences from a boy’s life and make him listen to a two-minutes-hate against men ten times a day” there will be significant hormonal impacts which could cause permanent brain damage.

  49. Referring to Holy Mary Theotokos as a “single mom” is a repulsive blasphemy.

    Matt, you’ve never been so right. Preach it, brother.

  50. Asher says:

    @ Matt King

    I used to attend Mars Hill in Seattle. That bit about Mary being a single mother was disgusting and the first thing I thought when I saw the tweet. Glad I left.

  51. donalgraeme,

    My own guess is that it’s both. We’ve probably all known boys who just seemed light in the loafers, and it’s just who they are. I doubt it’s hereditary, because the math just doesn’t allow that, but there could be an infectious cause that strikes in the womb or at a very young age. On the other hand, we know that homosexuals are much more likely than the norm to have been raised by single mothers or been the victims of sexual abuse. I’ve heard psychologists say that they’ve never talked to a man with homosexual deviancy who was raised by a traditional, two-parent family without some sort of major dysfunction. So my guess is that it takes both: they’re born with leanings that way, but bad environment tips the scale.

    But the politically correct view today is that homosexuality (unlike anything else about us) is 100% determined at the moment of conception, and it would be a crime to try to alter it. So if half the boys raised by ball-busting single moms start turning up gay, that’s going to be a real problem for that worldview, even if their environment is only 50% of the explanation. Any environmental effect is a problem for them.

  52. WillBest says:

    “hundreds of millions in losses on princess crap.” – uh… the princess crap makes Disney hundreds of millions.

    “Has Disney made any good movies for 3-5 year old boys during the past 25 year”

    Anything Pixar has made besides Brave and the Incredibles? I also though Wreck-It-Ralph had a decent moral lesson in it.

  53. GKChesterton says:

    @Dr. Eric,

    I’ll have to join. I actually refused to watch the film for a while and the whole first half I felt vindicate…and then…

    She learns to (mostly) be a girl. I mean the dad isn’t even dumb in a Simpson’s sort of way. And while the boys are shown as foolish the father shows a natural cunning. Given the cultural climate Pixar films are models of restraint.

    @Donal,

    There is no serious evidence (that is twin studies that aren’t seriously flawed) that environment _isn’t_ a serious factor.

  54. P-U.A. Scammers says:

    Dalrock the worshipper at the altar of the Manosphere.

    Exhalting Game above Christ.

    Dalrock cannot serve both the Lord and the devil, he must give up Game for the Bible’s teachings.

    Either be a committed Christian or a committed devil worshipper! No mixing the two!

  55. S1AL says:

    A half-dozen studies have confirmed that homosexuality is not determined by genetics; chemical effects in the womb appear to be necessary but not deterministic (i.e. excessive estrogen wash, iirc). And absent/abusive fathers are a mainstay story for homosexuals, as is early sexual abuse (usually homosexual/pedophilia in nature).

    That said, there are also a number of indications that culture has a lot to do with it… look at the ancient Greeks.

  56. Sexual Marxist says:

    “In twenty years or so, we’re going to know whether it’s possible to make someone homosexual via environment.”

    Its possible to make someone bisexual via environment. Full on homo? I dunno.

  57. donalgraeme says:

    @ Cail and GKCHesteron

    I agree with Cail that a combination of environment and genetics is likely at at play. Neither one is completely determinative. However, I think that the environmental conditions which affect it are likely ones very early in a person’s development, before the age of 4 or 5. Again, I could be wrong. Unfortunately, as you have both pointed out, the PC culture makes serious scientific inquires in this area difficult.

  58. CrisisEraDynamo says:

    @ donalgraeme, Cail, and GKCHesteron

    Let’s get back on topic. :)

    Notice that in children’s shows, males who flirt are often denounced by either the girl or the main character — indeed, the cartoon Johnny Bravo used this as its entire premise, portraying the titular character as a jobless loser who lives with his mother.

    From here, boys are taught from an early age to be ashamed of their feelings toward girls.

  59. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    And, as I recall, most of the men were drunk and getting into fights over anything and everything.

    … They’re … SCOTSMEN. Don’t hate my heritage, man.

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  61. Sexual Marxist says:

    “… They’re … SCOTSMEN. Don’t hate my heritage, man.”

    You can have your “heritage”. Just because someone critiques its negative points doesn’t mean they “hate” it.

  62. alcestiseshtemoa says:

    This may be an exaggeration, but PC is everywhere in the mainstream media and the educational system, plus enforced in big multinational corporations and dominates the political class. There’s a reason Orwell’s 1984 talked about the thought police, double think and big brother.

    Sometimes the signaling is so pervasive, that it isn’t noticed and becomes part of the background. That’s the reason for the whole phenomenon of the whole “But I don’t call myself a feminist or don’t see myself as one…”, “We report unbiased TV news” or “How could they support that person?”. To them this is being normal and being “moderate”, that views expressed here are beyond the pale (and indeed they are beyond the pale, this is truly the fringe and outside of most places). That’s the entire point. Most nowadays have swallowed the norms, the ideology and the entire stuff without even noticing it.

    I started noticing this pattern of PC undertones in the last comic book movies even. The first Iron Man movie was good (despite filled with PC undertones, such as the implicit rant against evil weaponry), but the second one was so full of explicit/intense political correctness (e.g. two strong women, one of them became CEO due to Iron Man’s request and the other one was a butt kicking babe), that it was off-putting. In Thor, one of the Scandinavian gods was played by black dude (that’s deliberate miscasting). Even video games are becoming worse (see Mass Effect 3 for a glimpse, where “married” gays and Latinos are included in the story). This is giving not just to children, but to adults as well. Everyone, from babies to children to adults, swallows PC on a daily basis without realizing it.

    If one here can see these messages and signaling in films, imagine their experience. They don’t even know that they are being indoctrinated and would probably dismiss these observations as extreme or full of conspiracy theories.

  63. alcestiseshtemoa says:

    There’s a simultaneous double-speak/think of those who think “Enlightened liberal modernity has won, we are progressing, evolving, getting more autonomous, equal, democratic and we are relevant, we are the establishment and the power…” and at the same time thinking “We are under attack, the menace is out there to get us, we will lose, the boogeyman is out to get us, they have the power, they are the problem”.

  64. ahlstar says:

    If anybody here somehow thinks that The Dsiney Empire is the last bastion social decency, I would encourage even a small amount of research into them. There is a reason their former mouseketeers keep melting down in public. Even a study into Walt himself will churn up some rather troublesome revelations as to the not-humble beginnings of his kingdom. Push even further and you will be delving into some truly dark territory. What this post deals with is merely a symptom of a very sick, ever-growing evil corporation.
    For the love of God and your children, do not let them watch this stuff.

  65. ahlstar says:

    Confound it. Disney, not Dsiney.

  66. Miserman says:

    Still, it has become so obvious that even radical feminists can start to see the damage their extensive rework of our culture is doing to their sons.

    Do they truly see it as damage? Isn’t it simply teaching their sons according to their own beliefs? In the end it does not matter because they will destroy their own sons for the cause, lament it, but never come to a point of genuinely admitting they were wrong.

    And we all know that Brave is the fantasy feminist recasting of Braveheart, a movie where there were real men doing what real men do. I would be willing to bet it is on the banned list.

  67. Sexual Marxist says:

    I don’t like pc to be taken too far but I do like multiculturalism and diversity. Its given me more choices than what I grew up with. I never really “got” the culture I grew up in.

  68. Asher says:

    @ Sexual Marxist

    I never really “got” the culture I grew up in.

    This is due to the antinomian nature of post-modern philosophical liberalism. Culture is always about particularity, difference, and where the particular has been thoroughly conquered by the universal the result is the loss of all culture. There is noting to “get”; as someone once noted there is no “there”, there.

  69. Sexual Marxist says:

    Asher, I looked up antinomian and here’s what I got;
    “Antinomianism in Christianity is the belief that under the gospel dispensation of grace, moral law is of no use or obligation because faith alone is necessary to salvation”

    And nope. That’s not what I was talking about.

  70. Lyn87 says:

    GBFM, It’s a good thing I didn’t have my cup to my mouth when I read THE PRAYER OF THE REPENTANT SISTERHOOD OF DA SORE BUTTHOLEZ, or I would be mopping coffee off my keyboard. Pure gold.

    In other news, I’m not sure about the pink shirt thing. I just bought myself a retro pink shirt (with epaulets even) that looks kinda’ like one I had in the ’80’s. My octogenarian mother likes to sew and I had her chop the sleeves off and make cap sleeves out of them.

    Naturally I think I look great (cue the Dove – Real Beauty Parody: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8Jiwo3u6Vo). Equally naturally is the fact that my wife hates it – which is yet another reason to wear it. I find that it’s useful to deliberately do things that annoy her juuuuuuust a little bit. It’s all in good fun and I’d never be genuinely malicious to her, but occasionally flouting her stated preferences is good for keeping the correct frame. “Pink-shirt game” – so to speak.

  71. Marcus says:

    @ alcestiseshtemoa
    “Even video games are becoming worse (see Mass Effect 3 for a glimpse, where “married” gays and Latinos are included in the story). This is giving not just to children, but to adults as well. Everyone, from babies to children to adults, swallows PC on a daily basis without realizing it.”

    Gasp, what’s next? Asians?! It’s a video game with aliens! You’re trying too hard here.

  72. an observer says:

    Hey alcest,

    Havent seen im 3 yet, but all indications are that its jumped the shark. A review i read said that the film encompasses a journey in which tony stark ‘rediscovers his humanity.’

    His irritating humanist sidekick of course plays a big part in guiding him through this process.

    Pass the bucket. Quickly.

  73. Sexual Marxist says:

    “Even video games are becoming worse (see Mass Effect 3 for a glimpse, where “married” gays and Latinos are included in the story). ”

    Well, Latinos do exist, you know.

    “THE PRAYER OF THE REPENTANT SISTERHOOD OF DA SORE BUTTHOLEZ”

    See here for the medical “side effects” of anal sex;

    http://survivingdating.com/day-12-40-days-of-rain-on-dbr-black-men-demanding-anal-sex

  74. alcestiseshtemoa says:

    Marcus, it isn’t a joke. Feminists have invaded video games too. One can always google “video game rape culture” to sneak a small peek…

    Here’s an activist —> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Sarkeesian#Kickstarter_campaign.2C_subsequent_harassment

  75. alcestiseshtemoa says:

    Pass the bucket. Quickly.

    Indeed.

  76. Dalrock the worshipper at the altar of the Manosphere.

    Exhalting Game above Christ.

    I’m so tired of this bullshit charge. I mean literally tired, like why bother writing when I could just go take a nap instead. I wish I had the energy to waste commenting on blogs I don’t like, showing off my vast ignorance of their subject matter.

  77. I come to this blog for Dalrock’s insights but I stayzz 4 da GBFM lzzozozlzozzolozzolzz

    Television, movies, music, literature… none of it used to be this way. The arts reflect the culture. Feminists, equalitarians, homosexuals, heathens, atheists, and left-liberals all made a decision to enter these fields. Willfully or no, they perpetuate the messages of a sick culture steeped in hedonism, materialism, and feminism through their work. The manosphere is a good and necessary thing. By all means promote the reading of the Western canon (check with GBFM lozzozozolol), or watching classic films. Eventually we need to start producing our own art. If you can string a coherent sentence together, write a novel or get a blog like our host here.

  78. piercedhead says:

    This is what happens when women have so much influence. The language becomes so debased that no-one believes what anyone says anymore.

    Fortunately for us men the truth remains the truth, because it is greater than words – there are just fewer and fewer places where it can spoken out loud (where are these places? clue: where one sex is dominant, and the other absent).

  79. Asher says:

    @ sexual marxist

    Yes, Martin Luther coined the term but it just means “against law”. It indicates one who holds that all human law is just tied to ungrounded subjective willing and who is, generally, opposed to structure and hierarchy.

  80. Anonymous Reader says:

    Tangential to this discussion – or not – the antibiotic resistant super gonorrhea marches on..

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/100685883

  81. TFH says:

    This article might lead some of us to see the truth of the following maxim :

    Women don’t seem to understand cause and effect very well.

  82. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    You can have your “heritage”. Just because someone critiques its negative points doesn’t mean they “hate” it.

    Your joculometer is pegging. Turn down the gain.

  83. Sexual Marxist says:

    Asher, someone got put “on trial” for it, SMH.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Hutchinson#Civil_trial

  84. Do they truly see it as damage?

    Probably not consciously. But the impression I get from that last woman is that she looks at her son and starts to get the same creeped-out feeling that she gets when a beta orbiter keeps pressing her for a date. She just doesn’t like what she sees when she looks at him, but she’s not sure why, because her solipsism and ideological filters make it impossible for her to define it.

  85. Asher says:

    @ sexual marxist

    Kant held that: natural antinomies ensue when reason endeavors to apply categories of the understanding, suitable to empirical experience, to the transcendental and absolute. He distinguishes; first, the antinomy of the conceptions of a finite and an infinite in space and time: second, of the divisibility and individuality of matter; third, of freedom and necessity; fourth, of the existence or non- existence of a necessary being, or God.

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    you writes, “P-U.A. Scammers says:
    April 30, 2013 at 6:18 pm
    Dalrock the worshipper at the altar of the Manosphere.

    Exhalting Game above Christ.

    Dalrock cannot serve both the Lord and the devil, he must give up Game for the Bible’s teachings.

    Either be a committed Christian or a committed devil worshipper! No mixing the two!”

    i truly believe that dalrock is a committed christian.
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    by passing moral judgement
    on the immoral decline
    of the church
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    instead of exalting and supporting fatherhood,
    and recognizing and enforcing
    the natural RIGHTS of MEN.

    the question is, P-U.A. Scammers
    how are you serving christ?

    please do share–thanks!

  88. Joe Blow says:

    Y’know that Rav 4 chick? Cake had a really good breakup song about a guy who figures out it’s just not going to work called “Take it all Away.” Puts me in mind of her and her little car. The lyrics go,

    You keep pushin’ me away
    In spite of what you say
    I found out yesterday
    That I’ve
    Been wastin’ all my time
    Tryin’ to make you smile
    Tryin’ to make this seem worth while
    You’ve been pushin’ me around
    In spite of what I do
    Tryin’ to make things good for you
    Chorus: Take your economy car and your suitcase
    Take your psycho little dog
    Take it all away

    John McCrea… alpha.

  89. Frank says:

    The first Iron Man movie was good (despite filled with PC undertones, such as the implicit rant against evil weaponry), but the second one was so full of explicit/intense political correctness…

    I had the exact same reaction, although I’m still hoping the third will redeem itself somewhat. I remember discussing the second movie with a married coworker, and of course his favorite scene is the one where the Black Widow is taking down 20 thugs while the guy with her only takes down one in the same time frame. And he’s thinking that’s just awesome.

    Me: *face palm*

  90. Anti-NWO says:

    “Kant held that: natural antinomies ensue when reason endeavors to apply categories of the understanding, suitable to empirical experience, to the transcendental and absolute.”

    And somebody was actually PUT ON TRIAL for that!
    In. My. Country.

    Imagine if the internet had been a thing then. They’d be hanging and burning people.
    Oh, wait.

  91. Sexual Marxist says:

    “Kant held that: natural antinomies ensue when reason endeavors to apply categories of the understanding, suitable to empirical experience, to the transcendental and absolute.”

    And somebody was actually PUT ON TRIAL for that!
    In. My. Country.

    Imagine if the internet had been a thing then. They’d be hanging and burning people.
    Oh, wait.

  92. RedPillPaul says:

    Culture TV, TV Culture. Chicken or the egg eh? Its neither. Its those in power that creates both. TV, at any given time, takes culture, at any given time, replicates it and tweaks it just a little, just a tad and then lets it air on TV for a time, and that is however long it takes for people to accept this “tweak” as a normality.
    Who puts these tweaks in the TV? Those in power.

    So, those in power have an idea of what kind of culture it wants to create. It then uses TV to replicate the current culture, adds some tweaks, and slow boils us like frogs, until we accept it as normal, moving slowly until the culture reaches the desired state of those in power.

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    In the house of coffee where, shameless, stew
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    And taught more pleasant methods of salvation;
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    Lest God Himself should seem too absolute:
    Pulpits their sacred satire learn’d to spare,
    And vice admired to find a flatterer there!” (l.546-51)

  94. Thornstruck says:

    @ P-U.A. Scammers
    Dalrock the worshipper at the altar of the Manosphere.
    Exhalting Game above Christ.
    Dalrock cannot serve both the Lord and the devil, he must give up Game for the Bible’s teachings.
    Either be a committed Christian or a committed devil worshipper! No mixing the two!

    Which aspect of game is against Christ? Please provide scriptural reference and game explication.

  95. ahlstar says:

    Sexual Marxist says:

    April 30, 2013 at 9:01 pm

    This just posted at RoK

    http://www.returnofkings.com/9782/why-christian-men-dont-deserve-virgins

    Just read this whole post. I thought this guy was just some mouthy troller when I read his original comments about Frank. But his elaboration sheds light. Christian men have become, by and large, way too sissified by modern comforts and an overall sense of “love for our fellow man”. However, our manhood does not have to be reclaimed by the deflowering of dipshit virgins, or the dishonoring use of high-mileage whores. It comes from the ability to take the hard road. To take a stand in a time where taking a stand gets you ostrasized.
    But, taking stands is not popular. Christ Himself took stands and it earned Him a lifespan of 3 1/2 years of public life. That’s a man.

  96. Frank says:

    Just read this whole post. I thought this guy was just some mouthy troller when I read his original comments about Frank.

    He went NUTS after the “heart hearts” comment. Clearly not a Psych fan.

    Christian men have become, by and large, way too sissified by modern comforts and an overall sense of “love for our fellow WOmen

    FIFY

  97. Truth cannot contradict truth. At the end of the day, the claims that Game makes about human nature are either objectively true or objectively false. If they’re true, then it’s silly to speak about having to choose between Christ or Game. Game can be used to bed a beautiful bevy of busty babeszzoolozzol, or to find a good wife and build a good marriage. Similarly, one can use a hammer to build a house or to smash your buddy’s head in.

    Feminism and bernankified buttehxted dollarzzololzozozoz are objectively false and Christians ought to reject them.

  98. Sexual Marxist says:

    ” Similarly, one can use a hammer to build a house or to smash your buddy’s head in.”

    I read that as ” one can use a HAMSTER to build a house or to smash your buddy’s head in.”

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  99. Cane Caldo says:

    @Dr. E.S.

    For myself, I didn’t watch Brave because while I can imagine sexual role reversal being well-done, and an interesting social commentary–especially ending in support or traditional roles–I simply don’t have the patience to sort it out from the rest of the bullshit. I can tell you that the marketing was woman-great/men-retarded. That’s all the preview was.

  100. 8oxer says:

    You guys who read the “Why Christian Men Don’t Deserve Virgins” and took it personally, read it again. This gent is giving excellent advice in a backhanded way, and you’d be wise to take it seriously.

    Congratulations to GBFM for the heartiste “reply of the month” placement, too. I rarely post over there, but I saw it and cheered for you. Truly, the Roissy admins know a worthy response when they read it.

  101. @Sexual Marxist; I read that as ” one can use a HAMSTER to build a house or to smash your buddy’s head in.”

    Most of us are here because of our experiences with fully armed and operational hamsters!

  102. BradA says:

    The RoK guy is full of crap. Some guys are like that, but not all of them. I would still seek a virgin bride if I were younger and in that market as I did. Mine looks decent enough for me.

    “What shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world (all the sex he wants for example) and loses his soul.” Judgment time is coming and all those fun times won’t be nearly so much fun. But live it up while he can. Many in today’s climate will be glad to fill him now.

    Long term consequences are much more dicey. VDs and such, ignoring eternal implications. Though the eternal lasts a heck of a lot longer!

  103. Ron says:

    Does anyone else get thet feeling that if that if the father was not typical “bumbling idiot dad”, then his wish would have been “I wish I never met this nasty bitch of a wife.”

  104. Sexual Marxist says:

    “But live it up while he can. ”

    He can always repent later, like during his viagra years, and thus not have to face Judgement Day, right?

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  106. Lyn87 says:

    Sexual Marxist says:
    April 30, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    “But live it up while he can. ”

    He can always repent later, like during his viagra years, and thus not have to face Judgement Day, right?

    It is possible, but none of us are guaranteed to be alive 10 seconds from now, much less long enough to encounter the “Viagra years.” If RoK lives that long the odds are pretty long against it, though. And if he does he still loses out pretty big. Salvation is by Grace (unmerited favor), but eternal rewards are more like your C.V.. If all you have to show for your time on this mortal coil is a lifetime of debauchery that ends with a deathbed conversion you still get there, but the “pathetic Churchian loooooosers” you used to mock will be a lot better off than you are… forever.

    Personally… he comes across as a poseur to me. Any girl serious about saving it for marriage would not give it up for a guy like that – certainly not in the time frame he implies anyway. If he did bag her she was no virgin… just another slut pretending to be something she’s not and a guy with insufficient discernment to tell.

    I suspect the entire episode he relates is fictional – it just doesn’t ring true. There are internet tough guys and there are internet Lotharios. This guy is almost certainly one of the latter.

  107. jack says:

    Envy my cock, ye harlots. You shall never know the true power of being male.

  108. Sexual Marxist says:

    “Personally… he comes across as a poseur to me. Any girl serious about saving it for marriage would not give it up for a guy like that – certainly not in the time frame he implies anyway. If he did bag her she was no virgin… just another slut pretending to be something she’s not and a guy with insufficient discernment to tell.

    I suspect the entire episode he relates is fictional – it just doesn’t ring true. There are internet tough guys and there are internet Lotharios. This guy is almost certainly one of the latter.”

    If you’ve ever scoured the PUA forums they are full of made up stories as well as pre-staged “in field” videos.

    These guys think they are “gaming” virgins or women who otherwise only have sex in the context of relationships into sleeping with them after 3 hours or 3 days. They don’t even know the basics of what we know here; that the women they sleep with are women who are already open to and living a casual sex lifestyle. Game not needed. All they need to do is be somewhere in the range of the woman’s casual sex partner ‘type’ and its on.

    A church girl will lie to who she thinks is a church boy that she is still a virgin but, as quoted at the bottom of the RoK piece “I might regret that I’ve sinned but I will never regret YOU” is the most obvious crock of shit I’ve ever come across, and he FELL FOR IT.

    These women are masters of male psychology.

  109. Lyn87 says:

    A church girl will lie to who she thinks is a church boy that she is still a virgin but…

    Yep. A Christian (not just Churchian) young woman who is serious about maintaining her virginity for her marriage and also enough about her faith to attend a mission conference is not going to hop in bed with some clown with “Game.” It’s like these guys think that pretending to be something they are not is some sort of magic spell that turns otherwise serious women into raving nymphomaniacs instantly. Give me a break. I suppose that sort of thing generates book sales, seminar tickets, and blog hits, but I seriously doubt that it generates casual sex with hot virgins at missions conferences.

    “Ooooh! I kissed her like a boss right there in front of some beta orbiter and she ripped her clothes off right there in the foyer and did me like a porn star!”

    Suuuuuure she did…

  110. Asher says:

    @ beefy levinson

    At the end of the day, the claims that Game makes about human nature are either objectively true or objectively false

    A truth derived from the world of objects is an “objective truth” but like the entire world of objects that truth changes, even passing away. Human beings understand themselves as subject, so they incorrectly assign God into the category of objects. And what does God call Himself? Spirit, in other words, subect. In fact, he says that He is nothing but spirit.

    Objective truth is relative, but absolute truth is pure spirit, as God say in his Word. Objective truths are relative and they change by time and place. As Nietzsche pointed out the more absolute the truth the more subjective it becomes.

    Also, there is not one human nature but a whole kaleidoscope of them.

  111. Asher says:

    I have seen some criticism of Mark Driscoll in recent posts so I thought the following on him might be appreciated:

    http://joyfulexiles.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/jonna-mhc-story-29.pdf

    I attended Mars Hill for about nine months and, while I enjoyed it, something felt a bit akilter.

  112. Sexual Marxist says:

    Attention GBFM!

    “Sarah Palin was summoned to NY in 2008 to offices of Kissinger Assoc.Inc., 350 Park Ave & 51st — announcing to global management team that Alaskan MK-Kitten was under control of ”Dr. K” — one of the most sadistic MK-Ultra Monarch programmers/handlers. Palin’s “ALTERS” created from her “fractured mind” (remember shattered-glass reference during intro speech in Dayton, Ohio – 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling) had performed brilliantly, distracting electorate, allowing Rothschild/Rockefeller agents/banksters (Paulson & Bernake) to loot U.S. Treasury once again, triggering massive credit crunch, plunging American citizens into a never ending cycle of debt and despair.

    Palin’s masterful performance @RNC 2008 was just that…what the world witnessed was a multi-generational Monarch Programmed Multiple on auto-pilot. This human robot recited a script loaded w/emotional triggers, fear-based xenophobic code words, before an audience primed to love and defend every word – it all worked brilliantly, because Zionist controlled media (CNN, FOX, MSNBC along w/all other alphabet propaganda outlets) had programmed the audience (electorate) for this precise event. Media also had their scripts and unanimously declared (speaking as one voice) “A STAR WAS BORN” — how Hollywood is that? … ”all eyes on her in the center of the ring, just like a circus” (lyrics from MK’d Britney Spears “Circus”)”

  113. Opus says:

    I am not entirely sure what qualities one needs to rise to such a dizzy height as Senior Vice President (does anyone ever admit to being a Junior Vice President?) of Disney, but clearly a grasp of human – specifically a girl-child’s – nature is not one of them; for one one has to wonder about such a person – any person – being so deluded that they find it odd that little girls like dressing up as Princesses. Blame Darwin/God as suits you but that is the way we are, and nothing is or ever can change that. What did she think her daughter wanted to dress as – a Senior Vice President?

    Must dash – as I am about to post a letter to Kate Middleton explaining why aspiring to being a Princess is ‘an outdated irrelevant role model’ – pretty much the same letter I sent to Grace Kelly.

  114. Opus says:

    Its hard to grasp how we, on this thread, segue from Disney to Kant, but I find it hard to believe that anyone, anywhere, has been put on trial for Kant’s Antinomies (that, to those unfamiliar with the 1st Critique, are merely Paradoxes at the limits of thought).

  115. @ alcestiseshtemoa

    Marcus, it isn’t a joke. Feminists have invaded video games too. One can always google “video game rape culture” to sneak a small peek…

    I don’t see why you should be surprised. What is there that has not been corrupted by feminism?

    Today’s situation will probably be seen as relatively good in a decade. This extends to all sin, not just feminism. The root of it all is godlessness.

    A long, narrow, and lonely way…

  116. Edge says:

    Dalrock,

    I posted a few articles ago about how I need help pulling a Christian man out of the “matrix”. His wife cuckolded him with a couple of men from another race and told him she was raped.

    I know the truth and want to wake him up, but I am up against several factors. Do you have anything you have written so far that can help him wake up to the fact that his tendency for white-knight-ness is placing him in the position of “doing the right thing” and raising another man’s child from a woman who was not in fact raped but was actively screwing around on him?

    I have no proof that she was raped, other than her poor excuse of saying it happened in the parking lot of her gym in February. The gym is at a busy intersection with no place to hide, and the temperatures in February are frigid up here so there is no way anyone would rape someone in the snow or anything.

    Bottom line is, I need some help in unplugging this guy so he can marry a woman who deserves his devotion. Is there anything you have that I can link to which could help him?

  117. en-sigma says:

    Shark game. Or are we really sharks anyway. either way – its funny

    http://news.discovery.com/animals/sharks/why-shark-exmbryos-eat-each-other-130501.htm

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  119. Matthew King says:

    Sexual Marxist speculated about Lyn87’s speculation:

    Personally… he comes across as a poseur to me. Any girl serious about saving it for marriage would not give it up for a guy like that – certainly not in the time frame he implies anyway. If he did bag her she was no virgin… just another slut pretending to be something she’s not and a guy with insufficient discernment to tell.

    I suspect the entire episode he relates is fictional – it just doesn’t ring true. There are internet tough guys and there are internet Lotharios. This guy is almost certainly one of the latter.

    If you’ve ever scoured the PUA forums they are full of made up stories as well as pre-staged “in field” videos.

    These guys think they are “gaming” virgins or women who otherwise only have sex in the context of relationships into sleeping with them after 3 hours or 3 days. They don’t even know the basics of what we know here; that the women they sleep with are women who are already open to and living a casual sex lifestyle. Game not needed. All they need to do is be somewhere in the range of the woman’s casual sex partner ‘type’ and its on.

    Of course PUA’s exaggerate the magic of “game” in a world of barrel fishing. Yes, they are vaguely pathetic when deriving their sense of manliness exclusively from an ability to confuse naïve and drunk 20-year-olds with no cultural, familial, or personal defenses against hypergamy.

    But stop dividing the flock, Satan. You have to figure out the ways Return of Kings and Dalrock are on the same page, wanting the same things. Why do you think the host of this site doesn’t take up arms against his brothers- and cousins-in-arms the way you do?

    Instead, subverters like you fixate on differences, advertise them, rub salt in them, and ultimately declare them to be the decisive factor against alliance. All while we are being dominated by a greater culture with no such compunction. You keep your precious little ideology in the original plastic, like a Star Wars doll, lest it get scuffed.

    It’s the same thing with Frank and his “virginity.” How awful, awful that the world intrudes on such purity and besmirches it! Meantime you marinate in a cultural sewer, with pouty face and arms crossed, and criticize those few men with the practical wherewithal to lead us up out of it.

    “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.” Is that directive not clear? Where is your wolf, brothers? Your sheep dog? Are you familiar with the serpentine, or are you afraid of their hiss and flinch from it, like princesses?

    Matt

  120. Ton says:

    Y’all are seriously over estimating women who go on mission trips. My daughter left hers early. She said it was one big Christian hook up vacation.

    I do think the story is unlikely, but we also have to deal with the reality of church girls

  121. Dalrock says:

    @Edge

    I posted a few articles ago about how I need help pulling a Christian man out of the “matrix”. His wife cuckolded him with a couple of men from another race and told him she was raped.

    I know the truth and want to wake him up, but I am up against several factors. Do you have anything you have written so far that can help him wake up to the fact that his tendency for white-knight-ness is placing him in the position of “doing the right thing” and raising another man’s child from a woman who was not in fact raped but was actively screwing around on him?

    Bottom line is, I need some help in unplugging this guy so he can marry a woman who deserves his devotion. Is there anything you have that I can link to which could help him?

    I can’t think of anything I have written which would be likely to change his thinking here. Often what happens in this kind of situation is the man is using his own “emotion to logic converter”. Typically he is denying his own motivation to overlook her faults (he wants sex and thinks he has somehow hit the jackpot) by framing it to himself and others as protecting her. I think your best bet would be to focus on saving the child over saving him.

    As it stands, this child is going to grow up thinking he/she is a product of rape because both of his parents are unwilling to confront their own selfishness. You might be able to overcome his protectiveness of her by invoking his protectiveness of the innocent child. However, since he has a selfish motivation in all of this it would be extremely difficult. If you succeeded in getting him/them to confront the truth for the sake of the child, you then might be able to pivot and get him to confront the rest by explaining his obligation to not burden his future children by saddling them with such a cold, calculating, and deceitful mother. But this pivot will be even more difficult than the first step of protecting the existing child, and both will be nearly impossible because he is thinking with his genitals while telling himself he is being noble.

  122. Mint says:

    Wait, wait. Mark Driscoll is comparing today’s single mothers to the Virgin Mary?!

    That’s worse than mere rationalization of single motherhood. That’s blasphemy.

  123. earl says:

    “Wait, wait. Mark Driscoll is comparing today’s single mothers to the Virgin Mary?!”

    Yes…and because of that he is on my s*it list.

    When it comes to the Virgin Mary…you badmouth her, you mess with me. She is one of two women (my mother) on the planet who will get my white knightery.

  124. Lyn87 says:

    Matt,

    Dude, you crack me up. What “game boys” and their sycophants don’t understand is that feminism is merely a symptom of the problem whose modern roots go back at least to Jean-Jacques Rousseau – and whose ultimate roots go back to the Garden of Eden.

    The problem is philosophical / moral, and feminists and “game boys” embrace it with equal fervor. The problem is that a culture that rejects God will also reject the moral law that permits society to flourish. And a movement that embraces debauched hedonists whose sole purposes in life seem to 1) be part of the problem, and 2) teach other people how to be part of the problem, is a movement that nurtures the seeds of its own failure.

    And you are really quoting scripture out of context if you think that rejecting actual “subverters” (in your case “game boys”) is “dividing the flock.” I’ve seen a hundred guys like you in churches – unity at any cost and truth be damned. It is precisely that philosophy that has turned most churches into what they are today. Showing sluts the door unless they repent is also “dividing the flock.” Since you maintain that “dividing the flock” is bad you find yourself in the company of guys like Marc Driscoll… congratulations. I’m sure you two will get along splendidly since you want to embrace male fornicators (cads) and he wants to embrace female fornicators (sluts): you two were made for each other.

    You are so afraid of being rejected that you will embrace anyone who is willing to travel in the same direction as you – even people who openly embrace the same core philosophy as those “mean girls” that you despise so much. No thanks: I’m a man and I prefer to stand where standing is required, rather than being swept along with the current. And if that entails pointing out the truth that PUA’s are not allies, then so be it.

    You might want to refresh your reading of “Pilgrim’s Progress.” One of the people who coaxed Pilgrim off the right path was a man who came alongside him and walked with him. They seemed to be going in the same general direction, but as Pilgrim walked with his “friend” he got farther and farther from the path.

    Let us speak the truth among ourselves – “game” as defined in the PUA community, is mostly about convincing women to fornicate with the “alpha” poseur. Fornication is a sin. Since you quoted scripture to me I’ll quote some back (the difference is that I’ll do so in context). 2 Corinthians 6: 14-18:

    Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? For ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

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    “Mint says:
    May 1, 2013 at 9:31 am
    Wait, wait. Mark Driscoll is comparing today’s single mothers to the Virgin Mary?!

    That’s worse than mere rationalization of single motherhood. That’s blasphemy.”

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  126. Lyn87 says:

    Ton says:
    May 1, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Y’all are seriously over estimating women who go on mission trips. My daughter left hers early. She said it was one big Christian hook up vacation.

    I do think the story is unlikely, but we also have to deal with the reality of church girls

    No argument there, Ton. I did not mean to imply that attendance at a missions conference rendered her above suspicion: just that it reduces the odds against her being the kind of girl who would hop in the sack with a transparent PUA she just met (especially since the “game boy” insisted that she was, in fact, a virgin).

    To other points: 1) your daughter was in the same situation, yet she left early because she in a NAWALT herself. 2) The “big Christian hook up vacation” was also fueled by church boys. We often pretend that female fornication is somehow a bigger sin than male fornication because the temporal consequences tend to be worse, but in God’s economy PUA = slut.

  127. Crowhill says:

    Dalrock quotes Pastor Mark Driscoll as saying …

    >Single guys: don’t overlook the single moms. Jesus’ mom was a single mom & it went
    >pretty well for Joseph.

    This kind of stuff annoys me. How does he know that things went well for Joseph? There is almost no data on this. He’s just making stuff up.

  128. Cane Caldo says:

    @Lyn87

    Great comment at 9:49 am.

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  130. Jeremy says:

    @Frank

    …I remember discussing the second movie with a married coworker, and of course his favorite scene is the one where the Black Widow is taking down 20 thugs while the guy with her only takes down one in the same time frame. And he’s thinking that’s just awesome.

    I laugh hard now when I see this sort of thing depicted in movies.
    1) There is no half-magic method or technique to knocking people unconscious. At best, with the best training, you’ll only be able to consistently daze people for 2-5 seconds from punches or kicks, that’s it. If you want to make people unconscious you need to learn choke holds, and even then it can take over a minute to do it.
    2) If you ever do knock someone unconscious from a punch or a kick, you need to call the paramedics, because in all likelihood they are about to die.
    3) Fistfights are always won by the person with MORE WEIGHT, this is why wrestling and boxing have weight classes, because without evening the weight, the world champion would always look like Shaquille O’Neal at his fattest.
    4) Considering 1,2 and 3 above, a 100 to 140 pound female throwing her body around like a chimpanzee and knocking men twice her weight unconscious is both impossible and no different than her using an automatic rifle to mow them down. In fact, I would prefer they just hand the girls a full-auto M4 than perpetuate this physical fantasy of anorexic women being able to punch 20 men unconscious in 2 minutes flat and walk off to leave them to die.

  131. earl says:

    “How does he know that things went well for Joseph?”

    What little we know…things weren’t smooth sailing for Joesph. He had to take his family to Egypt for two years so that Jesus didn’t die of Herod’s blood lust.

  132. Lyn87 says:

    There is no half-magic method or technique to knocking people unconscious.

    True. But plenty of guys here defend an equally absurd notion with a fervor usually only observed in religious cults – the notion that an otherwise undesirable man can quickly learn to turn hotties into his personal sex slaves with “Game.”

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  133. @earl

    Seconded. Scoffers gonna scoff, but I am an unabashed white knight when it comes to the BVM.

  134. deti says:

    Lyn:

    “But plenty of guys here defend an equally absurd notion with a fervor usually only observed in religious cults – the notion that an otherwise undesirable man can quickly learn to turn hotties into his personal sex slaves with “Game.””

    Quibble only in that you’re overstating it a bit.

    Good looking high status men can probably pull much hotter women with Game. They can, if they choose, be Tucker Max Goldman Sax going around sexxxing up the hottieszoloolzolozl and butthexting buttcocking desouling da womenzllolozolozlllozzzozozozozol Fine if they want to live that way, but itszzzs not the beszt or most God-honoring way to live. lzzzolzolzollz

    But an average man can up his attractiveness and do better with women in his range. Average men are not going to pull HB 9s and 10s for one night stands. Not gonna happen.

    A below average man (sex rank 3-4) could probably pull a 3-4 woman with a little game.

    No way is Poindexter going into a bar and walking out with the cheerleader. Not gonna happen. And reputable game advocates don’t say that.

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  135. Lyn87 says:

    I dunno’ Deti. I’m not sure there is any such thing as a “reputable” game advocate anyway, so the point may be moot. I check out CH once in a while for a couple of reasons: he’s a good writer and occasionally he says something insightful. (LOL – when I just typed that I spelled it “inciteful” at first – Freudian slip maybe?).

    I understand that the theory is that guys can increase the SMV they project, but plenty of the guys who comment certainly seem to think that the sole determining factor for who gets to bang the cheerleader is who has the “tightest game” – whatever that means. When I am instructing people and a student says something that is incorrect I fix it on the spot – not to embarrass anyone, but so that nobody thinks I, as the Subject Matter Expert (SME) on that particular subject, wants them to think that way. When one puts oneself in the position of being the expert, not correcting false statements implies agreement. If “game” has such huge limits on its utility (as we know it does), the guys who sell it have an obligation to correct the idea that “game” works for anyone if it’s “tight” enough. That’s what “reputable” people do.

  136. Cane Caldo says:

    @Opus

    [O]ne one has to wonder about such a person – any person – being so deluded that they find it odd that little girls like dressing up as Princesses.

    It’s not odd that little girls want to be princesses, but it is odd that parents let them walk down the street like that. The little girl was wearing heels to pre-school.

    What’s odd is the woman’s mental disconnect. She is a “Sr. VP”; that’s modern speak for “Duke” of some corporate fiefdom. Any self-respecting woman would be a Duchess, but there’s not name for that in corporate America. Why? Because corporations are a decidely mannish construct. That’s why women want in there. Nobility–while being unAmerican–is at least cognizant of sex differences. In this (very American) context: her finding her daughter “odd” is reasonable: As a society we’ve taken on huge economic and cultural costs, and this little bitch undoes billions of dollars worth of social deconstruction in one teetering step. “Brave” cost $185 million. “Tangled”–which is truly overt egalitarian bullshit (Rapunzel [the heroine] saves her loser Dark Triad ne’er-do-well boyfriend by cutting her long blonde hair into a pixie cut, and dying it brown!)–cost $260 Million.

    Anyone care to tally up wages lost to abortion; both in the cost of actually lost workers, and in the opportunity cost of not having a sensible cultural response to pregnancy like, “Marry her, or my friends and I going to bury you, and then pray for forgiveness.”? Remember: family men produce more.

    The wee clickety-clack of tiny heels thunders through Ms. Sr. V.P.’s phony existence; disturbing the backdrop fabric of America’s giant movie-set facade of equality…and not just for the egalitarian. Those heels are the training wheels of a Dark Triad trojan horse: There’s an emotional and spiritual invasion force inside. The little bitch who toddles around in heels at age four will soon be banging the men Ms. Mommy desires, to get the power that Ms. Sr. V.P. craves.

    @Alcest

    I started noticing this pattern of PC undertones in the last comic book movies even. The first Iron Man movie was good (despite filled with PC undertones, such as the implicit rant against evil weaponry), but the second one was so full of explicit/intense political correctness (e.g. two strong women, one of them became CEO due to Iron Man’s request and the other one was a butt kicking babe), that it was off-putting. In Thor, one of the Scandinavian gods was played by black dude (that’s deliberate miscasting). Even video games are becoming worse (see Mass Effect 3 for a glimpse, where “married” gays and Latinos are included in the story). This is giving not just to children, but to adults as well. Everyone, from babies to children to adults, swallows PC on a daily basis without realizing it.

    You’re misreading the story. I’ve never read the comic books, so I’m just going to speak about the movie.

    1) It’s a fantasy world where certain people kick serious ass. Black Widow is such a person, but by that world’s standards she’s pretty tame. She can only go toe-to-toe (as a super) with regular mortals. The rest of the supers (men) fight each other. When she does manage to get one over on a super it’s by exploiting their (men’s) disregard for women’s propensity for an agenda. This flaw is overwhelmingly true of men in the real world.

    2) Weaponry is not displayed as evil until it gets into the bad guy’s hands: be they terrorists, the government, or corporations in bed with the government. In the hands of private citizens, weapons are shown as a badass necessity and equalizer. Count me in.

    3) The woman (Pepper) was made CEO by a man, and totally at his whim. She demonstrated good judgment, constantly looked out for his best interest over hers, won his trust, and stuck by him through many female distractions. Besides, Stark Industries is literally his, and it’s totally dependent upon his excellence. If Iron Man goes down; Pepper cannot save the company.

    4) If the viking gods actually existed, then they would be world-wide gods. It makes some sense that they would be of various races. I was pleased that they put the black god strictly on the Asgardian side of the bridge. The vikings would never have seen him.

    5) The Hulk was the shit. When you really need to save the world you have to get a man who embraces total war; who joyously destroys everything that stands against him, but never pauses to savor the destruction. There is no sadism, or schadenfreude; just high testosterone glee in the fight itself. Black Widow trembled like a little girl when The Hulk got loose around her. That was not the Hollywood indoctrination status quo.

    Joss Whedon (writer/director of The Avengers) is a big feminist liberal, but his devotion to a good (believable) story outweighs his prejudices. In Firefly, when the badass girl who was trained to kill (by the government, at an EXTRAORDINARY cost in resources, her sanity, and her humanity) she was barely a match for Jayne; who was just a large man who had raised himself. Even then, she could only take him out by grabbing his balls while he’s trying to protect her from herself. What a true-to-life metaphor.

  137. Jeremy says:

    @Lyn87

    …But plenty of guys here defend an equally absurd notion with a fervor usually only observed in religious cults – the notion that an otherwise undesirable man can quickly learn to turn hotties into his personal sex slaves with “Game.”

    That’s kind of a ridiculous overstatement, to the point of just being an outright lie. I’ve not seen any post anywhere in the manosphere about game allowing undesireable guys to make “sex slaves” out of hotties. I’ve also never seen such ridiculous notions defended. Game is not a magic pill that turns Homer from backwoods Viginia into Brad Pitt, and no one has ever said as much except for hyperbolic trolls. Oh wait…

  138. But plenty of guys here defend an equally absurd notion with a fervor usually only observed in religious cults – the notion that an otherwise undesirable man can quickly learn to turn hotties into his personal sex slaves with “Game.”

    That’s a flat-out lie. I could call it an exaggeration and explain to what extent it’s based on something true, but what’s the point? It’s a lie and you’re a liar and a troll. Done.

  139. In Firefly, when the badass girl who was trained to kill (by the government, at an EXTRAORDINARY cost in resources, her sanity, and her humanity) she was barely a match for Jayne; who was just a large man who had raised himself.

    That’s true, but unfortunately it didn’t last. By the movie, she was able to take out a whole room full of ravening zombies — who are so deadly that practically no one has seen one and lived — until they lay in heaps around her. It was a beautifully choreographed scene and a lot of fun, but total nonsense, even given her lab-enhanced Waif-Fu.

  140. Jeremy says:

    @Cail Corishev

    …given her lab-enhanced Waif-Fu.

    What a fantastic term. “Waif-Fu”… I’m going to be using that.

  141. alcestiseshtemoa says:

    Joss Whedon (writer/director of The Avengers) is a big feminist liberal, but his devotion to a good (believable) story outweighs his prejudices.

    Sometimes, but the movies still have a couple of PC undertones and they flash out occasionally. Black Widow in the movie wasn’t the same as in the comics.

  142. Cane Caldo says:

    @Cail

    By the movie, she was able to take out a whole room full of ravening zombies — who are so deadly that practically no one has seen one and lived — until they lay in heaps around her. It was a beautifully choreographed scene and a lot of fun, but total nonsense, even given her lab-enhanced Waif-Fu.

    The logic then is: If the government had known about Jayne they could have just paid him one million star-dollars to take care of the problem.

    I think, in a world of inter-terrestrial travel, we can allow for the galaxy’s largest multi-planetary conglomerate and an evil one-galaxy government to have the resources to concoct a wily-but-feral woman capable of destroying a roomful of 50 slobbering idiots.

    Sounds like a weekend in a dance club, or a courthouse.

  143. Lyn87 says:

    Oh noooooz! I’ve been called a lying, lying, liar… and a TROLL! Gasp!

    If they don’t wish to defend the most absurd claims then they ought to denounce them. They don’t – they let them stand. They don’t all say that all the time, but anyone who thinks that “game boys” don’t believe that the key to “banging hotties” is “tight game” isn’t paying attention.

    After a five-second internet search I found this on the Roosh V forum. I assume that is “legit” enough for our purposes.

    Display of tight game…

    I was in a bar last night that usually has a nice assortment of hot girls on any night of the week. Problem is, these girls are usually accompanied by dudes or are in large packs.

    Last night there was a group of girls that looked Latin, one of which was a 9. I bummed a smoke from two guys I saw talking to them earlier who ended up being from Colombia originally and still had thick accents. There was also about 5 huge guys (verging on juice heads) standing near the girls that seemed to know them. One of these guys pulled up in an Aston Martin and parked it out front.

    Interesting thing was…neither the native Colombian guys nor the ripped guys with the Aston were dancing with the girls or getting a lot of attention from them in general (occasional hug, quick convo).

    They were dancing with two normal looking kind of fratty dudes (button down shirt and flat-billed braves caps). I think one of the girls was with one of these guys and the other three just stayed near his friend.

    Interesting to see that despite with both the Latin guys and the buff rich dudes vying for their attention these girls stuck with the two average looking bros they came with. Fellas must have had their game on lock.

    That was the result of one search completed in less than a minute. Do I really have to dig up 100 more? We all know how easy that would be.

    Are we done here?

  144. Frank says:

    @Jeremy:

    I laugh hard now when I see this sort of thing depicted in movies.

    What’s disturbing is not the absurdity of it but that women seriously believe they can replicate this in real life.

  145. dorsey47 says:

    A church girl will lie to who she thinks is a church boy that she is still a virgin but, as quoted at the bottom of the RoK piece “I might regret that I’ve sinned but I will never regret YOU” is the most obvious crock of shit I’ve ever come across, and he FELL FOR IT.

    I remember thinking that he was hypnotized by the hamster of that statement. I wonder if he tingles for her memory.

  146. jack says:

    After reading that account, I am convinced more than ever that Mark Driscoll is a big bully, a whining baby, and a apostate.

  147. alcestiseshtemoa says:

    What’s disturbing is not the absurdity of it but that women seriously believe they can replicate this in real life.

    Indeed.

  148. jack says:

    And by the way, Frank, deserving or not, you just got tooled by one the the best writers on ROK.

    I’m sure he was seething over your hugz comment as he was busy deflowering the kind of high-quality female that probably would barely speak to a good Christian man like yourself.

    Someone’s got a bad case of the “Franks”.

    Take your drubbing like a man. You lost, and big.

  149. If they don’t wish to defend the most absurd claims then they ought to denounce them. They don’t – they let them stand. They don’t all say that all the time, but anyone who thinks that “game boys” don’t believe that the key to “banging hotties” is “tight game” isn’t paying attention.

    Keep backpedaling; you’ll get there. One post on Roosh’s forum doesn’t equal “plenty of men here” on Dalrock’s blog, but nice try.

  150. Cane Caldo says:

    @alcest

    “Sometimes, but the movies still have a couple of PC undertones and they flash out occasionally. Black Widow in the movie wasn’t the same as in the comics.”

    I wrote that I’ve only seen the movies, and never read the comics. My comment is based solely on the movies.

    More broadly (heh), and for your edification: I think you are putting the em-PHA-SIS on the wrong syl-LA-ble. The undertones are remarkable for the fact that they are non-PC. The overtones are egalitarian: There are male and female superheroes. The undertones are that men are more capable fighters and leaders, and that women shine in supporting roles.

    @Frank

    “What’s disturbing is not the absurdity of it but that women seriously believe they can replicate this [ed: kick ass] in real life.”

    No, they don’t. We cannot let such posturing pass as “belief”. Women know they cannot kick ass like a man. They want to believe that some women can, and since they also want to pull a Whitney Houston and believe that “they’re every woman” then they pretend to share in this make-believe-women-can-kick-ass scenario. This feminist rabbit-hole is deeper than you, Frank. We’re not talking discrete instances of duplicity and pretending, but a warren of misconceptions, false narratives, incomplete thoughts, lies, delusions, unintended consequences, fear, hate, and desire.

  151. What a fantastic term. “Waif-Fu”… I’m going to be using that.

    Credit where credit is due: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WaifFu

  152. Frank says:

    Take your drubbing like a man. You lost, and big.

    How does one take a drubbing like a man, by fondling his balls the way you clearly enjoy doing?

  153. Jeremy says:

    @Lyn87

    If they don’t wish to defend the most absurd claims then they ought to denounce them. They don’t – they let them stand.

    The example you put in your post is drastically different than your claim. You claimed undesireable dudes getting hotties to be sex slaves. What you demonstrated with poor google-fu was two less-physically remarkable guys getting attention and dance floor time with hotties. I’ve seen that happen to me and I have *zero* game. I see no reason not to let that claim stand, its easily possible.

    Are we done here?

    Yep, troll.

    @Frank

    What’s disturbing is not the absurdity of it but that women seriously believe they can replicate this in real life.

    I don’t really believe that most women try to believe that, and you shouldn’t either.

  154. Frank says:

    We’re not talking discrete instances of duplicity and pretending, but a warren of misconceptions, false narratives, incomplete thoughts, lies, delusions, unintended consequences, fear, hate, and desire.

    And now they’re going to get a chance to put all that into practice in combat roles too.

  155. Edge says:

    Thanks Dalrock and Deti. I will give it a shot.

  156. Frank says:

    @Jeremy: I don’t really believe that most women try to believe that, and you shouldn’t either.

    Possibly, but it certainly seems like the loudest ones sure do.

  157. sunshinemary says:

    Oh dear God. When I read Dalrock’s OP, I misread it as a pink frilly SHIRT. I just clicked on the photo. It isn’t a shirt; it’s a SKIRT. The woman has dressed her son as a girl. He is wearing a girl’s SKIRT, and she dressed him that way. What the hell kind of message does that send? It’s madness. It’s pure evil.

    The wee clickety-clack of tiny heels thunders through Ms. Sr. V.P.’s phony existence; disturbing the backdrop fabric of America’s giant movie-set facade of equality…and not just for the egalitarian. Those heels are the training wheels of a Dark Triad trojan horse: There’s an emotional and spiritual invasion force inside. The little bitch who toddles around in heels at age four will soon be banging the men Ms. Mommy desires, to get the power that Ms. Sr. V.P. craves.

    Yes! Everyone please read the sentence I highlighted from Mr. Caldo’s comment again, maybe twice. There is a spiritual darkness to this that is denied by the world.

  158. Asher says:

    @ Lyn87

    What “game boys” and their sycophants don’t understand is that feminism is merely a symptom of the problem

    No, game boys are a symptom and what we call feminism is the root. You’re correct to cite the importance of Rousseau in the stream of western thought that rejects God but he is just a manifest exemplar of that rebelliousness. Feminist share that explicit commitment to rebelliousness, whereas game boys are just reacting to their environment. Feminism openly acknowledges that theirs is a project of subversion and transformation of reality, while game boys are just playing the cards they’re dealt.

    Hell, I have read game boys who don’t really believe in God but who sheepishly acknowledge that what they are doing is not “the good”. Feminists, on the other hand, call evil good and good evil.

    The problem is philosophical / moral, and feminists and “game boys” embrace it with equal fervor.

    This is just idiotic. I’m married and not a “game boy” but most gamers I have encountered are loathe to actively go after a married woman, and most even laud traditional marriage as a good thing.. Feminists, on the other hand, call traditional marriage evil. feminists call evil good and good evil, while gamers do not.

    Whether or not you realize it what you said was a bald-faced lie.

    And a movement

    Gaming isn’t really a movement, since a movement implies some sort of direction and collective action. Feminism, as a greater part of liberalism, is definitely a movement.

    actual “subverters” (in your case “game boys”) is “dividing the flock

    Game boys are not subverters of the flock. To subvert the flock means that one is preaching apostasy, which is definitely not what the guy from Return of Kings is doing. My sister did a six month missions stint at an orphanage in Mexico and I can assure you that it was not a hook up event, and I am guessing that a sustained two year mission trip, of the type that girl’s boyfriend was on, wasn’t a hook up event, either.

    The real crime in that story was in the father of the young woman not setting up her life so that he could marry her off before the age of twenty-one.

    “game” as defined in the PUA community, is mostly about convincing women to fornicate with the “alpha” poseur.

    First off, the term “game” has been around a lot longer than the PUA community. I have heard people say “he’s got game with the ladies” about faithful, married men. What you see in the PUA community is men who are thrust into a world over which they have little control and from which they are alienated and those men are just playing the cards they’ve been dealt. Is what many of them doing sinful? Absolutely. Does it compare to the liberal and feminist movement that calls evil good and good evil? No.

  159. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Frank – What’s disturbing is not the absurdity of it but that women seriously believe they can replicate this in real life.

    More disturbing to me are the number of women (I would assume men as well, but I’ve not seen examples of them) who think reality TV is real, and further assume that because people behave that way on reality TV, it’s okay to behave that way in reality.

  160. sunshinemary says:

    jack:

    Envy my cock, ye harlots. You shall never know the true power of being male.

    To which the feminists respond: Then we will castrate you in every conceivable way.

    It’s sad though. They had that power available to them via one-flesh holy matrimony. Now they have nothing. I’d be bitter, too. No wonder they tend to be so fat and ugly.

  161. James says:

    @Lyn87

    Heartiste has a lot of good insights, but the commenters are a mixed bunch. It is neither possible nor desirable for a blogger to correct every mistaken idea in the comments. Even a reputable expert does not run his blog as if the commenters are his paying pupils.

    Think of game as cosmetics for men – it has its limits, but it is no use pretending that it is ineffective, unappreciated by the opposite sex, or can only be used for immoral purposes.

  162. alcestiseshtemoa says:

    @ jack – You’re a dirty PUA player. That post at RoK was unreadable and misinterpreted the situation. I’m trying to help Frank achieve some kind of help (he’s an older single man) and you’re just badmouthing him. Cads aren’t attractive.

  163. alcestiseshtemoa says:

    Assortive mating is a good recipe. Cads and harlots belong together.

  164. James says:

    @Lyn87

    P.S. You surely know that you can ignore 90% of men’s stories about “women pulled”. The stories don’t suddenly become reliable because they are proffered as examples of “tight game”.

  165. Frank says:

    @ jack – You’re a dirty PUA player. That post at RoK was unreadable and misinterpreted the situation. I’m trying to help Frank achieve some kind of help (he’s an older single man) and you’re just badmouthing him.

    I appreciate your support, but this is just going to invite even more scorn (Oooooooooo look Frankie Faggiepants has to rely on virgin girl to come to his rescue HAHAHAHhahahlolzzlozlzlzlzlolololzzlzllzlzlzlz!!!111)

    There’s no curing that kind of crazy. Just ignore them.

  166. Elspeth says:

    More broadly (heh), and for your edification: I think you are putting the em-PHA-SIS on the wrong syl-LA-ble. The undertones are remarkable for the fact that they are non-PC. The overtones are egalitarian: There are male and female superheroes. The undertones are that men are more capable fighters and leaders, and that women shine in supporting roles.

    It comes down to what kind of lens you’re looking through.

  167. Women know they cannot kick ass like a man.

    True. Feminism, like all liberalism, is about tearing down, not building up. So in this case, it’s not about building women up into ass-kickers. It’s about tearing down the position of men as defender and protector, because that’s essential to the traditional family, which is essential to civilization, which delenda est.

  168. Dalrock says:

    @Cane Caldo

    More broadly (heh), and for your edification: I think you are putting the em-PHA-SIS on the wrong syl-LA-ble. The undertones are remarkable for the fact that they are non-PC. The overtones are egalitarian: There are male and female superheroes. The undertones are that men are more capable fighters and leaders, and that women shine in supporting roles.

    I’m of two minds here. On the one hand this is an interesting observation and I have little doubt that you are correct. On the other hand, how would this be different than someone observing that the meal the group just ate tasted like horse crap, and one of his fellow diners eagerly pointing out that the horse had clearly been fed nothing but the highest quality organic hay? As impressive as it is to identify the organic hay, it still overlooks the horse crap.

  169. Lyn87 says:

    James,

    I strongly suspect that most of the stories are simply made up. I’ll respond to you, since Jeremy and Cail are in clearly over their heads with me on this topic – which is too bad, they’ve both written good stuff before. An internet search that took less than five minutes yielded the example I quoted on the “OMG! ROOSH IS A PV$$Y-SLAYING GOD! I have such a man-crush on him!” website. The example I gave was where a couple of “averages bro’s” were getting the attention of multiple good-looking women in preference to big, muscular guys and one guy who drove an Aston. He attributed it entirely to “game.” And that was just the first quote I grabbed. The article in the RoK link above is far more extreme. We’ve probably all read hundreds that are more extreme. The honest ones among us will admit it. I cannot count every time I ran into someone who claims that “tight game” is a sure-fire way to get women regardless of other factors – and that is the key. If I had a dime for every time I’ve read some “game boy” go on about getting “hotties” into bed who only mentions “game” I would be driving an Aston myself.

    Yep… nothing to see here. That apparently makes me a “troll” though. Ooooooh, that really hurts. /sarc

    I would not expect a website operator to counter every crazy claim anyone makes, but the “game is King” meme is so prevalent that for a “game guru” to never address the severe inherent limitations implies agreement. It’s non-falsifiable anyway: if a guy scores, he had “tight game” – if he didn’t “his game was lacking.”

    I’m not sure why some guys feel the need to defend it with such fervor. The theory behind “game” is that projecting masculine traits attracts women. Why not just become more masculine for real?

    Q) What’s the difference between a teenage girl watching some comic-book super-heroine beat up 20 tough men in five minutes and a shy guy going to a seminar to learn how to score with 20 beautiful women in five weeks?

    A1) The girl knows she’s watching a fantasy.
    A2) The movie ticket costs a lot less than the seminar.
    A3) All of the above.

    I’m done here – this is too easy.

  170. Random Angeleno says:

    Used to be a fan of Spenser, the fictional detective. The early novels were alright, then it fell into too much PC. But there is one salient point from them that stuck with me: the character Spenser would always say somewhere in some way that any fight between fighters of relatively equal skill almost always goes to the bigger and stronger fighter. And if the difference in size and strength are large enough, the bigger fighter doesn’t even have to be that good to control the smaller fighter in a closed space. In open space, the smaller fighter will almost always have no choice but to get away in order to avoid getting the crap beat out of them.

    So I look at all these movies with “waif-fu” style characters and I just laugh at the total unreality presented.

  171. Matthew King says:

    Lyn87 pshawed:

    Dude, you crack me up. What “game boys” and their sycophants don’t understand is that feminism is merely a symptom of the problem whose modern roots go back at least to Jean-Jacques Rousseau – and whose ultimate roots go back to the Garden of Eden.

    Perhaps. But your denialism isn’t helping them “understand” it any better. You want to pontificate about the best life without getting your soft hands dirty. That is intrinsically mockable.

    A movement that embraces debauched hedonists whose sole purposes in life seem to 1) be part of the problem, and 2) teach other people how to be part of the problem, is a movement that nurtures the seeds of its own failure.

    No one said their hedonism wasn’t a big problem. You see a benign tumor as a stage-five malignancy that has destroyed the body. I see it as a wild-oats phase of boys being boys, not nearly so serious as you (or they) take it. Lust is nearest to heaven on Dante’s Seven Storey Mountain in The Purgatorio and merely second among the nine circles of The Inferno. Think on that while comparing it to envy’s considerably lower altitudes.

    Anyway, your hands-off lack of experience gives your judgment of their activities little credibility, despite the appearance of scripture on your side.

    I’ve seen a hundred guys like you in churches – unity at any cost and truth be damned. It is precisely that philosophy that has turned most churches into what they are today. Showing sluts the door unless they repent is also “dividing the flock.”

    You are confusing me for someone else. Did they gang up on you at a picnic or somesuch? We do not have any issues with “unity” on this side of the Tiber. I am a warrior under one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church. Magisterial authority guards against our satanic tendency to scatter.

    When you are at mass this weekend, listen close to the first reading from Acts, and how the jealous casuist Jews nearly blew up the the church universal over foreskin.

    You are sectarian, with no use for a catholic approach, with no mind for ecumenism. “Here comes everybody,” Joyce said. Learn to love them despite your envy. The genius of Christianity was its ability to draw the truth out of paganism and reorient it toward the true God. “Every one who is of the truth hears my voice.” And to this you only have Pilate’s reply, “Quid est veritas?”:

    Let us speak the truth among ourselves – “game” as defined in the PUA community, is mostly about convincing women to fornicate with the “alpha” poseur.

    Of course that’s how it appears to the outsider, because that’s what the insiders claim for themselves. But if you had independent judgment — and/or experience in their environment — you would realize that neither the true believers nor their critics have quite gotten to the heart of it.

    Go back to your Rousseau, and the Garden, and see “the PUA community” for who they are. They are a spontaneous male reaction to the fiction that denies La Différence. You claim to have discerned the larger cultural evil that is directing all things, and yet here comes a group of men with the testicular fortitude to challenge that evil, and you can only see their peccadilloes. You have no vision.

    Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? … be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

    You don’t impress me, Pharisee. You presume their different understanding of manliness condemns them ipso facto as infidels. Christ consorted with whores and thieves and swindlers. He found the good in them and drew it out of them. He brought about their metanoia through deep sympathy — the omnisympathy that allowed him to gather all sin to his cross, and thereby vanquish it once and forever.

    I have love for my brother omega virgins just as much as I do for my brother PUA libertines, and I “condemn not” according to whose sin is greater “lest [I] be condemned.” But to imagine that the omega’s sins of omission are simply innocent against the PUA’s commission is to have a cramped little mind with no capacity for the breadth of sin. And that lack of imagination, as often as not, is symptom of resentment (invidia).

    Matt

  172. Jeremy says:

    @Lyn87

    …I’ll respond to you, since Jeremy and Cail are in clearly over their heads with me on this topic – which is too bad, they’ve both written good stuff before…

    Your backhand needs work. Again, please demonstrate any such post or comment where someone claimed:

    … an equally absurd notion with a fervor usually only observed in religious cults – the notion that an otherwise undesirable man can quickly learn to turn hotties into his personal sex slaves with “Game.”

    Your reach into hyperbole and continued lack of acknowledgement that you are using it completely undermines anything you have to say. You should also tread carefully and talk in ways that you know, since you are speaking to someone who has an intimate awareness of what real-life cults are all about.

    I’m done here – this is too easy.

    Being intellectually lazy can create that illusion in some peoples minds.

  173. Since Cail brought up TvTropes, I’ll say that whether I agree or disagree with him I always appreciate Matt King’s sesquipedalian loquaciousness.

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SesquipedalianLoquaciousness

  174. Cane Caldo says:

    @Dalrock and Elspeth

    I’m of two minds here. On the one hand this is an interesting observation and I have little doubt that you are correct. On the other hand, how would this be different than someone observing that the meal the group just ate tasted like horse crap, and one of his fellow diners eagerly pointing out that the horse had clearly been fed nothing but the highest quality organic hay? As impressive as it is to identify the organic hay, it still overlooks the horse crap.

    Ha! Using my own “half ice cream and half dog crap” analogy* against me, eh?

    I would say that both of your minds are onto something. I’m going to call one mind (the horse crap detecting one) the scientific mind. It measures society (in this case art as a reflection of society) and (rightly) sees percentages and figures that are discouraging. From the scientific perspective you want the numbers to support your cause, theory, etc., and they currently don’t.

    But from the artistic perspective you really want the subversive momentum; the undertones. Imagine if C.S. Lewis had written “The Chronicles of Narnia” as a non-fiction series of apologetics aimed at children. Would there be regular reprints, and movies, and TV shows, etc.? Upon detecting organic hay use, the art mind should cue you to say: “Wait a minute: There’s organic food out there? The horses are eating better than I am! Let’s follow the trail from the horse crap factory back to the farm and see what they’re doing.”

    To back up a bit: The overtones of The Avengers, etc. is not so much “There are male and female superheroes”, but “There are superheroes.” It’s a secondary idea that “Some superheroes are men and some are women.” The undertone, “Even among superheroes, men are better leaders and fighters than woman, but women can really shine in supporting roles.”, is important in the way that vitamins and minerals are important for food. Horse crap isn’t bad for you because it tastes bad, but because it’s actually bad, and ice cream is not good just because it tastes good.

    I would suggest that the current mass confusion of causes scenarios where what was supposed to be the moral equivalent of horse crap that tasted like ice cream for the masses actually–maybe even accidentally–has nutrients in it.

    So, yes, Elspeth, it does matter from which perspective you view the situation. I suggest mine.

    *Not really my own. I stole it from a speech given at Hillsdale College.

  175. Jeremy says:

    This topic got me thinking about how horribly Hollywood portrays certain aspects of humanity, and how that handicap in imagination is what actually causes this need to cast women as superheroes capable of taking out armies of men with twig-legs.

    For instance, lets look at the world of espionage.

    Real espionage is boring work done by completely unremarkable people and in no way involves any sort of violence. Who does Hollywood portray as a spy? James Bond. And what is James Bond? He’s a famous playboy. The two are incompatible. You cannot be a famous, glamorous, wealth-throwing international tourist and be a spy. Hollywood’s problem is they have no idea how to make real espionage exciting. They got very close with the movie “Spy Game” with Robert Redford and Brad Pitt, but again the lead characters were male and were still quite reckless. So their cookie-cutter formula for a spy movie is one which is frankly incompatible with female strengths.

    But you know what? WOMEN MAKE GOOD SPIES. They make excellent spies, in fact. Women are more ignored than men in society on a daily street-level kind of way. People who can be invisible can more easily pass into shadows. Women also generally have a slightly easier time disguising themselves, as they’ve already got experience doing all sorts of gymnastics with clothing, hair, make-up, etc… When you want a good insider, you want someone who is invisible, or can make themselves appear harmless when in fact they’re telling the enemy everything. Women are GOOD at this (That is NOT AN INSULT).

    Hollywood’s problem is that their cookie cutter movie plot hasn’t changed since they made nothing but western shoot-em-up movies. They have no imagination, so they shoe-horn women into roles that are ridiculous.

  176. Entropy is my God says:

    @ Lyn87

    It appears that “t” has returned or perhaps has reincarnated as Lyn. The same ludicrous and awe inspiring insipidness remains and appears to have gained strength in this new “form”

    “I’m not sure why some guys feel the need to defend it with such fervor. The theory behind “game” is that projecting masculine traits attracts women. Why not just become more masculine for real?”

    I don’t know why some women defend the carousel and their ride on it with such fervor. I don’t know why they defend single motherhood so much. Why do they have to pretend to be “born again” virgins? Why not just less slut for real? Not just more virgin for real? Answer that, if you can.

    “Q) What’s the difference between a teenage girl watching some comic-book super-heroine beat up 20 tough men in five minutes and a shy guy going to a seminar to learn how to score with 20 beautiful women in five weeks?
    A1) The girl knows she’s watching a fantasy.
    A2) The movie ticket costs a lot less than the seminar.
    A3) All of the above.”

    You’re a vacuous windbag, but enough with ad hominine, Women do think they can destroy men in everything, from budgeting to combat; they don’t think it’s a fantasy.

    You are just one more reason I pray continually for the absolute destruction of this wretched country and our horrendous moral failings. The collapse cannot happen soon or harshly enough. No pain, no suffering, no horror is enough to pay for the disgusting behavior that is allowed.

  177. Gilgamesh says:

    “What’s disturbing is not the absurdity of it but that women seriously believe they can replicate this in real lie.”
    Women can’t even tell the difference between Edward Cullen and the actor who plays him.

  178. alcestiseshtemoa says:

    The culture as a whole has become degraded, but there are pockets where things are okay (but it’s still only pockets). Does TV create culture? TV is a medium for ideas and images (arts), so it transmits culture, but doesn’t necessarily make it (the content inside the TV isn’t made by the TV I think).

  179. Gilgamesh says:

    Well it’s a lot harder to control what your kids see on television than in print. The internet’s not much better but at least it allows for opposing viewpoints.

  180. Frank says:

    Women can’t even tell the difference between Edward Cullen and the actor who plays him.

    ROFL

  181. Cane Caldo says:

    @Matt King

    Is it your claim that their is rampant envy among the omegas, but relatively little among the alpha PUA’s? Is it not the case that both have piled envy upon lust; iniquity upon iniquity?

    No one said their hedonism wasn’t a big problem. You see a benign tumor as a stage-five malignancy that has destroyed the body. I see it as a wild-oats phase of boys being boys, not nearly so serious as you (or they) take it. Lust is nearest to heaven on Dante’s Seven Storey Mountain in The Purgatorio and merely second among the nine circles of The Inferno. Think on that while comparing it to envy’s considerably lower altitudes.

    Well, there goes nearly all the criticism of the cock carousel as something to be discouraged. Those girls are on the way to heaven! Whose side should I be on now: The lusty boys or the lusty girls? Why should lusty boys and girls fight each other? If they’re not fighting each other, then who, exactly, are the lusty PUA’s challenging, then? You’re not witnessing war. That’s coordinated movements. It’s intramural jockeying. They don’t call it sport-fucking for nothing. Your stated ecumenism is shown to be nothing but the same multi-culti inclusiveness that has nothing to do with He who wields a dividing sword, and holds a winnowing fan in His hand.

    I can’t believe you went to the old “Jesus hung out with prostitutes” line. Are you organizing a slutwalk, or a “seeker-friendly non-judgmental non-denominational church”? The notable point about those prostitutes is that they didn’t believe being a prostitute was good. Players do.

    And the genius of Christianity is that a man who claimed to be the Son of God, to be the source of life–to be God Himself–died, came back from the dead, and ascended into heaven. All this in front of witnesses. The ability to separate truth from half-truth is is pedestrian compared to the power over death.

    Not your best work, Matt.

  182. Asher says:

    @ Lyn87

    I wish you would respond to my points on how vastly gamers differ from feminists. You wrote:

    in God’s economy PUA = slut.

    God doesn’t have an economy and he doesn’t have a moral code; what He has is His Law and the full righteous judgment by that Law is not revealed to us until the end of time. Yes, we have his word that he give us that our puny minds can grasp a glimpse of that law but that glimpse is all we have. You simply can’t know the application and fullness of that judgement on this earth and are tasked with guarding your heart and those whom God has appointed you to guide and protect.

    Do you have daughers? The feminists want their soul, while the gamers just want in their pants. Do you have sons? The feminists want to destroy them, while the gamers couldn’t care less about them. That you fail to see the difference is dispiriting.

  183. Sexual Marxist says:

    “I strongly suspect that most of the stories are simply made up. ”

    Lady you have no idea. A few years ago I regularly watched “in field” videos and was shocked at how obviously staged many of them were. They don’t even try to make them look real by hiring extras to mill about and make it look like real life “day game”. One in an isolated park with one of the guy’s female cousin and her friends stands out in my memory as well as one in a supposed “bar” that had absolutely no one in it besides the PUA, his target and obviously the camera orbiter.

    “First off, the term “game” has been around a lot longer than the PUA community. ”

    African Americans have been using the term since at least the 1930s.

    I was watching a foreign film the other day about a group of Asian kids who were forming a band and they went to a producer to play and try to get signed under her label and she said, “Not original. You’re nothing but bunch of Asians copying Whites copying Blacks” which sums up the PUA/Game sub-culture perfectly. They also use the term “game theory” and “gaming” to refer to pick up theory and pick up tactics when “game theory” and “gaming” are terms used by the global video gaming culture. Can get confusing. What to speak of the fact that Mystery himself that he just analysed the female behavior around him and tweaked it a bit for the adoption and use of males. So PUA wannabes are copying;
    1. Women
    2. Decades long, old school African American jazz, pimp and dandy culture, and
    3. Video gamers

    Do these fools even know who or what the hell they are?!

  184. Full-Fledged Fiasco says:

    Dalrock, take a look at this shit.

  185. Matthew King says:

    Cane Caldo asked:

    Is it your claim that their [sic] is rampant envy among the omegas, but relatively little among the alpha PUA’s? Is it not the case that both have piled envy upon lust; iniquity upon iniquity?

    Yes, as we all have.

    Well, there goes nearly all the criticism of the cock carousel as something to be discouraged. Those girls are on the way to heaven!

    Sarcasm is no one’s “best stuff.” It’s lazy if not always wimpy/dishonest.

    You are over-reading my call for calibration. Virgins believe fornication is a particularly wicked sin because they have invested their lives in that idea. It has little to do with the actual seriousness of the transgression.

    I don’t think omegas are controlled primarily by envy, but that deadly sin is a key component of their identity, sublimated into trivial pursuits out of which they expect comparable respect. “Frank never excelled at athletics, but he picked up Klingon just like that! And he can name all 228 systems in the Federation.”

    Your stated ecumenism is shown to be nothing but the same multi-culti inclusiveness…

    A bizarre claim, given that I condemn the feminist and omega cultures with a special hatred. I want men to act like men. I have no desire for a world of relativism or non-judgment. I want allies with proximate aims to coordinate. Yes, as I strain to emphasize in just about every post: “sport fucking” is a problem. But it is not nearly so much of a problem as institutional, widespread encouragement of epicene cowardice (unmanliness). No one said to put the cads in charge. They can’t even keep charge of their own dicks. But their barbaric power can be directed toward good ends by a strong enough leader with a comprehensive understanding of the dynamic.

    I can’t believe you went to the old “Jesus hung out with prostitutes” line.

    It’s not a line. It’s a way of life to be imitated and brought into our current harrowing circumstances. You can sniff all you want at theological basics and think sophistication will suffice to gather souls to Christ. I am seeking a more practical modus operandi.

    I do think men, especially the leadership (or Platonic “guardian”) class, must become sin scientists, to draw upon the God of wisdom through Jesus Christ to become as subtle as Solomon. That will require a level of pedagogical sophistication, yes. But only as a way to embrace the facts on the ground, rather than explaining them away.

    Manosphere dwellers in the ghettoes of their own concern only see all the bad things that might happen with a broad rapprochement. On PUA boards they call me a preachy liar. On Christian boards they call me an agent of the devil. In life and in forums, the women are the most responsive of all. Because whatever little ideological niche you’ve carved out for yourself, we all intuit that in our Father’s house there are many mansions, and that he is “forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.” I therefore believe God is not slow about his promise as some count slowness. (2 Pet 3:9) Poke your heads up out of the category cubicles every now and then.

    You will find, as men, we are all striving for the same purpose, because “our hearts are restless till they rest” in God. We get caught up in finding the ways others are not Godly rather than attempting to learn about another’s manner of Godliness which we may have missed, convinced as we are that their mote is larger than our log. They will not stand to hear your condemnations until you gain their trust. But you will not be caught dead in the presence of prostitutes and publicans.

    So again I tell you, amen amen I say to you, let both wheat and tares grow together, and trust in the righteousness of the Lord’s final judgment. Ours is not to bring the kingdom; ours is to announce its coming. Ours is to fight the fight, not to be triumphant (2 Tim 4:7). We are not called to be victorious, but rather to proclaim that victory is already here for those ready to participate in it (1 Cor 2:9). Ours is not to win the race. The race has been won.

    You descend into hell, you go to the furthest place of God-foresakenness, you go where the sin is, with confidence in the surety of the Redeemer. Bring them the light — the beauty, the grace, the truth; not the law (John 1:17) — and let the Spirit do the rest.

    Matt

  186. greyghost says:

    Picking up ass is not that hard and when you are on it you can see a woman for the first time in your life and be fucking that same women in about 4 to 5 hours. (hit a club about 930 or so at about 10 to 11 see chick mack that ass and be at your place or hers fucking by 2 to 4 am) The videos are staged for training purposes to teach a beta and to give him a base line.( at least they are trying to teach a young man how to get pussy and not serve him up to the beast)
    The knock on game theory is wrong because it is a quantitative explaination on why something that is in the sexual psychology world actually works. More art than hard facts. Like the old porn joke about not being able to tell you what it is but I would know it was porn when I saw it thing.
    The PUA and players are who these waiting for marriage after you get an education or until you find the right person are fucking until they get to old for the PUA and players to want to fuck more than the next daddies little girl or femminist champion of empowerment shows up with her perky titties.
    Maybe the “good” men talking all of that shit about game need to get some so they can be captn save-a-ho and mack that pussy to christ and all that. A man needs to show leadership and agency there are no innocent good men. Women can blissfully ignorant to good behavior infact it is the only way now days by laws of misandry. Men don’t have that luxury never had it. Game is not pure or biblical. Game isn’t romantic it’s about love. No it isn’t and fuck you churchian man. You marry the way god said so and have faith and god will let you have the tingle. In todays world and laws that is how it is done any other crap is fantasy. And that (crap) includes playing churchian christian as a show of goodness.

  187. Random Angeleno says:

    Jesus told the prostitute to go and sin no more. He turned a much-hated tax collector into one of his apostles. He sought out ordinary men and raised them up to follow Him. He fashioned a whip from the materials on hand and chased the money changers from the temple. He told the Pharisees he didn’t come to bring peace. He knew good wine. God as Man didn’t hang out in Beverly Hills or Malibu soaking the rich and famous nor did he hide out in the synagogues on Ventura Blvd nor did he post on the blogs, he was in places like Pacoima, Venice and South Central proclaiming the Word. Three years and then they took him down for speaking Truth. Because it made many uncomfortable. Well that’s what Truth does, it’s not about happiness and light and making people comfortable. It’s about setting one free.

    Listen, the ultimate victory is ours. That is assured. How and when are not ours to know. Ours is to bring the Good News. Some of that Good News is not comfortable listening however. Which is why so many resist it.

  188. FuriousFerret says:

    About prostitute and sinners, the reason that Jesus hung out with them was that these were people with nothing to lose. Often times, these people are slammed into such circumstances and didn’t necessarily want to live in that environment.

    Think about it. Would you rather be a whore or a rich kept house wife? Sinners would listen. Rich people wouldn’t simply because their lot in life was too good for them to want to change. Now contrast that with today’s society. Who are the people that are unwilling to change the most? It’s the upper mid class white religious women/effeminate men. They are too damn comfortable in their moral superiority, wealth, status and traditions to actually listen. They have fantasy ideals about how life should be and won’t budge when smacked with the cold harsh truth.

    From my experience, the white church girl doesn’t even have any sort of understanding at all about honor or virtue. Her morality is simply a badge of pride to worn to be given something in return. God is simply a Genie that grants wishes such as jobs, husbands, mission trips, and attention. The religious men are even worse because they pussy worship this monster and make them in golden calfs. The whole damn modern church revolves around this concept. There is no more honor there is only religiousity with the horrible fact that they don’t truly want to do the right thing since their comfort is too great along with their elevated sense of entitlement and supposed moral superiority.

    The truth the person that is in the trenches can be reasoned with simply because he doesn’t live in a haughty fantasy world. When you have actually accepted, seen and done vile things, you simply won’t reject the truth. Sinners will at least listen, the upper establishment will not because they know they are sinners and they have seen sin. Delusions are swept aside because once you know something and it’s etched into your heart, it’s won’t go away.

    Take Edward Thatch. He knows right from wrong. He knows the score. He doesn’t deny it and say it should be one thing. It’s simply a reaction to a toxic environment. A reaction from a wolf and not a rabbit. One of the questions I have is if the girl was so chaste why the fuck did she not marry a dorky Christian beta? I think what he was saying was true. I think it applies to most church girls. The reason is because the church as destroyed every trace of masculinity, there actually were no men in her circle, only castrated shims. The horror of being married to a perversion is too much and they will run into the arms of something resembling a traditional man.

    I think that Matt respects the PUA more than the Omega simply because he takes decisive masculine action while the Omega slinks away into a delusional fantasy world and cowers with fear. It might not be the correct course according to King A but it’s far far better than hiding under covers and wishing the monsters went away.

  189. greyghost says:

    Furious Ferret
    outstanding

  190. 8oxer says:

    The article at roosh was written in a harsh style, but if you guys read beneath the snark, there are some good points to be made.

    I’ve read some pretty compelling comments on dalrock from Christian dudes who seem frustrated after one or two rejections. Women are never going to start asking guys out (not the women you guys want for wives and the mothers of your children, anyway). You guys need to be assertive. If you get rejected, there are thousands of other decent women to try your hand at next time. Go visit another church to practice if you want, then go back to your own church when you’ve got the moves down.

    Game is a good way to build confidence and learn how to flirt, but it’s only one way to do this. You guys who don’t like the concept of game can learn how to be more personable at toastmasters, ballroom dance lessons, or night classes in communications at your community college. Find the way that works for you, and get out there and start meeting these women. It’s only scary the first few times. After a while it becomes fun.

    Regards, Boxer

  191. Sexual Marxist says:

    Ton, “Y’all are seriously over estimating women who go on mission trips. My daughter left hers early. She said it was one big Christian hook up vacation.
    I do think the story is unlikely, but we also have to deal with the reality of church girls”

    Its not us who’s overestimating them, its the RoK blogger. He’s the one convinced the church gal he hooked up with was a virgin and he fell for the line, “I might regret sinning but I’ll never regret you.”

    Again, there are plenty of women, church and non, who are open to and/or living the casual sex lifestyle. It doesn’t take a special formula or “tight game” or “alpha aloofness” to get in their pants. They are already looking for casual sex encounters. All you need to be is within the general range of any given woman’s “casual sex partner type” – and you’re in!

  192. Well done FuriousFerret.

    I said earlier in this thread that the claims that Game practitioners make about human nature are either objectively true or objectively false. If nothing else, the most valuable lesson I learned in the manosphere was “Women too are affected by Original Sin.” It sounds banal when spoken aloud or put in writing. Isn’t the reality of Original Sin something all orthodox Christians accept? They say that, but their actions say otherwise. Dalrock has already done all the legwork of calling out Christian celebrities who excuse, apologize for, and rationalize away the poor decisions women make. Christian men continue to be white knights despite the evidence seen by their own lying eyes. They continue to hang their heads in shame while their wives rub circles on their backs during the pastor’s annual “Man up men!” sermon.

    Strictly speaking, Christianity has nothing to say to young men that will teach them how to make young women desperate to have their babies. Christianity’s mission is to show us the way to heaven. Your priest or pastor doesn’t necessarily know anything more about picking up chicks than the man in the moon. To the extent that Game is used as a means to the end of fornication, then the Church has something to say against it. Sure, Game can lead to the sin of pride among other things. Pretty much everything can be the near occasion of sin if we misuse it.

    Feminism is a subset of the heresy of liberalism (what Catholics might call modernism) and liberalism has infected entire Protestant denominations and national hierarchies in the Catholic Church. At its most basic level liberalism is about rebellion against God’s ordered and hierarchical creation. Women rebel against Biblical marriage. Men abandon their headship both over the home and the workplace. Game, whether Christian or not, is a reaction to this rebellion. To the extent that Game unplugs men from the Matrix, yanks them out of the cave, or whatever, it’s a good thing. Ultimately, the only way feminism and liberalism will be vanquished is when we all bend the knee at the name of Jesus once again. I won’t live to see it in this world but I hope to see him in the next.

  193. greyghost says:

    They are already looking for casual sex encounters. All you need to be is within the general range of any given woman’s “casual sex partner type” – and you’re in!

    You are right with this one. Now for a young man to know how to be that type. Tight game and alpha aloofness are catch phrases used in conversation on game. 8oxer approach in his comment is game. Add to that knowledge of what females find actractive identifying clues to the effects of your approach. (knowing when she is interested,sexually or emotionally arroused and ready to follow your lead. Submission)
    Just because she is a loose women, a slut ready to fuck doesn’t mean she will fuck anything. You still need to have some game (ability to arouse sexual attraction) some are easier than others but it is work that has to be done.

  194. Sexual Marxist says:

    “Just because she is a loose women, a slut ready to fuck doesn’t mean she will fuck anything. ”

    Of course not. You have to be her “type”. It has a lot to do with looks. Some like “tall, dark, handsome”. Some only go for a certain ethnicity such as their own or some other. Then within that ethnicity it will be narrowed down further by this or that type of physique. Some like biker guys or stereotypical biker-looking guys. Some like surfer or surfer looking types. Some like hipsters. Some like goths. Some like corporate looking types. Some like neo-hippies. There’s a million types. Gotta find the gal that likes what type you are.

    A few PUA blogs shut down in the last year with the bloggers writing that they realized that all the girls they managed to hook up with (not that many) didn’t hook up with them because of their “game” but because those girls were ALREADY attracted to them from the start, because they happened to fall within those girls’ type range. The cocky-funny banter and all the rest was just some fun time-kill in the interim, but those girls knew from the start that they’d be hooking up with those guys.

  195. greyghost says:

    Sexual Maxism
    That is right. That is why you get up off your ass and approach women in the first place. The cocky funny stuff maybe just something the guy has to do for his own psychology to sooth him. Giving him the ability to give the cue of confidence for the young lady to pick up on. If she was on his jock at first sight he still has to be able to carry the load. Don’t down play his role.

  196. Sexual Marxist says:

    Well these guys said they felt they’ve wasted years and money learning “game” techniques when all they had to do was approach and say hi. If they were her type, no matter what they said, cocky-funny or not, they’d still get her, so they felt they wasted a good chunk of their lives. They said the only useful think they learned was to approach a lot and approach often. That increases the chances of meeting girls whom you are in fact the type of. But they said all the other stuff like negs and aloofness and all that was b.s. They told guys to just start making eye contact and saying eye and as its a numbers game, eventually they’ll say hi to a girl who’s type they are. With those last words they shut down their blogs.

  197. Ton says:

    The Norse god who guards the bridge, I forget his name but it translates to the fairest of the fair. Albino, so much so he is blind. Making him black was a total anti White heritage PC move.

  198. FuriousFerret says:

    @Sexual Marxist

    Suppose all that is true. You know what the most important thing that Game teaches guys?

    That he is above her. That no pussy is to be placed on a pedestal. That women are driven by their emotions and you should treat her how she deserves to be treated not by what she wants. In essence, old school chauvinism.

    So even if a guy was to be himself and approach until he found a girl who liked him, he would still be a pussy at the end of day. So how is the bigger issues of straight men behaving as manginas solved exactly by advice?

  199. Cane Caldo says:

    @Random Angeleno

    I don’t know who your comment was directed towards, but I liked it.

  200. Random Angeleno says:

    @Cane Caldo, general discussion about Jesus sparked my comment. Glad you liked it. Gotta be in the world, but don’t have to be of it.

    @8oxer and others, this is going a bit off topic, but I can definitely recommend social dancing with partners. Including but not limited to ballroom, can also do latin dances, for instance, I like salsa and am pretty good at it. Dancing is good for opportunities to interact with lots of women. Main thing to understand about dancing with partners is that it only works one way: man leads, woman follows, that’s it, doesn’t work any other way. Man has to set his frame, this is a very masculine thing to do and women like it.

    Anyway, enough, back on topic. I like the “waif-fu’s” a lot better on the dance floor than anywhere else. They look most realistic and fetching there. Me likey that. A lot. Why would girls at a ballroom or salsa dance social want to lead when they would rather follow? But following requires men to lead. Oh wait, they’re trying to get rid of masculine male role models and replace them with masculine female role models?

  201. Cane Caldo says:

    @Sexual Marxist

    “They told guys to just start making eye contact and saying eye and as its a numbers game, eventually they’ll say hi to a girl who’s type they are. With those last words they shut down their blogs.

    What were their screennames/blogs?

    @Matt King

    We agree on many things, but here we see things differently. Somehow, you see that barbarian horde of cads as on a different team than the barbarian horde of sluts. Not only are on-again-off -again allies, but the manner of the former is a direct copy of the behavior of the latter. You seem to suggest we muster the Assyrians (cads) to deal with Syria (feminists), and traitorous Israel (feminists who go to church). According to man’s understanding this seems reasonable, but God is a jealous god. It’s one thing to seek shelter in a foreign country. It’s a whole something else to take up foreign ways.

    While with one hand you write that you do not prescribe this, with the other you encourage us to join their fight. Since their way of fighting is the pursuit of immoral sex, I can’t see how they ever defeat our supposed mutual enemy, as immoral sex is exactly what the sluts have on offer. That’s what makes them sluts. Where is the victory in that? Where is the redemption?

    @Ton

    Good to know about Heimdallr. It does seem to be a bit of PC machination.

  202. You know you’re in trouble when even fictional commercial genies are channeling the Spirit of Social Justice Future.

  203. Aszher says:

    @ Caldo Cane

    Just because a woman engages in sexual relations that have not been joined by God doesn’t mean she’s a feminist. Lyn87 was equating an indiidual engaged on casual sex with a prideful, selfish, rebellious ideology/movement.

  204. Perspective says:

    @FF
    “Who are the people that are unwilling to change the most? It’s the upper mid class white religious women/effeminate men. They are too damn comfortable in their moral superiority, wealth, status and traditions to actually listen. They have fantasy ideals about how life should be and won’t budge when smacked with the cold harsh truth.

    From my experience, the white church girl doesn’t even have any sort of understanding at all about honor or virtue. Her morality is simply a badge of pride to worn to be given something in return. God is simply a Genie that grants wishes such as jobs, husbands, mission trips, and attention. The religious men are even worse because they pussy worship this monster and make them in golden calfs.”

    I often hear sentiments like this expressed in the manosphere. I’m not trying to criticize your views, but what I find interesting and confusing at the same time, is that this criticism directed towards white females, often comes from men who not only strongly prefer white women, but in some cases, would never even consider marrying anyone who is not.I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with preferring to date or marry within your own race, but it just seems like a bit of paradox to be so critical of an entire group of people, and yet so desiring and attracted to them at the same time. I’m just curious about what kind of dynamic this makes between these men and women. And no, I’m not a troll, seriously just interested on the subject.

  205. Sexual Marxist says:

    @Furious Ferret

    “Suppose all that is true. You know what the most important thing that Game teaches guys?

    That he is above her. That no pussy is to be placed on a pedestal. That women are driven by their emotions and you should treat her how she deserves to be treated not by what she wants. In essence, old school chauvinism.

    So even if a guy was to be himself and approach until he found a girl who liked him, he would still be a pussy at the end of day. So how is the bigger issues of straight men behaving as manginas solved exactly by advice?”

    What does any of this have to do with what I wrote?

    “So even if a guy was to be himself and approach until he found a girl who liked him, he would still be a pussy at the end of day. ”

    Well, that is ALL he CAN do, isn’t? Attraction cannot be forced. He cannot *make* a woman like him or even give him the time of day.

    “You know what the most important thing that Game teaches guys?
    That he is above her. That no pussy is to be placed on a pedestal. ”

    Sure!
    Hours and days and weeks and years and entire lifetimes were/are spent reading, writing about, joining lairs to discuss, taking off from work to fly into sometimes even foreign cities to spend thousands of dollars of hard earned money to listen to “gurus” deliberate about WOMEN, all because these men DON’T put pussy on a pedestal.

    Mmmm hmmm. Suuuuure.

  206. I don’t think many comments will be posted after this,so let me add:
    i) All i see is MRA guys spreading more hatred.Providing counter arguments is OK upto certain point.Hatred generates even more hatred .So,where are the solutions?You have been here from last 10 yrs…
    ii) Have MRA guys really helped any man in distress?Was any help(legal,monetary,emotional) provided to sufferers of domestic abuse/fake rape/sexual harassment?
    iii) Have you ever organized regular meetings of members?Is this only internet movement where lot of cowards(including me) just type and post their hatred?
    iv) Have your voting made impact on election of candidates?
    v) Finally,why not to boycott MSM? It is not that difficult…
    vi) Why MRAs always try to isolate themselves further and further? Don’t they understand,building mass movements is not done in isolation.The world is not in 1500…Some issues do go beyond race,religion,language,countries…
    So i take my leave…i hope somebody will answer these questions

  207. greyghost says:

    The bottom line is with laws of misandry in place. There is no playing house and there is no by law male leadership. (i don’tthink there ever was, I think it was her submission he was just supposed to follow god, her submission allowed her to enjoy a godly man, the whole shit test thing was to see if he would follow her or god) Game and getting the pussy is all we have left. To “man up” in todays world is to change society to a place where a man can live without laws of miasndry.

  208. Lol Ton. A running joke with my friends.

    Heimdall, the whitest of the Gods. So white, he’s black!

  209. Mark Minter says:

    No comment here. So I have a joke instead.

    An old guy is out fishing in a rowboat on a picturesque lake. He hears a small voice.

    “Hey. Down here.”

    He looks around and then hears it again and looks down. On a lily pad is a frog.

    “Pick me up so you can hear me better”.

    The old reaches down, picks up the frog, and brings it close to his face.

    The frog says “I am princess but I was cursed by a wicked witch and she turned me into a frog. If you kiss me then you will free me from this spell and I will turn back into a beautiful princess and will stay with you forever”.

    The old guy drops the frog into his shirt pocket.

    The frog/princess screams “Didn’t you hear what I said. I will turn into a beautiful princess if you kiss me.”

    The old guy says, “At my age, I would rather have a talking frog”.

  210. “Picking up ass is not that hard and when you are on it you can see a woman for the first time in your life and be fucking that same women in about 4 to 5 hours”

    No offense to the person quoted, but isn’t that what Lyn87 was talking about? If you are banging a woman 4 hours after meeting her it’s because she’s a horny slut, not because you’re a master at pick-up.

    “You know what the most important thing that Game teaches guys? That he is above her. That no pussy is to be placed on a pedestal.”

    Come on, now. “Game” is all about putting it on a pedestal. It says “you have to totally remake yourself in order to give women what they want so they will sleep with you, because hooking up is the most important thing in the world.” I don’t want to be “cocky/funny” or count how many texts she sends me so I only reply to the “correct” amount or be aloof with someone I find interesting, and you can keep your secrets to passing a shit test because a woman like that isn’t worth the trouble.

    Look at Roosh, logging thousands of miles travelling from continent to continent desperately trying to find a country where it’s easy to get women into bed. That’s not pedestalizing? Ponce De Leon didn’t search that hard for the fountain of youth.

  211. Koretzca says:

    Study looks at single vs dual parenting and how it effects brain development. Surprise, surprise, two parents have a positive effect: http://healthland.time.com/2013/05/02/two-parents-are-better-than-one-for-brain-development/

  212. Cane Caldo: “What were their screennames/blogs?”

    I think he’s referring to University of Man, Alpha Persona, and Gmac.

  213. Cane Caldo says:

    @Aszher

    Just because a woman engages in sexual relations that have not been joined by God doesn’t mean she’s a feminist.

    Sure it does. Licentiousness is at the root.

    @TRP

    I think he’s referring to University of Man, Alpha Persona, and Gmac.

    Never read the last two, but I’m pretty sure Mentu of Uman wrote as Edward Thatch; same style, same vacillations, same hang-ups, same exit(s).

  214. Jeremy says:

    @Full-Fledged Fiasco

    That link opens up another line of reasoning I hadn’t considered. That is the plague small business destruction that divorce hath wrought. Has anyone quantified this? I’ll bet it’s non-trivial.

  215. OliviaNoble says:

    Hello, Dalrock, eight month female reader of your blog here. My younger brother just recently hit a low point in his life and relationships and really needs a basic introduction to red pill concepts. I was wondering, if it’s not too much trouble, if you could provide a list of five or so of your posts (I am a Christian so Roissy is out) that I could show him that might form a basic introduction. I find I agree with most of your and Athol’s stuff. He really needs it, my parents’ relationship dynamic is about as opposite of red pill as you can get and my mom encourages all of his worst tendencies. I was unsure of how to email you which is why I am posting here, sorry. Thank you for everything you do here, God bless you and your family.

    PS the email address I am using for this comment is currently inaccessible, if you could also respond on this thread or anyone else who has a good list of things for my bro to read that would be great. I don’t want to hijack this thread at all, so you can delete this comment if necessary and I will try to email Athol instead. Thank you!

    [D: I wrote Romance 101 as an introduction to the concept of game, and it has some links at the end. I don’t have a list of posts beyond this which comes to mind, but I suspect some other readers will have good suggestions. I would be careful not to overwhelm your brother in the beginning; it is easy to forget how counter to conventional wisdom the truth actually is. The Romance 101 post might be all you want to send him at first for that reason.]

  216. deti says:

    Olivia Noble:

    I’m not Dalrock but he gives me pretty much free reign around his place.

    Let me suggest you start at the tabs at the top of this page. Go to “Finding a Spouse” and read those posts, especially those on finding a prospective wife.

  217. eon says:

    OliviaNoble,

    This is a list of excellent articles, sorted by category:

    http://therationalmale.com/the-best-of-rational-male-year-one/

  218. Asher says:

    @ Cane Caldo

    Sure it does. Licentiousness is at the root.

    Both what feminists say about themselves and what the Bible says about sin put the lie to this assertion. Feminism, like all variants of liberalism, rejects anything that restricts human choice, whether god or nature.

    As for the Bible, Romans 1 says that they exchanged the truth of god for a lie and worshiped and served created things, and that, because of this, God gave them over to the depraved lusts for the degrading of their bodies with one another.

    Think of the First fall. What? Did Lucifer say “hey, I’m gonna score me some pussy”? No. He decided he could ascend to the throne of God, to become like the Most High. What about the Second fall? Did Adam say “ya know, bangin’ that pussy is pretty ballin’ but I want me some anal”, “strange flesh” is the earlier conversation about that phrase is taken to mean “anal”? No. Adam and Eve wanted access to knowledge that was not theirs to access and placed themselves in the position of God.

    The root of feminism is not lust but pride. The root of the gamer community is, at most, lust. Completely different things, and that you cannot see the difference is quite depressing.

  219. eon says:

    Dalrock,

    Now that I think about it, have you ever considered making a by-category read-in-this-order list of some or all of your articles?

    Your articles are excellent, but it can be difficult for an unfamiliar person to start reading at random and also not become confused, because he doesn’t see how everything fits together, here and in the manosphere in general.

  220. eon says:

    Make that “a person unfamiliar with these concepts”.

  221. Cane Caldo says:

    @Asher

    “The root of feminism is not lust but pride. The root of the gamer community is, at most, lust. Completely different things, and that you cannot see the difference is quite depressing.”

    Cheer up, buttercup! Deliverance for your sad state is at hand! You don’t seem to comprehend the meaning of the word “licentious”; nor do you seem to understand that sin is not just what is done, but what is desired. Furthermore, you give far too much credence to what folks say they mean, and not enough to what they actually say, or do. You are a fool if you think that revenge doesn’t play a prominent part. You’re a fool if you don’t recognize that pride is what powers lust. Licentiousness is the belief and behavior that the rules don’t apply to you; that your personal experience is what matters; that you’re above such considerations as good and evil; that you have license to do what you want….that you’re a special snowflake with desires that should not be thwarted.

    This is the way in which players, feminists, sluts, and hateful spinsters/omegas are really very much the same: They’re lawless barbarians. They have superficial decorations that separate them into their various tribes, but at base they are all Dark Triads. The only differences are which of the three categories they choose to nurse.

  222. Sexual Marxist says:

    “Feminism, like all variants of liberalism, rejects anything that restricts human choice, whether god or nature.”

    Actually the early feminists were considered prudes even back in their day. They were noble, religious ladies who often lectured and wrote about the destruction of society when sex and partying are giving vent to, and the higher, more spiritual and intellectual aspects of life are neglected. The ones who rejected marriage did so not so they could sleep around with a wider variety or higher quality of men, but so that they could dedicate their lives to those pursuits, as well as take a more active role in their local communities helping those in need.

  223. Martian Bachelor says:

    The root of feminism is not lust but pride. The root of the gamer community is, at most, lust.

    That’s ridiculous, Asher. Just criticize the gametards…. and ye will soon know their pride in all its vicious wrathfulness. zzlololzz

  224. Asher says:

    @ Caldo Cane

    With nonsense of the sort posted in your last comment the Reaction with go nowhere, and fast.

    nor do you seem to understand that sin is not just what is done, but what is desired

    I damn, well, know that, but what you don’t seem to grasp is that we have no way to assess what is “desired”, exception by what is done. Read your own damn Bible you blithering idiot – Man judges by the outward appearance but the Lord judges by the heart.

    you give far too much credence to what folks say they mean, and not enough to what they actually say, or do.

    This is just incoherent drivel. I’m pretty sure that when feminists, liberals, in general, say that they want to remove all shackles from human choice and “free” them from anything predetermined. Yep, when I look at what they advocate in terms of public policy … yep, they’re standing by what they say.

    You’re a fool if you don’t recognize that pride is what powers lust.

    Okay, now it seems you can’t read. I clearly noted that Romans talks about how abandoning God for false idols leads God to give peoples over to shameful lusts. But, it’s not exactly clear that pride is the root of all lust. Sure, if you want to frame “pride” as wanting something that isn’t rightfully yours to want then, yeah, pride is the root of all failings. That’s not, generally, how the term is understood and now you’re just playing word games.

    Further, it’s not, at all, clear to me that every single instance of extra-marital sex is primarily a product of lust. In which case, you now have to morally distinguish between fornication caused by lust and fornication caused by other factors. I mean is someone is lonely and directionless and gets drunk at a party with no real intention of getting sex and just happens to have a one-nighter is that really lust?

    This is the way in which players, feminists, sluts, and hateful spinsters/omegas are really very much the same: They’re lawless barbarians.

    Call like things, alike – Nietzsche

    Yeah, this is why the Christian side of the Reaction is so intellectually impotent. They see anything within the realm of harmful and yell “evil” and evil becomes one undifferentiated monolith that must be equally opposed at every point. So, some guy wants casual sex is no different from a powerful feminist political/intellectual figure who wants to abolish all permanent bonds between humans because such a thing is an insult to human dignity.

    Okay. Let me know when you’re able to differentiate between things that are different in this world

    They have superficial decorations that separate them into their various tribes, but at base they are all Dark Triads.

    The Dark Triad are personality traits. They are not things that people consciously choose and most people, including gamers and feminists, do not have any of the three. Hell, the vast majority of intentional gamers find game precisely because the don’t have any of these three traits.

    Stop trying to pretend you’re an intellectual, you’re really bad at it.

    The bottom line is that feminism is part of a very old line of thinking that calls evil good and good evil and the gamers are not any part of that movement. Lumping them together as “barbarians” is obscurantist and is a disservice to everyone.

  225. Asher says:

    @ sexual marxist

    Actually the early feminists were considered prudes even back in their day.

    The word “feminism” is just a word and those feminists are completely unrelated to liberal feminism.

  226. Asher says:

    @ Martian bachelor

    That’s ridiculous, Asher. Just criticize the gametards…. and ye will soon know their pride in all its vicious wrathfulness. zzlololzz

    We’re dealing with problems with how you’re using the term and translations from other languages. The term we use for pride in the Biblical sense is what the Greeks called hubris. Gametard reaction to opposing ideas is not rooted in hubris.

  227. Cane Caldo says:

    @Asher

    [“you give far too much credence to what folks say they mean, and not enough to what they actually say, or do.”] is just incoherent drivel.

    No, it’s not. This is a big deal because as much as people lie to others, they especially like to lie to themselves, and a series of lies is always confusing; even to the teller. Among those who acknowledge this, only a small percentage actually try to stop. The rest of that aware group decide it’s easier to get everyone else confused than it is to straighten themselves out. Sometimes this is very successful; even among people who we would think would be better skeptics. For example: “The Masculine Imperative is towards a harem.”

    Is it? Are harems the concept around which men have actually attempted to order society around? How do we know this except because a lot of players (and a lot of guys who read players) keep saying this is true? If what we do is the measure of what we believe, then shouldn’t the fact that monogamous marriage has been the norm since we’ve been keeping track of such things be weighted more heavily than what the outliers (kings, the supremely wealthy, extraordinarily savage tribes, etc.) have done? Why excuse such desires as, “That’s just the way I’m made!”, when only on such grounds can one man sodomizing another be excused as normal?

    Is the evo-psych foundation true? Is the fact that sperm are more prevalent than eggs actually a deciding factor in how men behave versus how women behave? More basically: Is biology master over behavior? Why aren’t babies born bipolar, or depressed, or even shy? If so, why bother learning anything? If Dark Triad traits are just “personality traits”, and if personality traits “just are”, and cannot be learned, then what are you doing espousing Game?

    On what basis do players–those who have “soft harems”–make statements about what all men want, thereby informing the masculine imperative? Are soft harems actually harems? In what sense is a timeshare in the slut population a harem? The girls aren’t owned by them; which is a defining trait of a harem. When one man talks about a harem in modern society, he does so for two purposes. One is to self-aggrandize; for self-esteem. Since their harems aren’t real, it’s a false narrative. The second is to make other men envious. Make no mistake: it is meant to inspire sin one way or another.

    Now, a real harem would be valuable (in some sense), but in addition to the lie that the slut timeshare is a harem…there’s the fact that it’s a timeshare. These players are kissing women that have held more hoses, tools, and wood than a Home Depot. They call it success and then attempt to teach others how to do this. When a guy writes a post on seducing a virgin church girl it’s explicitly to harm men, and to justify why he previously put his mouth where so many other men’s dicks had been. He’s attempting to justify why he sins against himself.

    “Hey, Game is just a natural socio-sexual response to the indicators of women!” So Adam said.

  228. Matthew King says:

    Asher wrote:

    Yeah, this is why the Christian side of the Reaction is so intellectually impotent. They see anything within the realm of harmful and yell “evil” and evil becomes one undifferentiated monolith that must be equally opposed at every point. So, some guy wants casual sex is no different from a powerful feminist political/intellectual figure who wants to abolish all permanent bonds between humans because such a thing is an insult to human dignity.

    Well and truly said.

    The sins of the players loom large in their minds because they have no understanding of that kind of life. They are outsiders looking in, seeing what they want to see, trying to separate the tares from the wheat.

    Jesus both empathized with the adulteress of John 8 and admonished her; he both kept her from (righteous!) punishment and rebuked her for her sin. Above all, he introduced her to the life altering power of forgiveness and redirected her wicked ways along an entirely new trajectory toward God. Early compilers found John 8 suspicious and many did not include it in the gospel account. It doesn’t jibe with what we want to hear from our savior, we the good elder brothers who did not sin like the prodigal.

    Whenever I criticize a wimpy Christian against the strengths of the pick-up artist, they imagine I am defending the pick-up life as a whole. Then they assail the elements of that sinful life which we both have problems with — the nihilism, the vengefulness, the pseudoscience, the idol worship — and consider my judgment as derivative of the most risible (and self-defeating) justifications for the PUA life.

    These are the men with the courage to pioneer the new counterculture. That alone makes them worth emulating and encouraging. The error of their childish philosophies is vincible. The ignorance of frightened Church men, who hiss at the very thought of assertive manliness in the dirty precincts where it flourishes surreptitiously, is invincible.

    Matt

  229. Sexual Marxist says:

    “The Dark Triad are personality traits. They are not things that people consciously choose and most people, including gamers and feminists, do not have any of the three. Hell, the vast majority of intentional gamers find game precisely because the don’t have any of these three traits.”

    They are PUAs and pua-wannabes. “Gamers” refers to video gamers.

  230. Sexual Marxist says:

    Mark Driscoll and his wife wrote a sex manual for Christians advocating anal sex on the “conjugal bed”.

    For the Disney connection to the NWO read here;

    http://theconspiracyzone.podcastpeople.com/posts/38033

    “Monarch Program coding (trauma/torture reinforcement) surrounding those MK’s used in the political realm is not as obvious as those in Hollywood or Music Industry…but can be plainly seen, IF you know what to look for because it’s a formula THAT NEVER CHANGES! Themes are occult-Masonic w/Disney overlays…Why? Because the two primary programming films are “The Wizard of Oz” and “Alice In Wonderland” Disneyland in California, Disney World in Florida used to be a primary programming centers. The Disney Family is a “bloodline” multi-generation Monarch family. “

  231. Asher says:

    @ Cane Caldo

    as much as people lie to others, they especially like to lie to themselves

    Yeah, I’m pretty sure that when feminists say that they want to reorder all human interaction from the ground up, I take them at their word. Yes, I do think they are lying when they say that men will be better off but, hey, justice is higher than any practical human considerations.

    Note, God’s Justice IS higher than any practical human considerations, but we humans don’t have access to that justice and are stuck with human justice.

    The bottom line is that this is a political issue and by refusing to distinguish between the roots and the symptoms of intellectual liberalism you are acting as an obstacle to effective, collective action.

    a guy writes a post on seducing a virgin church girl it’s explicitly to harm men, and to justify why he previously put his mouth where so many other men’s dicks had been.

    I see no evidence of any intent to harm men and there is simply not even a hint of justification in his posts. I know a couple of guys who are “natural” alphas; one of them justifies that he is always just dating one woman at a time and the other explicitly calls himself “a horrible person”. I see much more sheepishness than justification among players, gamers, cads, whatever. If you on a gamer site and argue with them they will interpret it as white knighting for feminists; they are doing what you are doing, which is to conflate two very different things.

    Personally, I’m dubious about just how far game can go but behavioral modification is definitely real and it is possible to learn to mimic some of the behaviors of the Dark Triad without having those underlying traits.

  232. Asher says:

    @ Matt King

    These are the men with the courage to pioneer the new counterculture. That alone makes them worth emulating and encouraging.

    I’m not sure I would go this far but I agree with much of what you write previously to this. Christian men are like fathers who have a young child, feminists are like wolves and players are like fleas. The modern christian man sees a wolf skulking toward his child and worries that the wolf might give the child fleas.

    Does not compute.

  233. OliviaNoble says:

    @Dalrock, Deti, Eon: Thanks, gentlemen!

  234. Sexual Marxist says:

    “I know a couple of guys who are “natural” alphas; one of them justifies that he is always just dating one woman at a time and the other explicitly calls himself “a horrible person”. I see much more sheepishness than justification among players, gamers, cads, whatever. ”

    Natural alphas and PUAs are two entirely different animals.

    Plus, there really is no such thing as an “alpha male” in the post-industrialized West;

    ” It’s for these reasons I specifically called my self-improvement series The Renaissance Man series and not The Alpha Male series. The choice of terms was very deliberate and the two concepts are not interchangeable. Because I think telling the average middle class man that alphadom is attainable or even desirable while remaining in middle class status is the biggest crock of shit going on today. The best thing for a middle-class man to be in today’s society is not a true, pure alpha but a blend of the best aspects of an alpha male and the best aspects of a beta male, with the trappings of neither. A Renaissance Man.”

    http://therawness.com/the-myth-of-the-middle-class-alpha-male-part-2-2/

  235. greyghost says:

    Sexual Marxist
    This is an alpha male. Do not try to put anything into it. This guy is dong the lods work. He brought real world consequnces to two sluts. Something every one that claimed to love them failed to do honoring the feminine imperative.http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/07/29/chicks-dig-jerks-game-is-its-own-status/

  236. Asher says:

    @ sexual marxist

    youre sorta missing the point which is the error of refusing to distinguish between wolves and fleas. You don’t want either around your kid but the consequences are rather different.

  237. Sexual Marxist says:

    “This is an alpha male.”

    Roissy always uses black men as examples of both alpha males he wishes he could become and the lowest most useless dregs of society he despises. An interesting love-hate affair going on there in his little mind.

  238. Jeremy says:

    Dalrock wrote:

    …I would be careful not to overwhelm your brother in the beginning; it is easy to forget how counter to conventional wisdom the truth actually is.

    Yes, this. I have no idea how to speak to any of my immediate family members about this. It actually feels like I’m building to a serious confrontation, not that that would be unhealthy.

  239. greyghost says:

    I never really looked at it as a black male thing. I’ll see if I can find you a douche bag. And give it another try.

  240. Sexual Marxist says:

    Gilgamesh, “Well it’s a lot harder to control what your kids see on television than in print.”

    Throw the TV out then.

    Beef, “Strictly speaking, Christianity has nothing to say to young men that will teach them how to make young women desperate to have their babies. Christianity’s mission is to show us the way to heaven. Your priest or pastor doesn’t necessarily know anything more about picking up chicks than the man in the moon. ”

    Yep!

    8oxer, “Game is a good way to build confidence and learn how to flirt, but it’s only one way to do this. You guys who don’t like the concept of game can learn how to be more personable at toastmasters, ballroom dance lessons, or night classes in communications at your community college. Find the way that works for you, and get out there and start meeting these women. It’s only scary the first few times. After a while it becomes fun. ”

    This. It appears that some commenters here like deti and not a few others were raised in sheltered religious environments where they were told lies about human sexuality and now they are angry and blame the world, as well as blame men like me who were never fed such lies or who if were fed, didn’t swallow.

    So they “discover game” and think that’s the only alternative to being a prissy, robotic altar boy. What they missed out on by living a normal, balanced secular life is the huge range of possibilities in between. I never needed game or manipulation to get a girlfriend. I crushed on some girls who didn’t like me back but I also met a few who did. When that happened, BANG! I got a girlfriend.

    I didn’t grow up ashamed of my sexuality or under the impression that women were pure, virginal angles who only wanted to be wives and mothers and then one day logged onto the internet to find out women wanted sex and relationships with men they were actually attracted to. I always knew that. Why? Because they’re human, like me. That means they want sex with sexy people too.

    How is this something new or revolutionary or warranting a gasp of shock?

  241. greyghost says:

    So they “discover game” and think that’s the only alternative to being a prissy, robotic altar boy. What they missed out on by living a normal, balanced secular life is the huge range of possibilities in between. I never needed game or manipulation to get a girlfriend. I crushed on some girls who didn’t like me back but I also met a few who did. When that happened, BANG! I got a girlfriend.

    I didn’t grow up ashamed of my sexuality or under the impression that women were pure, virginal angles who only wanted to be wives and mothers and then one day logged onto the internet to find out women wanted sex and relationships with men they were actually attracted to. I always knew that. Why? Because they’re human, like me. That means they want sex with sexy people too.

    How is this something new or revolutionary or warranting a gasp of shock?

    In todays society of misandry for anything male. And being raised in a female headed household,church,school,court house military etc. no man is ever taught or even thinks what you just commented. You justy commented on what natural game looks like.

  242. Michael says:

    Hey everyone,

    I had another Spinster hit on me in the grocery store. No wedding ring. Blonde. Pretty face. You could tell she was hot at 24. In the past she never had to lift a finger. Her basic attempt must have felt like a huge effort

    It must be hard for them getting rejected by guys their own age. I actually felt sorry for her.

  243. Sexual Marxist says:

    “In todays society of misandry for anything male. And being raised in a female headed household,church,school,court house military etc. no man is ever taught or even thinks what you just commented. You justy commented on what natural game looks like.”

    No dude, ALL my friends, whether sons of single moms or not, were raised like this. If you were raised to be ashamed of human sexuality, its most likely you were raised in a religious household, which it appears most of the readers of this blog were. That’s fine, I’ve nothing against it, but it does seem like you guys were very sheltered.

    “You justy commented on what natural game looks like.”

    No game. Mainstream, secular American life.

    “I had another Spinster hit on me in the grocery store. ”

    What did she say? I don’t think I’ve ever had an older woman hit on me. Not that I’d shy away from it if she was hot.

  244. greyghost says:

    Ok

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  246. kios says:

    Asher: culture is more about uniformity than difference. Thats why the Asian cultures generally have a stronger culture than the U.S. Individuality leads to atomisation and then fragmentation of the social body.

    Im not suggesting that synthesis between the two can not be achieved, but the Anglosphere is nowhere near close, despite what so many Americans think.

  247. Michael says:

    @ greyghost.

    I read the story you just posted. I’m choosing not to believe it. It read like a wanna be fiction. There was too much detail for the story to be real.

    A women cannot have a “connection” (they claim they so crave) with the type of guy described in the story. If I have to be constantly be someone I’m not, some intentionally aloof, 2D, puffed up, stiff necked jackass – just to get good sex, I would rather have nothing. I will just exercise, surf, scuba dive, drink responsibly, clean my house, play Playstation 3 and start popping pills.

    I only “joined” this “man sphere” a few months ago and I’m tried of this bullshit. Every read feels like an uphill climb.

    Will God forgive me if I just hire an escort?

  248. Michael says:

    @ Sexual Marxist

    “What did she say? I don’t think I’ve ever had an older woman hit on me. Not that I’d shy away from it if she was hot.”

    -Right. Then you must be defective. Physically unattractive, or fiscally poor. Since you would not shy away from receiving the leftover garbage. She was another mid-late thirties women with that ‘look’ in her eyes who was ridden hard by anywhere from 20-100+ different guys. But hey, no big deal. I mean as long as you have a place to stick it right?

    I live in Los Angeles. It’s the Spinster capital of the United States. I personally average being hit on by these women 18-24 times a year. And it’s driving me insane. I don’t shy away. Far from it. I answer this women in a smart ass, snide, condescending dismissive manner EVERY time this happens to me. And then get upset she wasn’t in her 20’s. ALL of these women are in their thirties or older. Half or more are former hot-ties.

    Have at it pal. With guys like you ready to slurp up the jerks leftovers, these women can be as feminist, immoral, contributing to the continued decline and de-fragmentation of our society as much as they damn well please, They will feel zero consequences.

    Why? Because a pathetic sucker like you – who needs a place to dip his wick, will always be on their back burner reinforcing the illusion they are still desirable leading to the next step of marrying their banged out holes, siring their children, and paying their bills.

  249. GKChesteron says:

    @Cail,

    It’s not odd that little girls want to be princesses, but it is odd that parents let them walk down the street like that. The little girl was wearing heels to pre-school.

    Go take this to your blog…link here…and turn it into a post.

    @Random Angeleno,

    …on dancing…

    Waaaaaaaaay back in elementary school they they did folk dancing every couple of weeks. Now their was no “leading” as we were all pretty crappy and that sort of dancing doesn’t need it. However, there was frequent random pairing which I do think helps young guys get over their nerves. I never followed up on that and learned ballroom dancing as I got older. I view that as a very serious lapse and I’m fairly set on sending my son to dance lessons especially after reading this. There is a reason young noblemen were supposed to know how to dance…

    In fact I think dance, with it’s stylized roles, is a place where otherwise fine betas and their wives can learn to “work right”.

    @Ton,

    You are right on Heimdall. I’ll also go so far as to disagree with Cane on the universality of any Pagan pantheon. They are “gods of a place” and therefore _shouldn’t_ take up another places people. That’s one of the things that allowed paganism to be crushed by Christianity and Judaism (which was very widespread in the Roman Empire prior to being replaced in numbers by Christianity). I want a white Odin in the same way I want a black/aramaic Ra (North Egypt was a bit of a melting pot…).

    @Sexual Marxists,
    Actually the early feminists were considered prudes even back in their day. They were noble, religious ladies who often lectured and wrote about the destruction of society when sex and partying are giving vent to, and the higher, more spiritual and intellectual aspects of life are neglected.

    Spot on. There are two errors about sexuality and feminism, depending on the times it is set in, tries to straddle both.

  250. Mikediver says:

    Ashur:
    Do you have daughers? The feminists want their soul, while the gamers just want in their pants. Do you have sons? The feminists want to destroy them, while the gamers couldn’t care less about them. That you fail to see the difference is dispiriting.

    This is the whole point in one paragraph. Kudos.

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  254. thordaddy says:

    Two points:

    “Feminism” = devout dyke “nature.” Such that, females who embrace “feminism” (devout dyke “nature”) are severely stunted and may never reach true womanhood.

    “Single motherhood,” as in mothers who raise their children singlehandedly, is a nonexistent phenomenon. In fact, mothers who are voluntarily “single,” more often than not have multiple persons helping them raise their children from close family members all the way up to the State apparatus.

  255. bob says:

    “THE PRAYER OF THE REPENTANT SISTERHOOD OF DA SORE BUTTHOLEZ”

    I usually consider GBFM to be a complete, total, unreclaimable waste of time – but that particular ode was brilliant.

  256. robinbreak says:

    @Michael

    “I only “joined” this “man sphere” a few months ago and I’m tried of this bullshit. Every read feels like an uphill climb.

    Will God forgive me if I just hire an escort?”

    First of all, even if the story might be fictional, I know tons of stories like that. That shit is true.

    Second, nobody is telling you must “change” in order to get good sex, but you do need to “socially improve” in order to get good sex… and I’m not talking about becoming a jerk… that will actually not get you any sex because you’re not a jerk and girls will call your bluff immediately.

    Third, I’ve personally come to the conclusion that hiring an escort is just fine. I’ve never done it and I am doubtful I will do it. But I have no problem to admit that hiring an escort is just the easiest solution to a problem someone else created (–girls behaving the feminist way–). So fuck them, this is on them. Of course there are other better solutions… But I don’t blame guys that hire an escort because of their lack of intimacy with the opposite sex. That is what feminists do.

  257. mackPUA says:

    @Robinbreak

    Excellent explanation of game

    Yeah its social change, changing yourself while necessary it has to happen sooner …

    What makes me laugh about guys like michael

    They realise they have a problem, that theyre not alpha enough, but they refuse to do anything to fix the problem … because they have to change as a person to fix the problem … lol

    Guys like michael really dont get it ….

    If you have a problem & the only way to fix it is to change yourself … it usually means YOU are the problem …

    You have to realise YOU are the problem, precisely because you’ve been told to be a character in the 1950’s, instead of the cut throat world of 2013+ …

    What people like michael dont realise is …

    THEY WILL have to make those changes anyway … as they connect with the cut throat world of 2013+ they will be forced to make those changes anyway

    It’s all about being prepared for the bullshit from women & the society which will hate you for not being an alpha asshole

  258. mackPUA says:

    @Orion

    “If men do not react to visual stimuli, how come that porn is such a big industry?”

    Put up a picture of a hot 30 year old & a hot 20 year old

    Men will always go for the the 20 yr old

    Feminists use visual stimuli BS to paint men as shag anything lamp posts

    Visual stimuli is just the first stage of a mans highly complex process of attraction … even more complex then a womans

    THAT is what the feminists dont want you to know … men are far more biologically more complex & intelligent then women … most feminists dont want you to know that basic concept

  259. mackPUA says:

    The problem with most women biologically & a major problem for society, is womens lack of variety in men

    It’s this lack of variety, which causes most women to discard over 80% of men & divorce 70% of their marriage’s

    Womens lack of sophistication & their simplistic caveman approach to fitness, discards & throws away huge proportions of men

    THIS is what feminists DONT want you to know

    Which is WHY they call men as visual stimuli, shag anything lamp posts …

    Its all about shifting away the blame away from womens ridiculously simplistic & poor lack of variety in men

    IE., Men dont go for blondes … blondes only go for men highly visible in a social circle, giving the impression of most men going for blondes

    What most women dont want you to know, are the hundreds of men women discard getting to that highly visible socially aloof asshole

    The divorce rate, is basically a vocalisation of the hundreds & thousands of men left to rot by society

    Womens lack of variety is a huge danger to society

  260. mackPUA says:

    @Dalrock can you delete the above two posts, I posted them in the wrong section

    thnx

  261. Christina says:

    Interesting take on this …

    I’ve seen some of Sofia the First (my son likes it, too… but I try not to let him watch it often). I was impressed that the mother cultivates a lady-like attitude in her daughter – “A princess does not…”

    I kinda saw an eschewing of the Entitled Princess Syndrome. I saw more of “If you want to be a princess, you should behave like one.” I could be wrong =/

  262. Christina says:

    Ok… I came over here for a different reason than to comment on Princess mentality in modern media…

    I was looking for an e-mail address to ask for some good posts for a 21-year-old young man (my brother). Is there any way of contacting you outside of the blog?

  263. mackPUA says:

    @Christina

    If you dont get a response goto athol kays forum & make a post there …

  264. Micha Elyi says:

    Pastor Mark Driscoll endorses single mothers as good prospects for marriage (H/T holyhandgrenadeofantioch):

    Single guys: don’t overlook the single moms. Jesus’ mom was a single mom & it went pretty well for Joseph.

    Some “pastor” Mark Driscoll is, if he knew the Gospels he’d know Mary and Joseph were already married. That’s why when Mary turned up pregnant but not by him, Joseph considered quietly divorcing her (Matthew 1:19).

  265. BradA says:

    Christina, point him here and have him read the posts that seem relevant. Dalrock does quite a bit of cross referencing too, so he should find plenty to read. Some of it depends on the exact point. My son couldn’t handle the little he read here and quickly shut it even while his marriage falls apart in front of him and I believe he is enabling stupidity on the part of his wife. He had huge flaws in the past, but now he is aiming for the beta zone in my view. The outcome is unlikely to be good.

    Micha,

    They were bound to each other, but I do not believe they had the right to engage in sexual relations with each other. That would be why the Jewish leaders claimed that He was born of fornication in a confrontation with him.

    It would violate the promise of a “virgin” if they could have had sexual activity within the law.

  266. Logic says:

    I don’t believe the premise behind “Sofia the First” is bad: the poor single mother remarrying (and a king no less). It’s fantasy, yes, but it’s also affirming in its own little way that single mothers can move on and have normal married lives – and that there are strong, compassionate men who love children and are willing to be a father figure to children that they did not sire. In our society, where single motherhood is rampant, we need positive messages like this that single mothers can move on and successfully integrate with traditional society. There are too many single mothers out there to brand them with some kind of stigma and assume they cannot join “the rest of us.” That would run counter to the forgiveness that the Great Teacher so often spoke of. And it would put so many children at risk for all the maladies that single-parent households can unfortunately create.

    I don’t agree with teaching that boys are “bad” though. That reeks of sexism. American society seems preoccupied with various “isms.”

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