Vox explains Dalrock’s Law

Vox Day explains a key reason behind Dalrock’s Law in his post Alpha Male: the magic preference (emphasis mine):

Read between the lines. All women should try it at least once… because that will make this long-haired woman more attractive by comparison. And more importantly, note that women will readily say anything, no matter how ridiculous, in their attempts to get you to submit to their frame. The most effective way to deal with this is ask for explanations about their reasoning, which will of course rapidly reveal that it is sheer rhetorical nonsense.

In this case Vox is responding to a recent commenter on an old post of his explaining that short hair on women is less attractive than long hair.  This is one of those posts which continues to bring women out of the woodwork in desperate attempts to rebuild the mound.  This same thing continues to occur on my old post Are Women Done With Men After Age 55.  I wrote that post two years ago and yet it it is still one of the most visited posts on the blog.  As I write this it is the (current) 5th most popular post even though I haven’t linked to it in over a year.  Like Vox’s post stating the obvious on long hair, it continues to draw angry worker ants frantically trying to rebuild the frame.  My personal favorite comment on that post is where a woman wrote about a 79 year old “complete knockout” she knows who is about to marry a doctor (emphasis mine):

Sorry, but looks do matter to women. I also disagree that men age better than women. At least not the women I know. Meanwhile, these are not “frat boys” these women acquaintances and friends of mine are dating. These are guys close to them in age (in some case a few years younger), and these guys are successful, without exception. So they’re not looking for “sugar mamas.” Case in point, my mom has a widowed friend who is 79, is a complete knockout (she goes to a gym six days a week) and is about to marry a doctor. They have known each other since they were teenagers and he always had a crush on her, which did not diminish with her age. It certainly seems to bother you that some women actually have not been put out to pasture, and refuse to see themselves as “washed up” and undesirable. As I said earlier, how you see yourself determines how the world sees you, regardless of your age, looks or gender. So sorry if I don’t buy into your ageist, misogynistic BS. P.S. – There are worse fates than winding up with a cat. It beats winding up with some loser guy.

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162 Responses to Vox explains Dalrock’s Law

  1. okrahead says:

    Anyone who says there are worse fates than ending up with a cat – has already ended up with a whole slew of cats. Spin on oh mighty hamster!

  2. Because one outlier 79-year-old knockout (even if true) makes the rule, of course.

    She would have done better to quit a couple of sentences earlier. If these women are so awesome, why is “winding up with a cat” even in the picture?

  3. I need to make absolutely sure I was reading something correctly. Did a woman attempt to argue that a lady on the cusp of octogenarian-hood is “knockout” attractive?

    Now, when I’m in a charitable mood, I’ll say women can look attractive to average men even to the point of perhaps 55 years of age—with their clothes on. But somebody who has another quarter of a century on that? 25 more years of sag? 25 more years of liver spots? 25 more years of bodily decay?

    Heidi Klum is 39 and even with the aid of natural good looks and a ton of makeup was looking sunken-eyed and saggy at the Elton John Aidstopia event in February. Now double that age and try to picture what she looks like. And that’s a super-model at age 80.

  4. greyghost says:

    A 79 year old knock out, Huh? Cisco is not a wine cooler honey. http://www.bumwine.com/cisco.html

  5. @ karamozov

    I can only guess that the woman sitting as judge of this is doing two things. Because otherwise it doesn’t make sense

    1. Comparing the older women only to older women. In comparison they very well may start looking better and better. Sadly for her, men are comparing the older women to every woman over the age of 18, quickly shattering the comparison in the eyed of the one whos opinions matter – potential male husbands

    2. She’s reading signs of sass and strong woman as signs of attractive attributes. Shes applying what would be attractive to her to the women. Unless they’re all lesbians, doubtful that this is a useful indicator of female beauty.

  6. The Scolds' Bridle says:

    Sounds like a tall tale from a wrinkled old spinster.
    If women were so successful at finding love later in life, there would not be endless editorials attempting to shame men back into the dating and marriage market.

    Instead the endless chant of where have all the good men gone has become a monotonous dithyramb of female disappointment.

    I think that women’s strange duality of response to this issue can be explained by something akin to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle:

    When women believe they are not being observed by men, they unleash the full energy of their despair and anguish. This occurs on feminist blogs and sites like Slate where women’s solipsism makes them forget that men will be reading as well. Their guard is down, and they reveal their soft underbelly (softer than normal of late, I might add).

    But, once a man comments on the blog post, editorial, or dares to write a blog himself, the female has now been observed and her position and behavior change. Suddenly the entire landscape is filled with nothing but engagements to doctors and trysts with college men. So what’s your problem, loserrrr?

    I am certain that the “strong independent woman” front, and keeping up the illusion of romantic success is emotionally exhausting for these women, who undoubtedly retreat to their condos at night to recharge their willpower, fueled by ice cream and cats.

    As a man, you should never forget that as you walk through life, much what you see in women is nothing more than a Potemkin village. A proud but false front, which could be toppled by the merest breeze.

  7. WWW says:

    my mom has a widowed friend who is 79, is a complete knockout (she goes to a gym six days a week) and is about to marry a doctor

    Am I the only one who finds this creepy? Nearly eighty, and she’s down the gym six days a week? She cites this with approval, apparently not regarding it as aberrant in the least.

    Our sick modern age. …And sick modern women.

  8. DerHahn says:

    Key line – “They have known each other since they were teenagers and he always had a crush on her”

    In other words he very likely developed “relationship googles” in the same way a married guy’s view of his wife as she ages is influenced by his memory of how she looked when they first met.

  9. The Scolds' Bridle says:

    “Key line – “They have known each other since they were teenagers and he always had a crush on her”

    In other words he very likely developed “relationship googles” in the same way a married guy’s view of his wife as she ages is influenced by his memory of how she looked when they first met.”

    Sooo, in other words, she is allowing the last of her beta orbiters to finally come home after spending his entire adult life in space?

    Really, it is a sign that she finally recognizes that she has wrung the last of her sex appeal out of her life, and there is no harm in finally bringing the last LJBF home.

    Just like a time-traveler who comes home to find his civilization long gone, so too will he notice that her ass is not the pert, comely appendage it once was.

    Lots of people walk through the ruins of ancient Rome or Greece and comment on how “beautiful” they are. They’re RUINS, you fools. The only reason they say it is because they were not there to behold the original splendor.

    If you could wake an ancient greek from the dead and have him tour the parthenon, he’d surely say “what have you done to this place”?? And why have you not torn it down?

  10. Robert in Arabia says:

    Hitler’s only defect was that he was not a cat person.

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    alpha f&#ks and beta bucks
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    da butthexting cockass we f&#ks and sucks
    and in our anuthes it doth deosul
    alpha f&#ks and beta bucks
    it is da way of da fed
    to transfer assetss to dose who butthext
    cuckold dose who pay for our bread
    beta bucks and alpha f&#ks
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    da assetts from betas we plucks
    after da alphas desol us through our hole for poo
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    cuckold da betas cockhold da alphas
    datsz what day taught us in mba grad school
    as da feiisnsits see no truth nor justice in their laws
    and say da great books for menz was all fools.
    yes, yes, i did very good on my gmats
    dey bernenakifed my soul away, left me with cats

    zlzlzzozozozo

    well, now we learn
    better a cat
    than a beta!
    especially when
    ben bernanke
    can tax da beta
    and give us his moneyz
    to feed our catsz
    and bastard childrenz

    zozlzzo
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    another GBFM cat reference form tHE MATRIX:

    Neocon sees a black cat walk by them, and then a similar black cat walk by them just like the first one]
    Neocon: Whoa. Déjà vu.
    [Everyone freezes right in their tracks]
    Trinity: What did you just say?
    Neocon: Nothing. Just had a little déjà vu.
    Trinity: What did you see?
    Cypher: What happened?
    Neocon: A black cat went past us, and then another that looked just like it.
    Trinity: How much like it? Was it the same cat?
    Neocon: It might have been. I’m not sure.
    Morpheus: Switch! Apoc!
    Neocon: What is it?
    Trinity: A déjà vu is usually a glitch in the butthexMatrix. It happens when they change something. Now that I am an aging women in the butthex matrix with her eggs and gina drying up having given the best years of her anus to drunk alphas during her college desouling years via massively multiplayer asscockig in the butt sessions and getting her fiat mba (masters of butthexing in da Anus) and blowing upper level mangement lzozllz, the butthexmatrix is now delivering my cats. Two this morning and now two more. yaya! lozlzl

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  12. pavetack says:

    @The Scolds’ Bridle –

    Hmm, Well-to-do retired Doctor and statistically likely to die in the next few years? Marriage Material!

    I don’t find it creepy that she’s at the gym 6 times a week – it may be a big part of the reason she’s still out hunting!

  13. “how you see yourself determines how the world sees you, regardless of your age, looks or gender”

    Magical thinking at its purest.

  14. WillBest says:

    Well Ann Romney looked better than most 50 year old women and she is 65. So I assume we are grading on some sort of curve here.

    DerHahn is right. Rose goggles because he remembers her from back when she wouldn’t give him the time of day. Doctor is basically living out his high school fantasy.

    PS. Heidi Klum, and pretty much any high end model are disgusting looking if they don’t have an engineering team making them look pretty. They have boy figures and manjaws

  15. Eih says:

    This is also why, if we see beyond a critical number of women in leadership discourse will fail and emotional preponderance will reign.

  16. Elspeth says:

    Am I the only one who finds this creepy? Nearly eighty, and she’s down the gym six days a week? She cites this with approval, apparently not regarding it as aberrant in the least.

    Yes WWW, it is aberrant I have to agree. A few years back I was highly impressed with this woman:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/14/ernestine-shepherd-worlds_n_1884286.html

    Truth is that she is pretty impressive by any standard. Then I read about her husband of 50-odd years, who basically supports her body building career, making meals and such for her. How supplicating it sounded to me. I suddenly realized that it wouldn’t be worth it to me even if I could put in the time and energy to look like that at 60 (forget 75, I want to be doing things more conducive to being a grandmother or great grandmother by then).

    When women talk about this stuff, they are usually talking in comparison to other women the same age. The average 40-year-old-if she’s sane- could care less if a 20-year-old man finds her attractive. I think of 20-year-olds as I do my children, LOL.

  17. imnobody says:

    If only could I have a 79 y.o.woman, my life would be happy. But I can’t. Oh, cruel fate of people like me, who can’t attract the hottest women. Only super-duper-alphas like George Clooney can have these 79 y.o. hotties.

    But I can’t. I CAN’T. Why, oh Lord, do you torture me like that? I have to go back to life with twenty-somethings and thirty-somethings. Such a bleak existence

  18. Elspeth says:

    It is utterly ridiculous to assert that a 79-year-old is hot or that the average young man is interested in remotely interested in an older woman.

    I don’t know what that commenter hoped to accomplish by posting that. And here, of all places.

  19. sunshinemary says:

    how you see yourself determines how the world sees you, regardless of your age, looks or gender.

    Hey, that’s neat, I did not know that reality was so malleable.

    I am seeing myself as Giselle Bundchen now.

    Is it working? *I hope so!* But – why do I still have these stretch marks?

  20. Frank says:

    …how you see yourself determines how the world sees you, regardless of your age, looks or gender.

    Gospel of Oprah, 14th Edition (Revised)

  21. sconzey says:

    He still has a crush on her after 60 years? That’s some serious one-itis.

  22. Frank says:

    I just noticed the huge drop in never married women, basically from 80% at 20-24 to merely 20% in at 30-34 (in the men after 55 post). WOW. I guess I better go back for my masters and hit the college campuses again IYKWIMAITYD.

  23. Elspeth says:

    Gospel of Oprah, 14th Edition (Revised)

    Indeed it is. A spirit of delusion has gripped a good percentage of American women. I think I will join SSM, imagine myself as Sanaa Lathan, and see if it works.

    Nope, didn’t work for me either.

  24. anonymous says:

    He still has a crush on her after 60 years? That’s some serious one-itis.

    Last time I checked, that’s how marriage was SUPPOSED to work. That’s what oneitis is for.

  25. Passingby says:

    “Because one outlier 79-year-old knockout (even if true) makes the rule, of course.”

    There is not now, nor has there ever been, a 79 year old knockout.

  26. anonymous says:

    If my wife looks like that at 79, I’ll be stoked. Yee haw.

  27. goodfoot says:

    It’s possible to look that good in your old age, but it definitely isn’t the norm. My friend catcalled this chick, saying she was a MILF. Apparently she was 24, lol. These women are delusional.

  28. Elspeth says:

    Anon, my husband would be stoked too. However he would not be willing to his sacrifice time with me, my time with our kids nor eating my fabulous baked goods for the sake of it. Everything comes with opportunity costs, as I’m sure you know.

    So he settles for a reasonably fit wife. Mrs. Shepherd’s photos can be inspiring, though.

  29. Sometimes, Dropit gets in arguments he probably shouldn’t. I have been WAITING for someone to mention, or even LOOK like they were mentioning dalrock’s law, because this gem was just amazing:

    WHITE KNIGHT ALL-STAR:I’m not the ‘alpha male jock bro dude’ you all seem to be aspiring to but somehow I’ve never been without a relationship, in my teen years or early twenties or now. I just came out of a five year relationship and am in another very fulfilling relationship already. All these women have said they liked me because I’m kind, intelligent, compassionate and caring

    Dropit:I’m happy for you. Did you tell your girlfriend that you like her because of her tits? And if you don’t, would you have talked to her if she didn’t have them?

    WKAS:TIL you can’t both find somebody attractive and respect her as a human being.

    And had she say got cancer and had to lose her breasts, yes I still would have loved her because I have human empathy unlike you it sadly seems.

    Now, good on this guy for his sentiments, and may heaven have mercy on a guy who walks on his wife if she gets cancer, but holy crap the amount of question-dodging here is insane.

  30. mackPUA says:

    @Elspeth

    Thanks for posting that pic of a 79 yr old in hotpants …. & lost my lunch after seeing the freak that she-ape, thing, it became …

    Seriously she looks like a permanent extra from the planet of the apes …
    with hot pants … wtf

    FYI theres no reason a 40 yr old cant look as hot as in her 20’s, plenty of asian women manage to do it with ease …

    You’re SUPPOSED to stay hot for your husband, I bet he doesnt even get steak & bj’s on sundays, like any guy married to a hot 20 year old …

    Typical western women, age, loose their looks & dont even bother giving steak & bj’s to compensate …

  31. mackPUA says:

    “WKAS:TIL you can’t both find somebody attractive and respect her as a human being.”

    Doesnt even make sense …

    White knight retards like northern observer, never make sense, all that pussy vagina worship, makes them scrape the barrel of rational …

    Sad, pathetic, retards… all that asslicking, all that supplicating, all that pussy worship & grovelling & not even a scrap …

    Maybe they should go all the way & start calling small boys rapists, like good little hitler feminists …

  32. Nergal says:

    “As I said earlier, how you see yourself determines how the world sees you, regardless of your age, looks or gender. ”

    Not when it’s time to stick your penis in it,dear. Then it comes down to what’s actually there. And if you think a cat is better than “some loser guy” then why don’t you get your money for your social programs from your cats? Wouldn’t want the filthy taint of “some loser guy” (most guys,according to you) on your female scholarship or small business loan money.

  33. Elspeth says:

    Well Mack, I haven’t lost my looks, sir. I actually look pretty good for my age and even for someone a half dozen years younger than my age. I have to admit that it’s mostly genetics that have kept the wrinkles at bay more than effort on my part.

    However, the past 2 years I have worked very hard to stay in shape. I don’t know where you got from my comment that I was in any way promoting a woman being slack with her appearance or insinuating that I’ve done such a thing.

    In fact, I have consistently and repeatedly done just the opposite.

    Sorry about your lunch, though.

  34. WWW says:

    Re. 79 and ‘hot’…

    The problem (particularly with America) is that it has no culture now. In better days, there were watersheds through which one would pass, child to young adult, to family man/woman, to grandmother, etc..

    Now, nine-year old girls dress like 19-year-olds, and so do 29, 39, 49, 59, 69, and even 79-year-old women. The last half-century has seen a grotesque compression of the generations.

    Hence there’s now no respect for age. …Just the worship of ‘youth’ and ‘hotness’. The sad thing is that so many women on these blogs who claim that they try to live their lives by the Bible are caught up in the same thing, pounding away on the treadmill, ignoring 1 Peter 3 womanhood (though paying it lip-service, of course) and neglecting the inner self for the outward adornment.

    There’s no Scriptural exhortation to be a gym bunny — for bodily exercise profiteth little.

  35. anon says:

    Just like with Jennifer Aniston, the only person who would call a 79 year old woman a knockout is a heterosexual woman.

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  37. Now, nine-year old girls dress like 19-year-olds, and so do 29, 39, 49, 59, 69, and even 79-year-old women.

    Yes. You can be walking down the street and see in the distance a slim female shape in tight clothes with long, flowing hair, and then get closer and realize she’s 12 or 80. Creepy, either way. Age-appropriate dress, please. That’s why I don’t wear sleeveless shirts, baggy shorts, and a baseball cap out in public — I’m not 12 anymore.

  38. alcestiseshtemoa says:

    Here’s a catalogue of shaming tactics if needed —> http://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/

  39. Elspeth says:

    @ Cail:

    You’re not one of those who thinks women should cut off their hair at 50, are you?

  40. Dalrock says:

    Far more than tight clothing and long flowing hair on older women what I have noticed are boy haircuts and plunging necklines. It seems like the older (and fatter) the woman the lower the neckline in fact.

  41. alcestiseshtemoa says:

    Old women can be quite lovely (there are pictures of them), with the right personality, charm and appearance, but various today unfortunately have gone wild and become horrible. Isn’t there a “Grannies Gone Wild” post here?

  42. nikisknight says:

    “anonymous says:
    April 22, 2013 at 11:58 am
    He still has a crush on her after 60 years? That’s some serious one-itis.

    Last time I checked, that’s how marriage was SUPPOSED to work. That’s what oneitis is for.”

    Dude, that’s not her husband with a crush on her after 60 years. That’s the guy who was waiting for her husband to die so he could move in on that hot 79 year old.
    I sure hope he wasn’t her husbands doctor.

  43. You’re not one of those who thinks women should cut off their hair at 50, are you?

    No, but the prevalence of hair coloring and other treatments means that older women can have younger-looking hair than they used to. That’s a good thing in itself, but combined with overly youthful/tight clothing, it’s that much harder to distinguish them at a distance. As WWW said, it seems like the ages have been compressed into one: females from 9 to 99 are dressing the same, using the same amount of makeup, showing the same amount of skin, etc. I get the impression that, in my grandparents’ generation when women wore dresses and skirts, it was nonetheless easier to tell young from old and married from single, because women weren’t all trying to look equally young.

    So keep the nice hair; just don’t go grocery shopping dressed like a college girl on the make.

  44. greyghost says:

    I thought That just happened on its own Elspeth. I’m learning a lot on your blog Dalrock

  45. Elspeth says:

    I appreciated WWW’s commented. It inspired a post, even. I get what he was trying to say.

  46. “I get the impression that, in my grandparents’ generation when women wore dresses and skirts, it was nonetheless easier to tell young from old and married from single, because women weren’t all trying to look equally young.”

    That disappeared when women stopped realizing that men value women for the youthful life and glow they have when young, but also enjoy a respected, wise, maternal figure for raising children and keeping the house when older.

    When the sole goal of a woman is to ‘look hawt’ for short term gains of dates, promotions, and careers – really the primary way women compete within the consumer/corporate/commercial world rather than by merit – they lose sight of the value of beauty and femininity of looks and character.

    You could almost open a farm and grow crops of skrillex/boy cut women in rows of revealing clothes for the masses to consume. Careful, if left to age in the sun too long you’ll end up with a tough, shriveled crop of women instead of the juicy fruit desired.

  47. Frank says:

    …you can’t both find somebody attractive and respect her as a human being.

    Wait, what?

  48. Leap,

    It probably also didn’t help that women started being taught not to care what men value, which left them dressing primarily for other women and for fashion mavens.

    I was also thinking that people used to have a better idea of what the different ages were for. Childhood was for being a child, playing, learning, and growing. Young adulthood was for courting, finding a spouse, establishing yourself. Adulthood was for raising your kids. Old age was for enjoying your family and each other. Sure, there were some widows and others who got stuck dating in their 40s and so on, but they were rare.

    The normal pattern was that you tried to attract a spouse starting about age 16-18, and got that over with in a few years, a decade at most. Now that attraction/dating period may run from 12-80 with occasional timeouts for relationships, so instead of a phase of life it’s become the whole purpose.

  49. how you see yourself determines how the world sees you, regardless of your age, looks or gender.

    I think this is pretty much the core of leftist beliefs – how you see the world defines it. Cause and effect mean nothing. To borrow an example from GBFM – “we can get out of debt by spending more money. We can raise the value of money by printing more.” Bernankification inevitably follows.

    There are worse fates than winding up with a cat. It beats winding up with some loser guy.

    I guess she sees, and therefore defines, only those two limited outcomes for herself. In that case, yeah, go with the cat, lady.

  50. Marry the urologist, think of the money saved on pharma

  51. @ Cail

    Seems pretty accurate. With such an age range one could replace chasing the American Dream with chasing the American Romance Novel.

  52. an observer says:

    A woman a the gym six days a week can mean different things to different people.

    Here’s the mental image that came to mind:

    http://www.123rf.com/photo_14157960_young-adult-fitness-woman-doing-swing-exercise-with-a-kettlebell-as-a-part-of-a-crossfit-workout.html

    Here’s what is probably closer to reality:

    http://www.masterfile.com/stock-photography/image/839-06304585/Women-practicing-yoga-together-in-studio

  53. an observer says:

    ” you can’t both find somebody attractive and respect her as a human being.”

    Objectification fallacy.

    Oppressive patriarchy strikes again.

  54. mackPUA says:

    @Elspeth

    You stated 20 yr olds look as children as an excuse not to look hot …

    As for your gratuitous self congratulating, I already stated your avatar looks like a troll doll … lol

    Seriously change your pic back to your old avatar, your new pic looks pretty ridiculous lol

    FYI comparing yourself to the morbidly obese doesnt make you hot or young for your age …

    40 yr old women always think they look good for their age ….

    When in fact theyve hit the wall & they’re hubby has to use a paperbag as contraception ….

  55. Jeremy says:

    79 year old knockout? Shouldn’t she have lost all her teeth by then?

  56. Red Pill Theory says:

    The key is training yourself out of the male habit of taking human statements seriously. Women are masters of the game theory technique of moving the window. The say something so totally out of sync with reality, that even if you start arguing with them, it pulls you into la-la land.

  57. grey_whiskers says:

    @mackPUA said on April 22, 2013 at 12:23 pm
    @Elspeth Thanks for posting that pic of a 79 yr old in hotpants …. & lost my lunch after seeing the freak that she-ape, thing, it became …

    You mean like this?

  58. Elspeth says:

    @Elspeth

    You stated 20 yr olds look as children as an excuse not to look hot …

    As for your gratuitous self congratulating, I already stated your avatar looks like a troll doll … lol

    Seriously change your pic back to your old avatar, your new pic looks pretty ridiculous lol

    FYI comparing yourself to the morbidly obese doesnt make you hot or young for your age …

    40 yr old women always think they look good for their age ….

    When in fact theyve hit the wall & they’re hubby has to use a paperbag as contraception ….

    LOL. I have to show this one to my husband Mack, assuming he gets here before Dalrock does his gentleman host thing.

  59. Martian Bachelor says:

    That’s a funny story… If you saw my mom’s HS portrait studio photo you’d exclaim “OMG, your mom was a total babe!”. One of my sisters was homecoming queen. Well, my mom followed the herd during the early 80’s divorce revolution, and jettisoned my dad at age 50, after almost 30 years. Post-marital spinsterhood ensued for just about a decade, then a guy who had had a crush on her in HS heard about it and tracked her down. He had lost his professional practice to the bottle, and all his kids were in some version of the Betty Ford clinic. Even though she still had great looks for her age and probably could have still pulled a decent 45 y.o., my mom became convinced they were soulmates, and so she was one of the few women who marry past age 60 (62?) — and with all she had going for her (incl half my dad’s money) still he was a loser. Even though AA and no drinking was part of the deal, his body was found with a 0.65 blood alcohol level a few years later, after she’d gone off w/her girlfriends for the weekend.

    That 79 y.o. must have had some really tight girl game. One of the purposes of such stories is to make other women cry that it’s unfair for them not to have it all, too. Just because one (in a million) pulls it off, they then think they’re all entitled to.

    I recall mentioning back around Xmas time that photos of a HAWT! newly turned 70 Judge Judy in a bikini were going around. It was hardly a decade ago that the wimminz were making such a big deal about Jane Seymour turning 50, so I’m sure there are people reading this who are young enough now that they’ll live to see the age of putative fem-hotness extended to 100. It’s the business of her sex.

    It’s sure going to be bizarre when all the Boomer women are in their 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s. Most the men will have died earlier; for those left who missed it in the 60’s, large hits of acid will finally start to make sense.

  60. Martian Bachelor says:

    And just clarify/elaborate, what I learned back during Seymour Turns 50 — I was spending time with the hamsters on a mixed singles forum — was that because a woman could look “that good” at “that age”, well, men were expected to regard all women that age as if they looked that good. Anything else was to be shallow and guilty of both looksism and ageism.

    Once they’re on the downhill side of the age/looks curve, they increasingly try to assert their “rights” to first dibs on all the men their age.

  61. 8oxer says:

    A 70 year old knockout? Yum! Great grandma is on the prowl. Queue up in an orderly fashion, my brothers, to get a shot at that prize catch of a woman.

  62. Just Saying says:

    If they were high school sweethearts or had a crush on each other they would see each other a little differently than 79 year old strangers. Now I’m not 79 but recently saw an old high school sweetheart. The first thing he said — you look just the same. Now I know that’s not the case — but in his eyes, maybe he still saw me at 18.

  63. wfprice says:

    A 79 year old widow = heiress. Men routinely marry for money when society becomes economically stratified as ours is today.

  64. FuriousFerret says:

    Just stay thin if you’re a woman and you’re gold. Pure gold. No matter what the age.

    In the land of obesity the woman with one chin is Queen.

  65. Johnycomelately says:

    Whatever happened to just growing old gracefully?

    These young kids have no one to look up to, Ward and June Cleaver must look like freaks nowadays.

  66. imnobody00 says:

    Whatever happened to just growing old gracefully?

    This was when mating was confined to some few years and asted until the late twenties at the most. Then people devoted themselves to their kids, to achieving wisdom and to growing old with grace. I know. I know. This was oppressed and weird people, you know, so unenlightened.

    With divorce and sexual revolution, the mating period extends throughout the entire lifetime. Granny must look like young women, as much as possible. While a husband can appreciate an aging wife, the guy trying to score some cougars at the bar wants them to look younger than their age.

  67. an observer says:

    ” In the land of obesity the woman with one chin is Queen. ”

    Quote of the day.

  68. tbc says:

    The challenge I have with the “women should still look hawt” idea is
    1) it is idolatrous. Yes, we should take care of our bodies and aim to maintain ourselves and our beauty externally and internally — but there is a line between proper stewardship of the body and idolatry of youth

    2) an extension of the 1st is that there really is an idolatry of youthfulness that despises all that comes from and with age — a rebellious rejection of the old, of accumulated wisdom, of traditional thought etc. There is a perverse running after the ‘new’ that is implicated in the worship of the youthful body and that carries an inherent rejection of authority

    3) it is deceitful and aims to make us forget that we are but dust — the aim of these things is for humanly generated immortality — the similar temptation to eden. We see older people and they are a painful reminder that we will get old, our powers will fade, and that we will die — no matter how good looking, smart, sexy or ‘alpha’ we are, we are destined for the grave — which means a reckoning with death and with Creator. We want to avoid confronting that reality at all costs

  69. kios says:

    Ep: it isnt just wrinkles that make a woman look old; it is the glow on her skin. Even attractive women in their 40s have generally lost that glow, even if they only have fine lines.

  70. Olga says:

    Her mothers friend has nothing on me. I’m104 years young, jog 16 miles everyday while pulling an ox cart….up hill. After having lived a fulfilling and satisfyingly empowered, single by choice, life filled with too many meaningless sexual encounters to keep track of, I’m finally ready to settle down and give one lucky man the chance to posses this rare pearl, (and knock out a few children). I signed up on OK Cupid thinking I would receive a few inquires that I could easily filter through and select only the absolute cream from, ( I deserve only the best stud and provider you know). Much to my surprise, My inbox is loaded everyday with offers from men ranging in age from 22 -37, ( The older fellas saw all of the younger lads literally beating a path to my door and disqualified themselves, rather than be humiliated). I guess I’ll have to put the marriage and kids on hold for a few more years.

  71. dannyfrom504 says:

    all praise the hamster. *rolls eyes* it doesn’t even surprise me anymore. enjoy your cup-o-soup for one darling.

  72. The One says:

    We do need to add that science changes things. Retin-A is proven to slow down skin aging, HGH allows a man to muscle mass he normally couldn’t, etc, etc. Unless it really is the end of the world we will reach a point in the next decade where science pushes the wall back past it’s normal date. Of course by then women will be competing with 3D porn so it might not matter

  73. mackPUA says:

    @tbc

    This is why christians are raging idiots

    Everything remotely masculine, becomes sinful & idolatrous & the feminists come in to mop up the remaining values

    Staying fit & healthy within reason, is anything but idolatrous, its a wifes duty to stay hot for her husband, ESPECIALLY if she’s a lazy sit on her ass all day, parasite

    Christians ALWAYS default to attacking men, as masculinity threatens their emasculating behaviour of groveling to a fictional lord & master, all day ,,,

    Christianity should be about teaching strength & masculinity to the heads of their families

    Instead of the pathetic, emasculating, sheep & shepherd garbage, & grovelling to a god lord & master, they shove down mens throats

    Christians are reaping what theyve sown

    Decades of teaching men to bow & scrape & grovel, instead of teaching them to become spiritual warriors & practising the art of righteous fire & brimstone

    Christianity is at its best, when it makes a stand

    It’s at it’s worst when it waters its teaching, to attack strong masculine men

  74. mackPUA says:

    Basically, Christianity needs to stop worshipping the culture of christianity

    & start practising the fire & brimstone of male lead authority

  75. earl says:

    “Case in point, my solipistic story that is the exception to the norm, proves that the exception is the norm.”

    Fixed.

  76. tbc says:

    @mackpua – I don’t think anything I said is remotely tearing down masculinity. If anything it tears at false masculinity that is about nothing more than surface posturing and indulgence. Perpetually chasing after ‘hotness’ is vanity, which women are especially prone to — which is why you have old women running around in hot pants and tight shirts trying to look ‘sexy’. It is ridiculous.

    Saying that is a FAR cry from excusing someone from sitting on their lazy bum all day and letting their looks slide downhill.

  77. LS says:

    I’ll be so glad when the baby-boom generation passes on.

    Flower power
    Never trust anyone over 30
    30 is the new 20
    40 year old women are AWESOME!
    Cougars
    79 year old women are knockouts

    Every time the baby-boomers reach another age plateau, it somehow becomes the coolest thing ever. The truth is, they just can’t let go of their youth and grow up. The baby-boomers will be remembered as a generation that not only worshiped youth, but that turned it into a religious cult.

  78. Tam the Bam says:

    Scoldy :-
    “If you could wake an ancient greek from the dead and have him tour the parthenon, he’d surely say “what have you done to this place”?? And why have you not torn it down?”

    “You rang? Honestly, one’s does one’s best. You people have no appreciation for what Venice and the Turk have started, and I hope to complete.” – Thomas Bruce, 7th Earl of Elgin & 11th Earl of Kincardine

  79. Legion says:

    The Scolds’ Bridle says:
    April 22, 2013 at 10:08 am
    “I am certain that the “strong independent woman” front, and keeping up the illusion of romantic success is emotionally exhausting for these women, who undoubtedly retreat to their condos at night to recharge their willpower, fueled by ice cream and cats.”

    I’ve never tried cat on my ice cream. How is it?

  80. Ton says:

    no, No, NO! You put the ice cream on the cat

  81. Robert says:

    Honestly, I agree with neither tbc or mackpua. When tbc spoke, I imagined an old, somewhat effete man raging against the strong. Mackpua’s anger, however, is misplaced. The Christianity of the Apostles was nothing but strong, brave, and masculine, and was nothing like the laodiceanism one finds in today’s money grubbing churches.

    There is nothing wrong with an older person, man or woman, attempting to keep themselves strong. Yes, a woman who thinks that she is hot at 79 is a fool. But a person doesn’t have to stick one foot in the grave upon reaching some arbitrarily chosen age. If the world lasts (which it may not), I intend to still be lifting weights, mowing my own lawn, and even working for a living in my 80s.

  82. tbc says:

    i thought you used the milk from the cat to make the ice cream

  83. 8oxer says:

    The Christianity of the Apostles was nothing but strong, brave, and masculine, and was nothing like the laodiceanism one finds in today’s money grubbing churches.

    I agree. Early Christian fathers were all about conquest (mostly conquest of the self, but they’d conquer people who opposed them whenever they had to). Augustine of Hippo, the best known but by no means the only example, is a good one to start with. They were each a man’s man.

    The tradition lives on today in the fact that priests are supposed to be celibate. They’re living examples of people who gave the female imperative no credence, and had no time for women or their nonsense.

  84. Opus says:

    I was trying to think of any examples in Literature of aging women deluded as to their desirability, and (with the possible exception of the wicked queen in Snow White) I cannot think of any. Though there is that parody, which I like so much, in Brandon Thomas’ Charley’s Aunt, where Babs (a man in drag) as the very aged Aunt declares ‘I know I am still a little young but I intend one day to have children’. Seemingly we will not otherwise laugh at such delusion. The same is not however the case with men. One immediately thinks of Malvolio in Twelfth Night, with the cross-garter stockings, and perhaps Falstaff too. Then again there are plenty of older men for some reason determined to marry younger women and who get their come-uppance. The Admiral in Stefan Zweig’s The Silent Women is one example as is Baron Ochs in Hoffmanstahl’s Der Rosenkavalier (as it is always called) Interestingly in Rosenkavalier The Marshalin (aged 45) is having hot sex with Octavian (17) but by the end has seen the foolishness of her ways and forgoing Octavian (who has fallen for 16 year old Sophie) gains the audiences empathy as she begins to act her age. Of course in Pantomime (I don’t believe America has Panto does it ?) the comical older woman, perhaps with amorous delusions, is always played by a man – we do not laugh at women per se. The heroine in Panto (say Cinderella) is always young, virginal, poor and beautiful, the hero always a young chap with money and status but played by a more man-jawed young woman; the male actors always playing pathetic (Buttons) or evil parts (Baron Hard Up) – all the virtuous parts are played by women! Indeed we are supposed to feel great sympathy for the aging Violetta Valery – a woman about to hit The Wall but who thinks that an up-market marriage despite her life of prostitution is hers for the taking, in La Traviata – surely Victorian sentimentality (its French) at its absolute worst.

  85. Robert says:

    8oxer, I so appreciate your comment about conquest of the self. How are we to conquer the world for Christ and the good, if we do not conquer ourselves? The Apostle Paul said this, “And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible… I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.”

    I feel stronger and more like a Christian, when I keep my body under control through rigorous exercise and a strict diet. I set for myself three times a day to eat. And no matter how hungry I get, I don’t eat until it is time. If it is time to work out, and I don’t feel like it, I do it anyway. In so doing, I feel like I am taking a few steps to master myself. I still need to master my thoughts, however.

  86. Christians ALWAYS default to attacking men, as masculinity threatens their emasculating behaviour of groveling to a fictional lord & master, all day

    I concede Christian leaders do this. look here for perfect example…

    http://mensteppingup.com/ I wrote about it yesterday at my place

    But the rest of the rant about Christians makes no sense. It is either ” groveling to a fictional lord & master, all day” or it isnt…..but you cannot at once assert that, then speak to ,
    “Christianity is at its best, when it makes a stand”

  87. Buck says:

    I was on vacation in New Mexico and in line at a restaurant for lunch noon was a 70-something woman in a skin tight cheetah spot pattern body suit, orange cowboy hat and silver, knee high, boots, ridiculous red dyed hair, clown red lip stick, all to match her raisin wrinkled skin…it was an assault on my eyes; the image is still burned into my psyche and produces indigestion. I heard the women speak, so no, I don’t think she was mentally retarded, and she was not escorted my men in white suits.
    I looked at the lovely and gracious Mrs Buck and said, PLEASE accept age as it comes, go out gracefully …good god!

  88. Anon says:

    Here’s the money quote:
    “We’re facing a crisis in our culture. It’s urgent! When a boy stays a boy for life … when a man doesn’t know what it is to be a man … when he uses girls and women like property … when he fathers kids outside of marriage … when his marriage breaks up … the price paid is compounded for women, children and society.”
    (I apologize Sir, even after having been reminded daily, for the last 20 years, that I am to blame, only now because of your harsh rebuke do I see that…… I am to blame)
    “Men don’t need to be attacked, however.”
    ( Is it because I’ve humbly prostrated myself before you Sir? Thank you Sir, I will immediately obey your next directive.)
    P.S. I am a born again Christian. I walked out of the ‘organized’ church 15 years ago because even then it had become feminized.

  89. East is Best says:

    When I came to America in my youth I noticed that most of the women over 40 had short hair and I was told not to wear white after Labor Day. I found both of these “rules” very strange. In most of the world women keep their hair “long” until they die. What you consider “long” we consider medium length at best. Long to us is at least down to the hips.

    I asked about this and people said it was not “age appropriate” for “older women” to “sport” long hair!

    I found that “older women” with at least shoulder length hair tend to look young than women the same age with short hair. Its the opposite in my country. The women with shorter hair look young than the ones with long hair. In fact, we associate super long hair (common in my country) with women who are old fashioned or backwards. Women who are hip and fashionable in my country will “sport” shorter hair – that would be “long” hair to you but merely medium length to us.

    In other words, they will cut their butt length hair to the mid-back or shoulders, sometimes go as far as a bob cut, and that will make them look “modern, fashionable and young”.

    Sometimes in my country you do see women with extremely short hair cuts. A minority of old widows will do this, and also some older married women who actually live in the US but return to the motherland once or twice a year for a visit, or those who have adult children living in the US who they frequently visit.

    Its very rare to see a woman under 60 with extremely short hair in my country. Some young women in their 20s do it for fashion and fun and they still look cute, but most women, young, middle age or old, sport at least shoulder length hair and the more traditional ones have hair past their butts which used to be considered extremely beautiful in my grandparents’ generation but now is seen as backwards and old fashioned, not educated.

  90. ,..my mom has a widowed friend who is 79, is a complete knockout (she goes to a gym six days a week) and is about to marry a doctor. They have known each other since they were teenagers and he always had a crush on her, which did not diminish with her age.

    Then this:

    There are worse fates than winding up with a cat. It beats winding up with some loser guy.

    It’s one thing for a guy to be friendzoned until a woman hits the downslide of her sexual peak (27-30) and then she conveniently finds him acceptable for monogamy – that’s almost a standardized life plan for women and chumps. It’s quite another to be such a catastrophic Beta that you’ll entertain finally marrying your high school crush when she’s this side of 80, ignoring roughly 62 years in the friend zone. She’s right, cats would be preferable to marrying a guy like this, but she cites this as a point of pride.

  91. oogenhand says:

    Reblogged this on oogenhand and commented:
    Well, maybe humans can shift from lions to hyenas, but it will take some time. But in that case, women will need money and power to get laid.

  92. When women come across some aspect of intergender relations they disagree with on the internet, their debate techniques usually go something like this:

  93. hey mack_pua i’m with you on this one.

    tbc viciously attacks the Greeks and the Greek Orthodox Church for their many heroes such as Odysseus, Achilles, and the Manly Christ. tbc also viciously attacks the Manly Moses.

    long story short, tbc, is violently anti-man, ant-honor, and anti-soul, which is why he/she/it spends so much time raging and setting against Homer and Classical Honor–the Nobility of Achilles and Odysseus.

    tbc offers up a feminized, limp form of Christianity, where men are to blame for everything, from Eve eating the Apple on down.

  94. East is Best says:

    Elspeth, that old woman in your link is black so she don’t count! No, I’m not being racist, which is what I immediately thought when I first heard someone say that. They then explained that holding older black people up as examples of how young someone can look if they eat and live right doesn’t count because black people age the best of all our planet’s people. And its true! I am continually amazed at how many African Americans I meet in their 50s who I mistake for 30s.

    If readers look again at the picture of the 75 year old black woman gym rat you can clearly see that her skin is taught and tight and her muscles toned. This is a gift from God that black people were given that I have not seen on other races.

    I asked a dermatologist about this and he explained that white people have thin skin (and lose collegen at faster rates) that ages terribly. I’m brown so I’m in between. Our wrinkles don’t show up as hard and fast as white peoples, but we don’t age as phenomenally well as black people either.

    Whereas blacks look younger than they are and whites look older than they are, we browns tend to look our age at every stage. I guess we’re neutral then! LOL!

    P.S. I don’t see what is “supplicating” about supporting one’s spouse in their hobbies and cooking for them. Indeed, this is traditionally what married couples all over the world do! And there is no conflict with her doing grandma or great grandma stuff with her pursuing her fitness hobby. In fact, its a GREAT example for her grand and great grand kids considering that obesity rates and health issues in the African American community are through the roof!

    P.P.S. The woman who wrote about the “hot 79 year old” was not implying that men much younger than her would find her “hot”. She clearly stated that her fiance is her own age – they were teens together.

    Even that famous American old dude with supposedly much younger women has to pay them to live at his mansion and all of their real lovers are their own age – and he’s rich and famous, so what to speak of regular non-famous old people. They will only be able to attract without pay other old people.

  95. Legion says:

    Ton says:
    April 23, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Thank you.
    Does the breed of cat / type of ice cream matter?

  96. Elspeth says:

    @ East is Best;

    Yes, I know all of that about black skin. I know very few healthy black women under 50 with even a fine line on their faces. We just don’t get them before about 55. We won the facial lottery, as it were. I just didn’t want to go there.

    Of course, we tend to get fat easier (see our obesity rates) and have the hardest time losing weight if we don’t exercise good habits.

    And I never meant for my comments to be interpreted to say that I think I look 25. That would be ridiculous.

  97. Robert says:

    To East is Best – the very White Jack LaLanne was at no disadvantage. The primary concern about aging well is not the wrinkles in your skin or the gray in your hair. The primary concern is the strength and health of your body. When I’m 80+, I don’t care if others guess my true age. My goal isn’t to be “hawt”, my goal is to keep on living life. When I’m 80, are my shoulders’ still square? Can I still do pullups? Can I still lift some decent weights? Strength training is essential to aging well. Here are the primary strategies: 1) Lift weights 2) Do endurance training, but not to extreme – marathoners damage themselves 3) Eat in moderation 4) Take your vitamins 5) Think positively (the last is probably the hardest to do in our times)

    The other day, I was talking to someone else my same age (mid 50s). He was complaining about being old and was espousing the ridiculous “paleo” diet. I rolled my eyes. He seemed frail and weak. He was too young to be that frail and old looking. He wasn’t interested in anything I had to say about the right way to work out. So I thought, “Why bother. Let him age badly and do his own thing.”

  98. East is Best says:

    “4) Take your vitamins ”

    If you eat right you don’t need to take supplements. All the vitamins and minerals are in food.

    “the very White Jack LaLanne was at no disadvantage.”

    I just googled him. Good for him. He was a proponent of juicing fruits and veggies and getting all those healthy vitamins and minerals from the food itself.

    I also noticed whites have to “work out” to get the muscle-toned bodies Africans have by natural default. Don’t worry, we browns are in the same boat, unfortunately. I plan to reverse that in my family lineage going forward though some selective breeding. ;)

  99. Yea, I’ll just stay white thanks.

  100. earl says:

    Unless her friend’s mother is this person…I don’t believe for a second she is a knockout.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_Loren

  101. Robert says:

    East is Best- If you don’t take vitamins, you’re missing out. Mega doses of Vitamin C (far in excess of what you would ever get from your diet) are especially beneficial. And since most people work indoors, you should take Vitamin D. Plus, most people are deficient in magnesium.

    It’s also a myth that blacks don’t have to work out. I have seen too many fat, sloppy, out-of-shape blacks to believe that. (Let me add, I’m a White man, who has no White guilt, and who is not intimidated or impressed by black males.) All humans need to stress their muscles. And by that, I mean lift weights. Too many people think that 30 minutes of mindless peddling on a bike machine while reading a book is “exercise”. If you can read a book or check your phone, you’re not working out.

  102. tbc says:

    Actually no one has to work out to be in shape naturally speaking. It is our modern lifestyle that makes us have to generate artificial means of burning a normal amount of calories. Basically we eat like farmhands but work like royalty — which is to say, not at all other than sitting on our butts all day. Your mileage may vary.

    I live somewhere where most people are relatively slim and few people work out. It is yes, partially genetic, but partially because people do actual physical work, and walk around a lot in the normal course of a day. It’s like the 1950’s in the US. Yeah there were some fat people, but most people were in reasonably good shape — that is they were relatively slender by today’s standards, and even the fat people weren’t nearly the landwhales we see today.

  103. an observer says:

    Robert,

    ” the ridiculous “paleo” diet. . .”

    The standard american diet prescribes lots of grains, cardio and sunscreen. The average american
    Is overweight, pre diabetic and vit d deficient.

    But then why should i care? They can get fat and sick. So long as they’re happy doing their own thing.

  104. East is Best says:

    “It’s also a myth that blacks don’t have to work out. I have seen too many fat, sloppy, out-of-shape blacks to believe that.”

    Provided they don’t let themselves go they absolutely do not have to work out even half of what whites and browns have to in order to get the muscle tone that is natural to blacks. Ever notice how fat blacks still maintain some form, figure and tone while fat browns and whites just get sloppy and mushy? Ever notice how scrawny blacks still have muscles whereas scrawny whites and browns are just scrawny?

    “(Let me add, I’m a White man, who has no White guilt, and who is not intimidated or impressed by black males.)”

    Well, you’re a heterosexual male so I wouldn’t expect you to be impressed by black males. As a heterosexual woman however, I most certainly am ;)

    “And since most people work indoors, you should take Vitamin D. ”

    They just need to park a 15 minute walking distance from their jobs.

    “most people are deficient in magnesium.”

    They just need to eat magnesium rich fruits and veggies.

  105. sunshinemary says:

    Off topic

    Hey, anyone know what is going on with The Private Man’s blog?? When I click on it, a wordpress message comes up saying the blog has been removed for violating terms of service.

  106. donalgraeme says:

    I saw that too SSM. Not sure what is going on.

  107. SSM and Donal

    Only thing I can think of is if they suspected him of copyright infringement or he got involved in some lawsuit they found out about in which they pulled his plug as a ‘cover our ass’ tactic. I haven’t seen anything that leads me to think they’d do such though, and his most recent article on international dating was tame enough that I can’t see it being the reason, nor any other recent posts.

  108. @mackpua
    “…the fire and brimstone of masculine lead authority”

    When i read this, something clicked in my brain.

    When pastors keep saying “watch out for the bad boys, be careful of becoming a bad boy, ..ect”, what they are really saying is “those bad boys are able and capable”.
    In other words, masculine traits. They basically are worshiping the bad boys, when they act like “bad boy power” is some kind of unstoppable force. And then everyone wonders why the church girls run to that “unstoppable power”.

    Christian men need to possess that unstoppable power of the Holy Spirit, and be in awe when we see Him at work in other men. (rare)

    Preachers teach men to cower mostly. I’d like to hear stories of Christian men playing “tag the lion” , so to speak. Doing great deeds for God, and not caring what the naysayers think.

    I thank God that he brought me to this blog.

  109. alcestiseshtemoa says:

    I just clicked on the blog and it seems fine but if something happened, either the Private Man closed the blog for his own suitable reasons, or he was found out by some outside entity (distant ex-friends, work colleagues, the government, the police, etc), which cautioned about his activities.

    It seems like a joke or a conspiracy, but somewhere along the line (maybe in a couple of years or decades), what is happening all around the Orthosphere, the Manosphere and other places will be deemed criminal (or “hate crime”, more like thought crime). For now it’s all fine and dandy, but the Internet was commercialized/born in the 1990s. It’s still quite young.

  110. alcestiseshtemoa says:

    Maybe the USA survivalist preppers (deemed crazy) stocking up amno, guns, doing MMA, self defense, boxing and finding other likeminded people for networking, community and safety are alright in the head. Maybe in a couple of decades they will be seen as right from the start.

  111. Robert says:

    East is Best, your posts are patent nonsense. I don’t buy into your racist BS. And as far as vitamins, I could not care less what you choose to do. But for those who are interested, do some research on the health benefits to be obtained from mega doses of Vitamins C and D.

    Observer, the answer is not another quack diet such as “paleo”, which is so restrictive that very few will stay on it, and when some of the biggest proponents, themselves, are fat and unhealthy. The answer lies in a balanced diet that is based on moderation.

    tbc, the modern lifestyle is what it is. So what do you do to take care of yourself? You do as I suggested, you lift weights and you eat based on your needs, not on your appetite.

  112. They Call Me Tom says:

    @ alcestise- I’ve been absorbing history, the classics, and what portion of military history that is allowed for public consumption (basically everything up until the end of WW2, since then it doesn’t seem that new ‘developments’ really get much discussion in a non-fiction fashion). We are headed towards the semi-anarchy of the early medieval days within a generation or two… our local politicians have certainly been hard at work trying to re-introduce serfdom, and the average citizen’s wisdom and knowledge is less than that of the average serf’s was way back when. A serf could feed themselves without a grocery store or a restaraunt Then again, most of those sacks of excrement (politicians) couldn’t defend themselves, never mind a bunch of newly made serfs.

  113. East is Best says:

    Has anyone here been following that Jodi Arias trial? Have you noticed Travis Alexander is a complete innocent looking baby faced nice guy, and very active in his Church, yet the phone recordings betray a “freak in the sheets” sort? Its always those baby faced guys, not the super masculine “he-man” sorts, who are the sexual beasts so to speak. RIP. He didn’t deserve to die the way he did, no matter his pre-marital sexual proclivities.

  114. Ton says:

    I’m sure Legion, to the food snobs the breed of cat/ ice cream paring matters, but I say enjoy what you enjoy. I prefer chocolate ice cream and whatever cat I pick up for free in pets section of the news paper. At 1.5k per kitten, I cannot afford to eat Bengals very often

    It’s funny reading post about fitness and diet from folks who likely know very little about either.

  115. Legion says:

    Ton says:
    April 23, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    Thanks for the sage advice, Ton.

  116. Opus says:

    Of course it may be that Dalrock is a meanie and that 79 year old really is hawwwt, but, I cannot help but remember when I was younger, there were certain female movie stars who I would have crawled over hot coals merely to kiss their booties. Surely any of the following possessed beauty at a Helen of Troy level: Elke Sommers. Sylvia Sims, Claudia Cardinale, Senta Berger, all born circa 1940 which puts hem in their early seventies now. Google their present selves and weep!!!!!!!!!!

  117. Opus says:

    As for the 79 year old (this year) Miss Bardot – nice cat!

  118. Amicus Curiae says:

    Hey Dalrock, this is totally off topic so feel free to remove the comment after you read i couldn’t find your email. I just had this link pop on my facebook about your favourite pastor http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/23/megachurch-pastor-nagging-wives-are-like-chinese-water-torture/

    this was the first time he popped up on my facebook from a catholic friend her caption was “what an ass”

    I thought you might find it interesting in that he actually tries to give a sermon on women respecting their husbands in public and the comments are priceless.

  119. Looking Glass says:

    @Amicus:

    RawStory is a pretty far-left place, as is. But the comments were funny. Anyone that actually knows of Driscoll knows he’s pretty much the guy that gave us the “Man up and marry the sluts” term. Granted, even the most basic Christian Theology is lost on anyone in the media. Right along with the difference between a “stock” and a “barrel” when it comes to guns.

  120. East is Best says:

    “I’ll leave this here for East is Best’s negro worship.”

    Amazing. I make a personal observation that on average black people age better than others and have more defined muscle tone and all of a sudden terms like “negro worship” are thrown out.

    Classy.

    Oh, and no hint of resentment is betrayed at all. Nope, not a hint.

    Seems we’ve got some descendents of Jim Crow on board here.

  121. Seems we’ve got some descendents of Jim Crow on board here.

    Ah yes, you can state why blacks are better but no one can disagree because RACIST!

    Your statements are pretty much worshiping the ‘default’ state of the African, hence negro worship. I guess that word ‘negro’ is also off the table then, huh? Any other words you would like to outlaw? All whites are pretty much racisss from birth according to you lot so, bleh, don’t really care about your sensibilities.

    I don’t like Jim Crow, I prefer Verwoerd myself. Self segregation is better than both forced segregation, aka Jim Crow, and forced integration, aka section 8 housing, affirmative action and the many other bullshit laws that go against the simple freedom of association.

    Go take you shaming elsewhere.

  122. Mule Chewing Briars says:

    I just Googled several men and women born in 1933 and was surprised.
    Jean-Paul Belmondo – Jeebs but that guy has aged well. Fathered a child at 70
    Tom Skerrit – Ditto. Wife is 49
    Michael and Shakira Caine – most beautiful old couple on the planet. She was Miss World 1970 – Alfie looks like he’s still mad in love with her.
    You should see their daughter: http://www.meltingpotinternational.com/img/Michael,%20Shakira,%20and%20daughter%20Natasha.jpg

    Joan Collins was the Demi Moore of 1979. Still doing OK. Hubby is 47. She’s seen better days, though
    Cicely Tyson is another member of the Black Folk Don’t Age Club. Harry Belafonte is President
    Maggie Smith and Judy Dench are probably the greatest actresses alive, and I would be charmed to spend an afternoon in either of their company. Charm gets short shrift these days in comparison to hotness, probably because so few women have any.

  123. East is Best says:

    “Ah yes, you can state why blacks are better ”

    Where did I say “blacks are better”?

    I simply observed that on average they age better and have better muscle tone. This in no way implies an existential superiority. That you became so offended over the aesthetic appreciation of merely 2 aspects of the negro physicality says something.

    I’m also in favor of self-segregation, self-integration and free association.

    Very much so.

  124. Elspeth says:

    I’m just passing through East and probably won’t see any responses to this, but in my experience we black people tend to skew towards obesity rather easily. 2/3 of black women are overweight or obese. That’s just a fact, and my husband, fit though he may be, has to work at it or he softens up. I’ve seen this pretty much across the board my whole life. I refrained from commenting yesterday because the conversation was turning vitriolic.

    I agree with you on the aging factor. We tend to look our age until about 35, then we sort of hold there for about a decade, age a little bit more, and hold again. If you see a black woman and think she’s 40, she’s probably 50. 50, she’s probably 60, and so on.

    But more often than not, unless she is naturally thin (there are a small percentage of blacks who are naturally skinny), she is fat. Usually by about 40 pounds or more. I am 20 pounds overweight myself and most of my relatives categorize me as thin. As laughable as that is, it tells you something about how fat we are as a race.

    Every group of people has its physical assets and weaknesses.

  125. East is Best says:

    ” in my experience we black people tend to skew towards obesity rather easily. 2/3 of black women are overweight or obese. ”

    So then why did you imply the super fit 75 year old black lady was not a good example of a great/grandmother? If obesity is so endemic among American blacks, I’d think you’d be applauding her example.

    By the way, fat black people have not gone unnoticed by me. LOL! But I have also observed that they don’t get “mushy” like other races do. An average height black person who is even as much as 70 pounds over weight carries it well. This again has to do with the tautness of skin and underlying muscle tone. Black women also have the waist to hip ratio in their favor.

    Where you see overweight black people starting to get mushy like other overweight races is at a much higher scale weigh-in. For example, I’ll get mushy at 25 pounds over weight. You will get mushy at probably 80 pounds over weight, all things else like height being equal.

    Like I said before, black people do NOT need to become gym rats in order to have firm and attractive muscle tone. You have it naturally. You simply need to NOT LET YOURSELVES GO.

    That means eat healthy and get regular moderate exercise.

    Black Americans are hiding their natural muscle tone behind layers of obesity NOT because they fail to lift weights in a gym, but because they are letting themselves go!

    “Every group of people has its physical assets and weaknesses.”

    Believe me, I’ve noticed. ;)

  126. Martian Bachelor says:

    The tradition lives on today in the fact that priests are supposed to be celibate. They’re living examples of people who gave the female imperative no credence, and had no time for women or their nonsense. (Boxer)

    Uhm… the pope, the whole college of cardinals, and all the rest are men wearing dresses — because it signifies they are serving the “female imperative”.

    The not-having-a-wife-and-kids thing, besides being Jesus-like, is a “work-life balance” issue: The church is supposed to be such important business that, well, you can’t have the leaders constantly getting distracted by calls from home because Billy fell down and badly scraped his knee or because the toilet clogged, not to mention any other womanly nonsense.

    It’s just like if you’re a shareholder of Amazon, you want Jeff Bezos putting in 90 and 100 hour work weeks as his sole focus. No “goofing off” at home for him.

  127. East is Best says:

    “Uhm… the pope, the whole college of cardinals, and all the rest are men wearing dresses — because it signifies they are serving the “female imperative”.”

    What?! Can you explain yourself?

    What do you mean by “dress”? Pants are a relatively recent invention and before that most people in the world were wearing loose flowing robe like cloths and many still do. I believe the cloaks of Catholic popes, cardinals and priests are long standing clothing from a pre-pants era.

  128. anonymous says:

    Pants are a relatively recent invention and before that most people in the world were wearing loose flowing robe like cloths and many still do.

    Correct. Pants are the cultural legacy of horse-riding conquerors. In Europe, the only places where pre-pants garb survived are the mountains of Scotland, the mountains of Greece, and the ancient churches.

  129. INTJ says:

    Someone rights an excellent article explaining the male mind to women and the reaction is this bit of solipsist drivel:

    “Unfortunately, as a single Christian woman, I have seen these archetypes more times than I would like to say, particularly Mr. Fear of Rejection. The effeminate male who will choose being alone rather than ask out a woman who shows interest in him has reached epidemic proportions among single men in my part of the country. There is a difference between being shy and being reserved: “reserved” is quite a good quality and shows discernment, however shyness is a narcissistic, it’s-all-about-me attitude that is completely un-Godly. These men need to realize that, if they get rejected, they can move onto the next woman and just shake it off. However, as a woman, when we show interest in a man and he does not make the move to ask us out, it makes us feel unworthy of the risk, and can initiate a flood of insecurities in which we blame ourselves for something we did or didn’t do or something that we are or are not that resulted in the non-ask. This analysis can go on for weeks. Plus, we don’t have the luxury of turning the tables and asking the man out since that is not the way God has designed it. Men need to re-examine the way God made them and start being the hunters, not the skirts!”

    http://www.cbn.com/family/datingsingles/guyspursue.aspx

  130. 8oxer says:

    Dear Martian Bachelor:

    While I’m an admirer of Christianity, I’ll cop to never having been a Christian. I think you make a very good point in the subtext of your riposte.

    Uhm… the pope, the whole college of cardinals, and all the rest are men wearing dresses — because it signifies they are serving the “female imperative”.

    I don’t really read it that way. Bear in mind that I don’t disagree that the modern church partakes in the superstructure (to use a Marxist term) which is anti-male.

    When I read St. Paul/Rabbi Saul of Tarsus, the author of the New Testament, I don’t see a man who gave women much credence or kissed the asses of the feminists as they existed in his day (and they did). Same goes with Augustine. These were not manginas, by any stretch of the imagination.

    The Jesus character, as he exists in the text, is not a mangina either. Of course he didn’t hate women in a reactionary way, but he certainly didn’t shy away from calling women to change their behaviour if he found it wanting, same for men.

    The fact that modern clergy are a bunch of manginas (NACALT, admittedly, but generally I think your point is true) doesn’t really reflect upon the founders, of which I wrote previously. The ideal of celibacy is (as I already pointed out) conducive to the Christian teaching of self-mastery and self-discipline. The fact that monks lived collectively in male-only communes is another hint at a more manly age. Working men need solidarity, and women break up solidarity.

    In any event, good response.

    Boxer

  131. anonymous says:

    The effeminate male who will choose being alone rather than ask out a woman who shows interest in him has reached epidemic proportions among single men in my part of the country

    Never saw this in California, that’s for sure. We tried and tried and tried…. and got an epidemic of rejection from the women. I never knew any single guys who didn’t try.

    Plus, we don’t have the luxury of turning the tables and asking the man out since that is not the way God has designed it

    No, that’s a cultural assumption so old that we mistakenly assume it’s part of the faith. There is NOTHING in scripture prohibiting a woman from making the first move, indeed Ruth is a heroine for it.

    Furthermore… the doctrine that women “love to be pursued”, is a HALF truth. The whole truth is that women love to be pursued by men they find attractive… and NOT by any other men. And many otherwise-nice women, including (especially?) Christian women, can be shockingly rude in response to a polite approach from a man they don’t want.

    Since a man can’t know except by trying, which category he’s in, he risks being not just rejected, but browbeaten and even publicly humiliated — the so-called “nuclear rejection” — any time he tries to ask out a woman. Even on Christian dating websites, the women can sometimes be mean to a guy who emails them.

    After a lifetime of rejection, including a few nuclear rejections, somewhere in my mid-30s I concluded, “If she’s not interested enough to make the first move, she’s not interested.” This operating rule, saved me enormous grief and put an end to the nuclear rejections and patronizing putdowns. From then on, I only dated women that I knew for sure were interested. And yes, my wife made the first move.

  132. 8oxer says:

    Dear Opus, Earl, et.al.:

    As for the 79 year old (this year) Miss Bardot – nice cat!

    While women can certainly choose to age well, provided they’re willing to make the effort and go to the expense, I can confidently state that there is not a 70+ year old woman anywhere on the planet that I would describe as “hot” or “a knockout”.

    There is a phenomenon by which one particular 70+ year old woman could be described that way, sincerely; but, that requires her living a lifetime of faithful devotion to family, and the one man who could make the claim about her would be her husband/partner, to whom she devoted her life, and for whom she bore children and brought them up. There’s a brilliant old essay by a blogger named Solomon which is still floating around that describes this.

    The fundamental shift in mass psychology includes the motion away from this as the ideal, toward a phony “hotness” ideal, which is described in detail on blogs like this one. Most women, following this trend, will never achieve this authentic hotness, having squandered the opportunity in favor of chasing the illusion of perpetual sexual hotness, which comes and goes with astonishing rapidity.

    Regards, Boxer

  133. INTJ says:

    * Akkh can’t believe my typo. “Rights” should have been “writes”.

  134. deti says:

    Interesting.

    “Unfortunately, as a single Christian woman, I have seen these archetypes more times than I would like to say, particularly Mr. Fear of Rejection. The effeminate male who will choose being alone rather than ask out a woman who shows interest in him has reached epidemic proportions among single men in my part of the country.”

    As a single christian man, I saw the Evangelical American Princess/Daughter of the King type more than I’d like to say. The total Christian superbitch who will nuclear reject a man who shows interest in her reached epidemic proportions among single Christian women THIRTY YEARS AGO and the problem is even worse now.

    “There is a difference between being shy and being reserved: “reserved” is quite a good quality and shows discernment, however shyness is a narcissistic, it’s-all-about-me attitude that is completely un-Godly.”

    There’s a difference between polite disinterest and nuclear rejection. polite disinterest is fine. The nuclear rejection is a narcisisstic, it’s all about me attitude that is completely unGodly.

    “These men need to realize that, if they get rejected, they can move onto the next woman and just shake it off. However, as a woman, when we show interest in a man and he does not make the move to ask us out, it makes us feel unworthy of the risk, and can initiate a flood of insecurities in which we blame ourselves for something we did or didn’t do or something that we are or are not that resulted in the non-ask. This analysis can go on for weeks.”

    These women need to realize that, if they get pumped and dumped, they can move on to the next man and just shake it off. No woman above a 4 in attractiveness does without male company unless she chooses to do without. However, men must often go months and years wiithout even so much as receiving a touch from a woman, much less sex. And as men, when we ask out a woman and receive a nuclear rejection, it makes us feel unworthy of female attention, and can initiate a flood of insecurities in which we blame ourselves for something we did or didn’t do or something that we are or are not that resulted in such a wild overreaction as a nuclear rejection. This paralysis can go on for years.

    “Plus, we don’t have the luxury of turning the tables and asking the man out since that is not the way God has designed it. Men need to re-examine the way God made them and start being the hunters, not the skirts!”

    Plus, we (men) don’t have the luxury of getting sex literally on demand since that is not the way God has designed it. Women need to reexamine the way God made them and start being nice, not total bitches!

  135. East is Best says:

    “Never saw this in California, that’s for sure. We tried and tried and tried…. and got an epidemic of rejection from the women. I never knew any single guys who didn’t try. ”

    California is a tough market because that’s where the “beautiful people” live.

    ” The ideal of celibacy is (as I already pointed out) conducive to the Christian teaching of self-mastery and self-discipline. ”

    Celibacy has an even longer history in the Asian traditions, even for married couples.

    Its recommended that sex life be circumscribed (not circumcised), and there are certain days and times when it should be avoided altogether, particular during spiritual fasts and pilgrimages. And it expected to be totally given up at a certain age.

    I find Western Civilization’s obsession with sex and the way its given paramount importance to be utterly ridiculous.

  136. deti says:

    “These men need to realize that, if they get rejected, they can move onto the next woman and just shake it off.”

    Did you get that? The lack of empathy is simply breathtaking. “Man up you big pussies! Ask the girls out! Who cares if you get hurt! It’s your DUTY to ask the girls out!”

    “However, as a woman, when we show interest in a man and he does not make the move to ask us out, it makes us feel unworthy of the risk, and can initiate a flood of insecurities in which we blame ourselves for something we did or didn’t do or something that we are or are not that resulted in the non-ask.”

    Translation: If I show interest in you, I am ENTITLED to you asking me out and it is your DUTY to do so. YOU MUST ASK OUT ANY GIRL WHO SHOWS INTEREST IN YOU, regardless of her lack of attractiveness or whether or not you like her. She is a girl and she is entitled to a guy she likes. And because she is a girl, she is worthy of your investment and commitment. And because she is a girl, she is entitled not to feel insecure.

  137. East is Best says:

    Translation: “If I show interest in you, I am ENTITLED to you asking me out and it is your DUTY to do so. YOU MUST ASK OUT ANY GIRL WHO SHOWS INTEREST IN YOU, regardless of her lack of attractiveness or whether or not you like her. She is a girl and she is entitled to a guy she likes. And because she is a girl, she is worthy of your investment and commitment. And because she is a girl, she is entitled not to feel insecure.”

    It is ridiculous but she seems to restrict herself to the conduct she thinks her religion requires of her. Most other women will just approach a guy they find attractive and at least try to open up a conversation with him.

  138. anonymous says:

    I find Western Civilization’s obsession with sex and the way its given paramount importance to be utterly ridiculous.

    Anthropologists have shown, that there is a natural difference in sex hormone levels between races. Whites are generally higher than Asians, and blacks highest of all. Hence it’s likely that Asians are better able to tolerate celibacy than whites or blacks — and conversely that we Westerners appear to be “sex obsessed” compared to Asians. It’s genetic.

    It is ridiculous but she seems to restrict herself to the conduct she thinks her religion requires of her

    Ahem. Part of being religious, MEANS, restricting yourself to the conduct you think your religion requires of you. Weren’t you just talking about celibacy as part of religious practice? Certainly that requires restricting yourself, either until marriage, or, for some people, for life.

  139. 8oxer says:

    Did you get that? The lack of empathy is simply breathtaking. “Man up you big pussies! Ask the girls out! Who cares if you get hurt! It’s your DUTY to ask the girls out!”

    I have found through years of practice that the “nuclear rejectors” are almost exclusively fatties, uggos, or people with mental problems, who get a sick thrill out of making people feel badly. I know it’s rude, but in this case she’s right. You really do need to “shake it off and move on”. If some bitch is going out of her way to make you feel badly, then that’s an indication that she’s got all sorts of personal issues under the surface. The brother that suffers such stuff should realize he is dodging a bullet (can you imagine being in any sort of relationship with this type of headcase? lol) and be grateful to be rid of such a creep.

    Most women on the normal-to-hot scale will not be rude. They’ll be polite, and the proper response for the player is to be polite in return.

    If you get rejected, it’s not the end of the world. There are, what, 3.5 billion women wandering the earth? One of these doesn’t want to date you. So what?

    Regards, Boxer

  140. UnicornHunter says:

    Ah 8oxer, you forget how incestuous churches get where the members are firmly convinced they and they alone have a lock on THE TRUTH and one dare not venture out amongst the unwashed masses of sluts, whores, and prostitutes looking for a virtuous woman. She must come from amongst your people, and if by her nuclear rejection you have been judged unworthy of mating, best admit to being gay or just go kill yourself.

  141. Lurker No. 9 says:

    The problem comes from looking deeper at what rejection means.

    Despite Christianity, the whole concept of judgment and society is darwinistic. Unconditional love seems to be a myth. What person can escape being darwinistic in their treatment of others, which means not judging against them even if they are weak, worthless, and ugly?

    This might be fine for, say, the wannabe alphas who have knuckled under to accepting being judged, either worthy because of their alphaness or unworthy because she doesn’t consider you alpha enough, but what about those of us who were raised to essentially have a Madonna/Whore Complex?

    It’s not wholly the fault of religion but it doesn’t help.

  142. East is Best says:

    “Anthropologists have shown, that there is a natural difference in sex hormone levels between races. Whites are generally higher than Asians, and blacks highest of all. Hence it’s likely that Asians are better able to tolerate celibacy than whites or blacks — and conversely that we Westerners appear to be “sex obsessed” compared to Asians. It’s genetic.”

    Interesting. I mentioned above some (positive) physical differences I’ve observed in Black people and got chewed out for being a “negro worshipper”. But if what you right is in fact scientifically correct, that would also help to explain what I’ve observed to be their higher sex appeal as well.

    “Ahem. Part of being religious, MEANS, restricting yourself to the conduct you think your religion requires of you. Weren’t you just talking about celibacy as part of religious practice? Certainly that requires restricting yourself, either until marriage, or, for some people, for life.”

    Right but I was referring to this statement of her’s, “Plus, we don’t have the luxury of turning the tables and asking the man out since that is not the way God has designed it.”

    She’s obviously under the impression that merely asking a man out on a date is against God’s will!

  143. Lurker No. 9 says:

    East,

    Responsibility is scary. That’s why nobody wants to have to initiate. To initiate means taking responsibility for your action of initiation. If you initiate, you have to accept the response, good or bad, or so the story goes.

  144. East is Best says:

    “Responsibility is scary. That’s why nobody wants to have to initiate. To initiate means taking responsibility for your action of initiation. If you initiate, you have to accept the response, good or bad, or so the story goes.”

    Never take it personally. There could be a million reasons someone doesn’t respond well that don’t have anything at all to do with you. And beyond that, maybe you are just not his or her type. Big deal. Plenty-o-fish in the sea.

  145. anonymous says:

    I was referring to this statement of her’s, “Plus, we don’t have the luxury of turning the tables and asking the man out since that is not the way God has designed it.” She’s obviously under the impression that merely asking a man out on a date is against God’s will!

    Yes, there are women who think that. It is a generations old CULTURAL tradition among English speaking whites, that the man makes the first move. Because it’s old, it’s one of the things that was casted down in the satanically misbegotten Sexual Revolution of the 60s. And somewhere along the way, Churchies decided to DEFEND it. Why? Apparently because it was an established custom of the old culture, it was just ASSUMED to be biblical. And I’ve heard it TAUGHT as biblical.

    But it’s not. I defy anyone to show in scripture that the man is required to make the first move. IT”S NOT IN THE BIBLE. Indeed the Bible has a counterexample: Ruth.

    Responsibility is scary. That’s why nobody wants to have to initiate. To initiate means taking responsibility for your action of initiation.

    I never had a problem initiating. I initiated a lot. I assumed it was my duty — Mom and Dad said so — and I didn’t mind that. In fact, I WANTED to initiate — I was more than happy to make the first move.

    But after initiating over and over from my mid-teens to my mid 30s, with really bad results, I had to reexamine matters. And I concluded, that if a woman is not interested enough to make the first move, the odds are overwhelming, that she’s just not interested at all. This rule served me well.

    If you initiate, you have to accept the response, good or bad, or so the story goes.

    If I POLITELY and HONORABLY initiate, I accept either a POLITE, “Yes”, or a POLITE, “No thanks.” No Christian woman had any moral obligation to date me; “no thanks’ was just as valid an answer as “yes”, although admittedly it’s more disappointing.

    What I do not accept, and do not believe I am obligated to accept, is a spiteful, rude, humiliating response to my polite initiation. “Not wanting to date a man” does NOT give a Christian woman (or any other woman), the right to be rude to that man.

  146. East is Best says:

    “I concluded, that if a woman is not interested enough to make the first move, the odds are overwhelming, that she’s just not interested at all. ”

    This is true.

  147. anonymous says:

    “I concluded, that if a woman is not interested enough to make the first move, the odds are overwhelming, that she’s just not interested at all. ”

    East”: This is true.

    And my wife made the first move.

  148. Lurker No. 9 says:

    On taking it personally:

    There is certainly room for mere, faultless lack of attraction, but when it’s clear that they reject you because despite being a good man you still live with your parents and aren’t motivated and don’t have a job, that’s darwinistic.

    Now I know even some of you hardliners are balking and saying “well in this case she’s right!” But Jesus didn’t say “love your brother so long as he’s a productive member of society,” or “Only those who are hard working and successful can enter the Kingdom of God.”

    Of course, I guess as a christian you have a reason to obediently dance when you’re told to dance and sing when you’re told to sing, even though you didn’t ask to be born.

    On polite rejections:

    Thing is, women are now giving fake phone numbers to would be suitors, on the basis that because they have no guarantee that a man will not get upset at rejection, they have the ‘right’ to judge collectively against men in that situation.

  149. Gin Martini says:

    You’re still debating East Is Best, aka Plain Jane? Just troll her back.
    [D: Done.]

  150. Luke says:

    anonymous says:
    April 25, 2013 at 12:18 am

    “If I POLITELY and HONORABLY initiate, I accept either a POLITE, “Yes”, or a POLITE, “No thanks.” No Christian woman had any moral obligation to date me; “no thanks’ was just as valid an answer as “yes”, although admittedly it’s more disappointing.

    What I do not accept, and do not believe I am obligated to accept, is a spiteful, rude, humiliating response to my polite initiation. “Not wanting to date a man” does NOT give a Christian woman (or any other woman), the right to be rude to that man.”

    A past friend of a friend had a solution to unwarranted nuclear rejection. He would ask women (in his league) in discos to dance with him. If they said no politely, he thanked them politely for their time, and went on his way. If, however, he got a “I would NEVER consider dancing with someone like YOU!!”, he had another response ready. Exaggerated body language clearly indicating great surprise, in a voice loud enough for more than a few bystanders to overhear, he would exclaim “FIFTY DOLLARS for a blowjob!?!”, then walking away shaking his head. The rude woman was typically so embarrassed that she would feel compelled to quickly leave the dance place for the night.

    Elegant response IMO.

  151. Luke says:

    East is Best says:
    April 24, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    “Never saw this in California, that’s for sure. We tried and tried and tried…. and got an epidemic of rejection from the women. I never knew any single guys who didn’t try. ”

    California is a tough market because that’s where the “beautiful people” live.

    ” The ideal of celibacy is (as I already pointed out) conducive to the Christian teaching of self-mastery and self-discipline. ”

    Celibacy has an even longer history in the Asian traditions, even for married couples.

    Its recommended that sex life be circumscribed (not circumcised), and there are certain days and times when it should be avoided altogether, particular during spiritual fasts and pilgrimages. And it expected to be totally given up at a certain age.

    I find Western Civilization’s obsession with sex and the way its given paramount importance to be utterly ridiculous.”
    ————————————————————————————————————-
    Out of curiosity, what’s your background? Are you from (or lived in) an Asian country like Japan, South Korea, or Singapore, all of whose demographics are going over a cliff from lack of sufficiently sexual (and thus fecund) marriage?

  152. Joe says:

    @Deti

    “However, men must often go months and years without even so much as receiving a touch from a woman, much less sex.”

    Ahem. Really, have you never heard of a gentleman’s club (aka nudie bar)? Just the other night I went to an upscale quality gentleman’s club which had a variety of entertainers (they all have real jobs on the outside.) I had interesting conversations, great back rubs, lots of hugs, lap sitting — all provided by very attractive women. I bought one entertainer a soda for $4.00 and the blonde I was with didn’t want anything to drink. She was at least a 9. Great evening at little expense!

  153. mackPUA says:

    @Joe

    I’m not sure a man looking for a relationship, who abstains from sex involuntarily

    Would find much solace from slutty women he’s trying to avoid, having a relationship with in the first place …

    I know men are supposed to love nudie bars, but seeing half naked slutty women, unfit for anything but sex, makes most beta’s run for the hills…

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  155. Lurker No. 9 says:

    @Joe

    You don’t understand.

    Paying for it, in any way, is essentially admitting defeat.

  156. Opus says:

    I have (yesterday) come across a convincing counter-example. By accident on You Tube I clicked on to Barefoot-Diva Sandie Shaw performing a couple of her hits from the mid-sixties – I suspect she may be unknown to Americans, so you will be in for a treat, if you check out her performances recorded last year with the Jools Holland Orchestra – the voice perhaps not quite what it once was but still otherwise very recognisable. Otherwise, she looks unchanged, which is, in itself extraordinary, and no hint of a face lift – still barefoot, slim, the shortest and tightest of mini-skirts revealing great legs, the same over-long fringed bobbed-haircut, and without a hint of grey. I don’t usually fancy birds older than me (at least not now) but in the case of Sandie Shaw [geddit] I’d happily make an exception.

    So pondering on it, (and checking out her performances from the 1960s by way of comparison) I wondered what the difference was. The answer is, I am afraid, the obvious one, that whereas in the mid 60s there was a disarming-naivety and innocence to her stage performance, now, there is a more desparate, look-at-me, licentiousness about her. Pump and Dump certainly, but surely nothing more. Still, fabulous it has to be said for sixty-five.

  157. Joe says:

    @mackPUA and @Lurker No. 9

    My comment was in response to @Deti’s observation,

    ” As a single christian man, I saw the Evangelical American Princess/Daughter of the King type more than I’d like to say. The total Christian superbitch who will nuclear reject a man who shows interest in her reached epidemic proportions among single Christian women THIRTY YEARS AGO and the problem is even worse now.”

    and subsequent conclusion,

    “However, men must often go months and years wiithout even so much as receiving a touch from a woman, much less sex. And as men, when we ask out a woman and receive a nuclear rejection, it makes us feel unworthy of female attention, and can initiate a flood of insecurities in which we blame ourselves for something we did or didn’t do or something that we are or are not that resulted in such a wild overreaction as a nuclear rejection. This paralysis can go on for years.”

    I agree 100% with the observation; it echos my own experience. The Evangelical American Princess/Daughter of the King wants the best of both possible worlds. In my experience, they want a Christian man (or at least her version of a Christian man) and a man who is (or has the strong potential) of being worldly successful. And speaking of nuclear rejection, I was invited by a Christian woman I liked to a bar-b-que at her parent’s home. Initially all seemed fine (the four of us and the next door neighbors) until later in the afternoon another guy showed up who she introduced to her parents and me as her “boyfriend” and began to shower him with physical affection. It was done deliberately to be nasty and make me feel like crap. Then there was another Christian girl in church who followed a guy out to the west coast to be with him because he was in medical school – he was laughing at how she was throwing herself at him. And there are other examples.

    I disagree with the subsequent conclusion. I see the game that the Evangelical American Princess/Daughter of the King are playing and I call their bluff. I don’t put up with it. These women are not the paragons of virtue they want you to believe. In contrast, there is no pretense with the women at a good quality gentlemen’s club. They don’t hide behind the bible. Do I admit defeat – no; I just see the reality of the Evangelical American Princess/Daughter of the King. To keep playing their game and hoping for a different outcome is, well a sign of insanity. The gentlemen’s club is the great equalizer; there is little or no rejection and the fantasy world provides a means of relief.

  158. Lurker No. 9 says:

    Well sure, the whores are at least more honest than the common woman who has a “price” on whether or not she’ll get married, but that doesn’t mean whores are alright or that men should save their pennies to partake of their wares if they can’t get any the “right” way.

    Maybe, if men are taught when young that women do have expectations and standards and expect you to be a good little boy who accepts the employer as lord and master, they won’t get such stupid ideas as “being loved for who they are, even if weak and worthless.”

    I mean, unconditional love is for losers, right? :p

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