Grannies gone wild!

Key to the process of selling divorce is convincing women that their romantic prospects don’t really decline with age.  We could easily cut the divorce rate in half if the reality opposing this ubiquitous myth was understood.  However, outside the manosphere few are aware of the truth of women’s rapidly declining romantic prospects with age, and the media is eagerly selling a destructive fantasy to women.

The New York Post has a piece out titled Randy grands take over online realm – number of seniors playing the field more than doubles which feeds the popular misconception.  While the AARP found that older men’s romantic prospects were far better than than those of older women, the NY Post gushes about elderly women as the jewel of the dating scene.  They quote 68 year old Liz Defore, whom they describe as bragging about her “online dating frenzy”:

I have hundreds of men trying to hang out with me

Then they pile it on even thicker, giving a sense that Defore is experiencing an abundance of attractive offers and that she (and not older men) is in a position to be choosy:

The Southern California native joined a slew of dating sites last year after breaking up with her 48-year-old boy toy. Now she basks in male attention as more than 600 men have come running after her self-described girlish looks and youthful mind. Meanwhile, she happily scours profiles, finding herself hot metrosexuals who slather on moisturizer, manicure their fingernails and ball out at rock concerts.

“My man can’t act like a fart! I’d rather stick pins in my eyes,” says Defore.

After a brief note that STD rates among seniors have doubled, the Post returns to gushing about the wealth of dating prospects on offer to older women.   We meet another 68 year old woman living up the single life:

“I went out on a date at least once a week. You know there are things that are fun in life, and that was fun for me!” gushes 68-year-old Judy Tatman of her escapades following her husband’s death.

If you read closely the spin of these two women’s dating experience becomes obvious.  In one paragraph they are talking up Ms. Tatman’s abundant suitors:

Her online studs varied in shape, size, color and age. Some men as young as their thirties happily went after her. “They were younger than my son! But I’m a pretty chick,” she said.

Yet in the same piece they describe the men sending her pictures as “Shirtless, weathered men”.  That her prospects as an older woman are terrible is spun as proof that older men are pathetic and desperate:

And I’m thinking, is this supposed to make me hot or something?

Despite all the abundance of choices Ms. Tatman is supposed to have experienced, we learn at the end of the article that during the course of a year she only found three men attractive enough to have sex with.  Ms. Defore, who was introduced as having hundreds of men after her and framed as in a position to be choosy, hasn’t been contacted by any men she didn’t find repulsive:

Ew, yuck! They look too old. Or they don’t have teeth. They’re yahoos with baseball caps!

See Also: Dalrock’s Law

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158 Responses to Grannies gone wild!

  1. “I went out on a date at least once a week. You know there are things that are fun in life, and that was fun for me!” gushes 68-year-old Judy Tatman of her escapades following her husband’s death.

    So, I hear ya still believe in the Soul Mates Johnny?

    Hypergamy doesn’t care what age it is.

  2. Bob Wallace says:

    I don’t; believe this; I think it’s made up.

    The women I know beyond 35 can’t find a date. When they hit 50 and can’t find one they get hostile and start blaming everything on men. Some of them even go so far as to think every men wants to rape them.

  3. Scott says:

    The current generation is so screwed up because these were there parents.

  4. WillBest says:

    I had to remind my wife of the realities as to why my widowed mom’s new boyfriend isn’t a “catch” in her mind. She is competing with 2 other 60+ women for the same men.

    From what I hear its pretty cutthroat for women up in the 60+ age range. They will start courting men before their wife hits room temperature. These women will come to realize that the men courting them understand their options better and that in a year or two if they want companionship they will lower their standards accordingly.

  5. Joe Blow says:

    Holy smokes. I knew some hamsters were strong, but these women have hamsters that must have been doing crossfit.

  6. Scott says:

    My Grandpa held my Grandmas hand when she was sick in the hospital until the day she died. It’s been 7 years and he still misses her. I guess my point is I will have 0 sympathy when these women are in a hospital bed with no one there to love them.

  7. We’re rapidly approaching a time when one can reach old age without obtaining the wisdom typically associated with it. When I have children I will not teach them to respect the opinions of the elderly by default. Their “old people” will be my parents’ generation: the money-wasting reality-tv-addicted slovenly unhealthy lazy unproductive baby boomers.

    I can only imagine their renditions on good advice.

    -A penny saved is a wasted penny. Go buy a new iPod and take out a loan to cover the rest of the cost.
    -A bird in the hand means nothing. Follow your dreams and chase the other two across the country. If you end up with no cash, no job and an STD, well at least you had fun, right?
    -People who live in glass houses should criticize their neighbors as early, often, and viciously as they can. Cause they’re a bunch of dumbasses donchaknow
    -Still waters are boring. Talk all the time and never mind what you say
    -Slow and steady is for losers. Fast and immediate’s the way to go
    -Can’t turn a whore into a housewife? Course ya can. C’mere Candi. Show your grandkid the tattoo of two dolphins kissing on your ass.
    -Loose lips are awesome in every way. Nobody like’s somebody who knows when to shut up
    -An armed society is a nation of jerks. Only jerks own guns doncha know
    -Beauty without grace is awesome. Hey Candi, get me a beer? (from the other room) Up yours, asshole!
    -A stitch in time is annoying and a hassle. Wait until it becomes a huge problem and you have no choice but to solve it.
    -Course ya can teach an old dog new tricks. Candi learned how to pole dance just last week at LA Fitness.

  8. Joshua_D says:

    Boomer hamsters are very, very strong.

  9. The singles class at “1st Megachurch of The Villages” is a hoot, but they kept having to drain the dang hot tub every week after the meetings

  10. deti says:

    Oh, come on, Dalrock.

    Don’t you know there are 79 year old knockouts just itching to get their freaks on?

    And don’t you know there are 45 year old silver foxes just hoping to pump and dump that senior citizen poon?

    Don’t you know that oldster sex is where it’s at?

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  12. imnobody says:

    How deluded American women can be? When I think I have seen it all, something even more extreme amazes me.

    @The Karamazov Idea.

    Great post.

  13. Frank says:

    The visual imagery this post and comments evoke is going to keep me up at night for a while.

  14. taterearl says:

    Men running to older women. Ha!

    I’ve seen what older women have to do to get male attention…it’s them running after the men.

    And since 80% of the guys are hard up for any female attention or have no clue how to generate attraction…they are probably flattered enough to stomach their natural desires and try it with granny. If the guy lucks into finding a younger tighter model…granny is gone.

  15. Natalie says:

    Dang, once upon a time I thought that old people getting married was cute. When our family was out traveling we heard more than one story of a widow/widower pair who got married after being neighbors for years and watching each other care for declining spouses or who met in the hospital waiting room or other situations like that. I could imagine that once you’ve been married 40 years you kind of get used to it. Probably not a huge leap from sharing coffee and reminiscing about your lives to deciding that you might as well rub along together.

    Oh well. Illusions shattered.

  16. taterearl says:

    I worked in a nursing home for a while…I was never hit on by so many women in my life.

  17. Cane Caldo says:

    They quote 68 year old Liz Defore, whom they describe as bragging about her “online dating frenzy”:

    I have hundreds of men trying to hang out with me

    Balderdash. Everyone knows: “No man has gone Defore.”

  18. sunshinemary says:

    Deit wrote:

    Don’t you know that oldster sex is where it’s at

    It’s not the age that disgusts me here, it’s the age + promiscuity thing.

    Here is how it should be:
    When my husband did his geriatrics rotation many moons ago, he told me the sweetest story about a husband and wife who both had Alzheimer’s and were in an assisted living facility. They had rooms right next door to each other, although both their memories had deteriorated such that they really didn’t seem to recognize family members or each other anymore. However, at night the nurses were always having to retrieve the husband from the wife’s room because he would go over and try to crawl into bed with her and…you know. Apparently they could sort of remember each other enough for him to keep seeking her out for sex (or an attempt at it anyway); he never wandered into any of the other old ladies’ rooms. I thought it was kind of a sweet story.

    Contrast that to the nasty old whores in this story.

  19. Joel P. says:

    “Despite all the abundance of choices Ms. Tatman is supposed to have experienced, we learn at the end of the article that during the course of a year she only found three men attractive enough to have sex with.”

    And even those are probably not what they seem…

  20. Lyn87 says:

    I was having a conversation with my wife last week about her sister. She had a kid at 20, then met a nice guy who liked her well enough to accept that as the price of having her. He raised the kid (my niece) as if she were his own, and they had two kids after that. The bastard child turned out great (we go on vacations with her and her husband), while her legitimate half-siblings are both useless. My SIL can’t cook, is overweight, is terrible with money, and her house makes a rat’s-nest look like the Radisson. The husband was far from perfect, but he’s a hard worker and he took her back even after she screwed his brother, among other things. THAT’S devotion.

    At around age 45 she divorced him. No, really… SHE divorced HIM. I guess she thought she could do better.

    Now he’s married to a much more attractive woman. Younger, prettier, slimmer, and makes good money as a nurse.

    My wife’s sister is royally screwed. She’s done so much tanning that her skin looks like an old shoe. She tries to hide it by putting on makeup with a trowel and dying her hair a color not found in nature (except maybe on a tropical fish). Her boyfriend is twice-divorced, broke, living with his mother, shamelessly leeches off her, and – get this – he’s completely and permanently impotent! She pays for everything (including his gambling habit) and he doesn’t even have to bang her!

    My wife was mystified by all that, and I explained to her that her sister, who is pushing 50, has nothing to offer a man except a little money and a slovenly body, while our former BIL had the ability to quickly trade way up when she divorced him.

    My in-laws keep telling my SIL that her new boyfriend is using her – which is true. My point is that, at her age and in her condition, that’s the best she’s going to get: an impotent, broke, leech with no job and a gambling problem – who lives with his mother.

    I told my wife that I have to admire a guy like that. He’s a slug by any measure and he gives her nothing in return (not even sexy-time – I wouldn’t do her with a bargepole), yet she has to pay his bills just to have any male companionship in her life.

    The wall can be very unforgiving for imprudent women.

  21. Novaseeker says:

    Oh come on, folks!

    68 is the new 30, baby. Just remember to bring the lube.

  22. Is there such a thing as a post post wall? The upside is, no long term commitments. If they’re in their 60’s fifteen years may see them off to the home. Plus, no baby rabies.

  23. El Bastardo says:

    Wow.
    Anyways, since they are dying soon I guess they don’t have much to worry about anyways?

    So bring on the “suitors.” Never mind the sound of crickets in the background; they will come eventually. Nothing says living like your dying as unrestrained hypergamy at old age; not to mention the lack of care for embarrassment. Yet I can’t be the only guy who thinks these “veteran battle axes” didn’t stop caring before the 70’s at the earliest when they started their sexual escapades?

    If old habits die hard; how difficult are ancient habits? Take a good long look ladies! The baby boomers have made it so this may be a retirement you can enjoy much sooner than these lovely post nubile middle aged song birds.

    Either way, If I went to a retirement home to visit family and saw a ton of modern romance novels I think it would make my skin crawl; too late.

    Good luck with that.

  24. Buck says:

    Drudge posted a picture of Hanoi Jane today with the caption, “72 the new 30″
    I almost yacked! Then laughed at the absurdity!
    Like most of the posters here, I too seldom if ever see a 40+ single woman who is “taken” or not on the prowl. Most are seriously deluded about their market value and this makes them very bitter, further harming any attraction they might muster, AND, being modern women, most can’t cook, won’t clean, and have no concept of money, so they are financial basket-cases.
    My Mrs likes to invite the lonely hearts over when ever it’s convenient and most appreciate any invitation to anywhere.
    These 40-something single gals are enough to make you want to put the suicide hotline on speed-dial.
    The vast majority are on prescription drugs (Vicodin is a favorite) or are alcoholics.
    I get hit on routinely,( when they are not trashing “men”) so yes, they are absolutely cut throat and shameless.
    Someone described older women as being sexually invisible, this is so true. When I interact with these gals my libido is snoring, I just hope it’s not audible, one doesn’t want to be cruel!

  25. Miserman says:

    From Jeff Dunham and Walter: “It’s Girls Gone Senile then its Girls Gone Saggy and then it’s just Girls Gone.”

  26. greyghost says:

    the cut off age is 40. I had a blue pill buddie that has natural game that said out loud 40 is too old. “a 40 year old woman can’t do anything for me”
    Also speaking of girls gone saggy, wait until we start to see the 35 year old tramp stamps start showing up. Stars and flowers with strech marks running through them. And the blasted faces from “getting work done” with the fake tans.

  27. 29 3/4ths greyghost, over the hill in that category.

  28. Frank says:

    I dunno, I’m in my thirties and used to think I’d NEVER be attracted to women after they turn 35, but I’ve seen some very attractive ladies in their 40s. Maybe I’ve become institutionalized.

  29. Farm Boy says:

    Is it April First?

  30. greyghost says:

    The 40 year old cut off age is for men 45 and older if that helps. Women now days are pretty much worthless they can’t cook,clean,or handle basic stuff and seem to find virtue in being the biggest burden they can on everybody emotional,legal,financial,psychological, physical what ever. It is like their worth comes from how much others accomidate them.And it is everybody from employers family and strangers. Even wives treat their husbands children like that. And then they have the nerve to talk about unhappy they are.

  31. Farm Boy says:

    seem to find virtue in being the biggest burden they can on everybody emotional,legal,financial,psychological, physical what ever

    Why is that?

  32. greyghost says:

    BTW there is different kinds of attractiveness. If i were single I would never marry so that is off the table. A woman that is physically attract gets my attention. From there the womans attitude and expectations will dictate how far things go. Some will be one nighters or regular booty calls. Some will be regular dates(hooks ups is the proper term blowing time and money on women is stupid). A prize will be one that is a girlfriend. Someone that you spend time with for reason other than sex. A woman that is just pleasant and relaxing to be around. Imagine that todays woman would rather divorce a good loyal man and be a bitch to everyone including her kids than be known as pleasant to be around(door mat)

  33. Vicomte says:

    Next week in The New England Journal of Medicine:

    Effects of Gram-Negative Antibiotics on Geriatric Gonorrhea

    Findings: Darwin was right.

  34. greyghost says:

    Farm Boy
    My best reasoning is that women as a whole know they have nothing to really offer when living the feminist frame. With an empty soul their worth comes from the laws,rules hoops others most jump through for them.

  35. find virtue in being the biggest burden they can on everybody emotional,legal,financial,psychological, physical what ever. It is like their worth comes from how much others accomidate them

    This is profoundly true. They form a narrative around this, one that affords them the ability to make statements that work as excuses, rationalizations for this needful burdening. I noted this on several occasions, in action, over the previous few days as i was traveling.

  36. Jeremy says:

    Despite all the abundance of choices Ms. Tatman is supposed to have experienced, we learn at the end of the article that during the course of a year she only found three men attractive enough to have sex with. Ms. Defore, who was introduced as having hundreds of men after her and framed as in a position to be choosy, hasn’t been contacted by any men she didn’t find repulsive:

    Hilarious… Even the grannies over-value themselves in the SMP. This is only further proof that online catalogs of single people are nothing but software-enabled distortions of human value. Women, as choosers, naturally try to never settle for less than the highest-quality item in the catalog. This is an expected behavior when you combine female solipsism with what naturally occurs with online shopping. Gone are the days when natural ignorance created viable sales for those who created a worthwhile, but lesser-reviewed product. There is no risk in waiting for the highest quality item in the online store and because it’s always available to look at and compare, there’s no reason to accept less. In fact, in an ever-evolving consumer-item market where technology improves every few months, it can actually be to your disadvantage to ever settle on something. This behavior is directly translated into the online dating world, and hence…

    you get 70-year-old women who think they’re worth your average 25-year-old rich alpha males attention.

    HI-LARious

  37. 8oxer says:

    Lyn87:

    He’s a slug by any measure and he gives her nothing in return (not even sexy-time – I wouldn’t do her with a bargepole), yet she has to pay his bills just to have any male companionship in her life.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! O my god. Sorry.

    I just felt compelled to express my unspeakable delight in the dismal trainwreck that is this woman’s life. May all frivorcers and exploiters of men find such well-earned desserts in their treachery.

    OK, back to laughing about all the other saggy hags who think they’re “all that”. Carry on…

  38. Notatroll says:

    The real story here is that the media continues to push the female-centric perspective. You can find both randy grannies and grandpas, but it’s the NY Post that decided to run a geriatric girl power story. Major Australian newspapers (SMH) run a women’s “lifestyle” section prominently (front page of the website) espousing the feminist line daily, relentlessly, with no equivalent male perspective. They are pragmatic; there are more hits and advertisers in it. I’m convinced that our culture, the souls of our women, have been sold cynically and knowingly by the alpha males of the corporate world.

  39. Farm Boy says:

    Hexagenarian Hypergamous Hussies

  40. Ton says:

    Taking back a cheating wife is not devotion, it’s an utter lack of man parts, pride, self respect etc

  41. Miserman says:

    Kind of gives a new twist on the “slut walkers” theme. ;-)

  42. By the way, for all those who are still unconvinced that it’s much easier for a woman to get sex than for a man: note that a 68-year-old grandmother “only” gets three willing and worthwhile sex partners in a year, and it’s portrayed as almost a dry spell.

    For the average 20-year-old man who’s not especially hunky, alpha, or filthy rich, 3/year would be abundance.

  43. greyghost says:

    Cail Corishev
    I was the most non game having guy out there. But with a little practice going out and just talking to women I could do one or two a week. of different women but it is work. Pleasure does not match the effort. Some guys love pulling pussy I hated the whole thing. But if you want pussy you have to do it. Any girlfriend I had was a chick I pulled. work into a club at 9-10 pm be having sex with women met that night by 230 330 AM. I always called them back and made them regular girlfriends. Would last about 5 to 6 months usually ended with them finding another guy.(never met a woman that wasn’t married or had a boyfriend ever) That period lasted three and a half years.
    A twenty year old man can fuck the hell out of 28 to 35 year old women. He just needs to understand it is just sex and those women are not wives. Good practice though, do sexual experiments on them by trying to get them to orgasm by just talking to them and holding her hand,or the slow touch game exploring her body with slow and very light touch and observing her reaction. Those were some fun times but it was work to me because I’m a true beta and that was normal for me. I would rather be boring reliable and honest with empathy (more natural for me ) and be appriciated and admired for that. Not going to happen not in this lifetime and the way things are going not in my 6 year old son’s either.

  44. Chris says:

    The article doesn’t even hide the fact that this is all happening “online”. Online is the last place where these ladies can enjoy the attention of younger guys via unrepresentative profile photos, the omission of key facts and a whole range of techniques listed here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie .

    I can believe that there were 600 guys running. Most likely running for the door after being duped by a septagenerian.

  45. Farm Boy says:

    Kind of gives a new twist on the “slut walkers” theme.

    Do the hamsters have walkers too?

    Maybe wheelchairs?

    Canes?

  46. TMG says:

    “Mrs Tatman, it’s time to take your meds.”

    “Oh, don’t you get fresh with me young’un. I know I’m a pretty girl.”

    “Mrs. Tatman, I’m going to have to ask you again to take your meds.”

    “I just talked to a reporter lady about all the boys hitting on me! Then we danced the Charleston at the local speakeasy!”

    “Mrs. Tatman, I’m going to have to report your behavior to the doctor if you don’t take your meds.”

  47. Keanu says:

    I had dinner tonight with my grandparents, who were in the great depression. I tell my grandpa that at age 26, I want to get out and live alone for a bit before settling down. Normally stoic, he looks at me and says: “When I was 26, I was married. And there wasn’t a damn thing wrong with that.”

    A yearning for a lost age, I suppose…Time marches on. And hypergamy doesn’t give a shit.

  48. Lyn87 says:

    Ton says:
    February 27, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    Taking back a cheating wife is not devotion, it’s an utter lack of man parts, pride, self respect etc

    You’re probably right, but I don’t have a better word for it. My point was that he stuck with her looooong after I would have kicked her to the curb. I wasn’t privy to all the sordid details, and he did some crappy things to her (according to third parties – I never witnessed it myself: then again I live in a different state and those third parties might have gotten the stories from her for all I know), but to my mind she forever forfeited the right to complain about anything he ever did or failed to do after that – for crying out loud: she had sex with his brother! After that she should have spent every waking moment of the rest of her life kissing his feet and thanking Almighty God that she had a man who would accept her, but instead she STILL ditched him a few years later.

    She knew some friends of ours and had them convinced that her then-ex-husband was a terrible human being. Needless to say she neglected to mention that she had sex with his brother. I told them that they knew less than half of it. I didn’t give the details, but I said something along the lines of, “If Mrs Lyn87 ever did what she did I wouldn’t be divorced: I’d be a widower.”

    I honestly don’t know why he stayed after that. Maybe devotion – maybe habit – maybe wanting to be there until the kids grew up – maybe a guilty conscience for stuff he did that I don’t know about – maybe all of that, none of that, or some combination. I just don’t know. I do know that nothing he did could justify her doing that, though.

    Part of me would like to ask him why he would take her back after that. I cannot even imagine taking back a wife who did that. But it’s none of my business, so I never did.

  49. The Karamazov Idea – We’re rapidly approaching a time when one can reach old age without obtaining the wisdom typically associated with it.

    “Approaching” ?

    When I have children I will not teach them to respect the opinions of the elderly by default. Their “old people” will be my parents’ generation: the money-wasting reality-tv-addicted slovenly unhealthy lazy unproductive baby boomers

    After all the chanting of “never trust anyone over 30″ by the Boomers (with some of their parents egging them on), it seems to have gone from a stupid idea to a self-fulfilling prophecy.

  50. Lyn87, that was just bizarre. With the exception of sex with the brother (simply because I’m not privy to the info) you just completely described my step sister. Ages and all…same story. She had a son from an affair with a married man, found a guy that would take her and her son (adopting him) had two more sons. Couldn’t stand that he didn’t want her to go to “girl’s night” any more and blew up her marriage “cuz he’s so controlling.” Pushing 50, weathered and pathetic, posting cougar pics on FB from various bars around town.

  51. Mark Minter says:

    It’s kind of interesting that for older dating on match sites, women are the recipient of the marketing.. On most sites, it’s the men that are the target, where the site is saying “Hey we got girls. Millions of them.” Even rich guy sites, the guys are still the target to say the site has whatever sort of girls the theme is about. I see these internet ads for mature dating sites and I just ignore them. I have never even out of curiosity clicked on one to see what is there. So I guess they have to go at the women and say “Hey, we got guys. Millions and millions of them. Some even have teeth.”

    I am 57. My search filters on online sites are set at 40. Sometimes I might temporarily set it maybe 44 and I am always amazed at the drop off in locks after 38. I don’t think men age like that. And even if you see some 42 year old woman that hasn’t plummeted yet, you just gotta know that crash is coming and probably pretty quick, like tomorrow probably. So for me, it’s 40.

    And really I am pretty sure any woman that has her age listed at 39 is lying.

    My nephew had come home with some school form and he was filling it out and was asking my aunt questions.
    He asked “Age?”
    She replied, “39”
    He said, “You said that last year.”
    She replied “And damnit, I’ll say it again next year when you ask me.”

    I am living proof of the Ev Pscych statement that the “mate value” of a woman is only a function of her youth and beauty. When it is gone she has no value as a mate. If she were married to me and was the mother of my children then she deserves my respect and support for that. But without that, there is nothing that could compel me to wish to be with a woman of that age. There is not enough “compensation” to justify the “cost” of having a woman in your life without the possibility of sexual relations that I would actually want to have.

    And I can pretty much say that every women over 45, doesn’t fit that category and the majority over 42. I am perfectly fine being alone and as the women of an age I will accept get less frequent to non-existent, then I am cool with that.

    Like the Marine Legal Officer said to my friend who’s wife was trying to screw him in a divorce while we were overseas.
    “Women!!! If we couldn’t fuck them, we’d put a bounty on them and shoot ‘em.”

    In Texas, we can’t really shoot them. At least not when they’re out of season. (And that begs that bad joke. “How could you shoot women?” “Easy, don’t lead ‘em so much”. )

    My opinion also is that they are insane. That saying “women of a certain age” is a quiet, politely social way of people saying that they are nuts. Strange things start happening in that mind when those women loose those hormones and they are not good things.

    Figure two things, 1) They are alone 2) They are alone. They are alone because they are either leavers or they left. Even if they are leavers, there is something wrong there.

    There is another old joke.

    A forty eight year old woman says to some man, “If I was married to you, I’d murder you.”
    The 57 year old man replies “And if I was married to you, I’d help you.”

    And they are still alone because they are either difficult or no one wants them. And it just becomes obvious that all those bad things about women, those constant outlandish demands, the negative behavior endemic to women just become intolerable once they have no sexual value. My sister is 59 and she gets up in the middle of the night and starts mopping the floor. “It was just bothering me so much.” And when they talk, it’s unbearable, they don’t tell stories. They dump their graph, everything is an explanation of relationships between people and events that connect them. “I was in Las Vegas with Jane, Jennie, and Jeanie. Jane is married and has two children and her husband Bob works for Allstate, They have a nice house out in Oak Hill, 4 bedrooms, with real nice wood floors, that they bought after Bob got promoted to district manager….” 15 minutes later she gets to the actual Vegas part of the story which ended up being something like eating at a buffet.

    So given that that body is a sack of potatoes by then, ain’t no way I’m putting up even with the woman behavior they had when they were “normal” at 25 much less the crazy nutbags they are at that age. They’re gross, far more gross then men when men get old.

    While women wish to peg men that desire younger women as “pervs”, I frankly think that having sex with older women is perverted and extremely gross.

    So while she is insulting the men and claiming she was rejecting them, I am pretty quite a few were thinking “No fucking way man.” We all know women have a way inflating attention. I am sure that those “hundreds” of men after her were probably “page views” and most of the men got through two pictures and said “No way. I am sure the first pic is 10 years old and look at how none of the pictures show anything below the neck. I am sure she is a SIS (Secret Internet Saggy).” Delete. I am pretty sure she’s shunning the web cam thing. Or maybe she has one of those “Life Lift” strings with clips that pulls that skin on her face up before she turns the cam on. And I bet a lot of these “dates” are for coffee. And given the reference to “no teeth”, those dudes are in their late 70s. And I bet a lot of those guys were thinking “I wonder if she’s got insurance”.

    I wonder if any of the dudes knew “Game” and negged her? How do you neg a 68 year old woman? “You don’t look a day over 65.” “Your turkey neck jiggles in a real cute way when you laugh”.

    On a side note, I read this article about how much sex was going on in nursing homes or advanced assisted care places. The adult children that were making the arrangements would be asked during the admission process to sign a form “allowing” their parent to be prescribed Viagra and have condoms provided. Most found it to be the most surprising, and also the most perplexing question to ever be posed to them in their life. And most said “Whatever. Who am I to say no.”

  52. kios says:

    All the women in their 50’s that i have some kind of contact with always talk about how men their age are ‘old’, and how they prefer dating younger men. The younger men they date are invariably rejects though, and the older ones tend to be broke and emotionally shattered from divorce.

    One of my close relatives has spent well over 30,000 on various cosmetic procedures over the years in an attempt to snag a well off man. So far it hasn’t worked. She refuses to settle.

  53. TFH says:

    So where is even the *small* organization of women devoted to fighting this myth? Surely some old women might organize to fight this myth, since it harms young women (possibly their own daughters)…

    Where is any organization of women devoted to helping *women* by fighting this myth?

    There is none.

    Reason : Women don’t understand cause and effect very well.

  54. Lyn87 says:

    SD,

    Is she still “slutty-hot”? Do you have her number?

    Okay, I’m kidding. Really.

    The story got ever weirder later. The first child (one of my nieces) they had together turned out even worse than her mother (my SIL). She got knocked up at 16, then married the father after high school. She flunked out of college in short order and had a second kid. They all ended up living at her father-in-law’s house (he was on his second marriage), and she ended up having an affair with him, which led to her third child. Since she and her husband were still married, she – literally – gave birth to her own brother-in-law. So my wacky SIL’s grandson is also her half-second-step-cousin-in-law or something. (That makes my head hurt.) Now they live apart, each with a different partner, but they’re still legally married to each other.

    /musing to myself… Now I wonder where she got that from…

    It’s like a freaking Jerry Springer episode.

  55. TFH says:

    Don’t forget Rollo’s SMV chart :

    This should be plastered all over the Internet by all of you. The shrieking alone will be worth it.

  56. Lyn87 says:

    TFH,

    Interesting chart, but I wonder how it works in comparison to the old “half-your-age-plus-seven-years” adage. I had just turned 25 when I met my wife, and she had just turned 20. According to the “half-plus-seven” rule we were just about perfectly matched. According to the chart you linked her SMV should have been SO MUCH higher than mine that she should not have even noticed me.

    We married four months later – 25 years ago.

  57. UnicornHunter says:

    Dalrock, sometimes I just wish you had an inbox, not that you need search heard to find grist for the blog.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/24/women-not-washed-up-in-30s

  58. Mark Minter says:

    TFH,

    Yeah but it still worked for her, The 25-20 thing. There is an Ev Psych adage about “early adopters” meaning the better sexual strategy for a younger woman is locking down good genes in the man at an early point in her sexual mate value range. Her SMV is so much lower after the first child yet she locked in the Good genes using the power she had when she was younger. And notice the 25 age for men is where the curve of SMV really starts to kick up. And also realize that is a curve for all men. Imagine a 25 year old with a degree. He is more powerful than a 20 year old girl. If he has been working as a college grad since 22, then at the 3 year mark, stuff really starts to happen for him.

    But keep in mind half +7 is kind of an alpha-ish rule. You gotta be a 7+ for your age group, vis a vis, the woman’s age group. A fat 50 year old isn’t going to work for a 32 year old woman. And as I cruised through life, the half + 7 seemed to be fitting for me. When I was 28, invariably girlfriends were usually 21-22. At 35, they were 25. Even at 50, I had a 32 year old. And it seemed quite normal to both of us. People would say to her “Mark is 50?”. And then maybe she would think about it, but in every day give and take between us, it was no issue. But I would actually say that over 40, for most women, the half + 7 really begins to set the floor, the recommended minimum, as much as the optimum age. You get below half + 7, then the power dynamic between you and girl changes and men start giving up too much power. Your chances of getting flaked get higher. And the big deal is that it is big deal for you. You start worrying more about it. There was movie called “Elegy” with Ben Kingsley. He was a much older professor, very alpha-ish, that started a relationship with a co-ed, and he messed it up. She was into it, but he just wouldn’t let it be. He was sure that she was going to leave because she was younger and some point would be compelled to so.

    A couple years ago I had this 27 year old Colombian girlfriend in Medellin. I am tall and she was very tall and there isn’t an age issue in Colombia like here. She seemed fine with it. I would say “These people probably think you’re a hooker” and she would say and mean it “I don’t care what they think.” And she seemed content and into the relationship. I had to go back to America and stayed longer than the original month I was supposed to be in the US. While I was in the US, she said she wanted to go some beach city, Tolu, with another girl, and I freaked, and she backed down, “Well then I won’t go”. And two weeks later I broke up. The zing of that threat just put a whammy on me and I didn’t want to have a girl friend that young any more. She did nothing but that same worry that Ben Kingsley had, I had. It didn’t help I saw the movie Elegy in the period between the beach trip incident and the break up. But I downloaded it exactly because of the synopsis and all it did was confirm what I was thinking.

    Also with half+7, your rate of aging vis a vis the girls screws with the comparison of the your SMV vs Hers. You start to age quicker than she is. Or maybe more correct to say there are key ages where you pass through certain thresholds. Some say it is 7 year increments. A boy is one way until 7, another til 14, then 21, 28, 35, 42, 49,56. Even as you read them, you can literally see what I mean. They are obvious key threshold points. People like to decimalize, but those don’t tell the complete story. You can turn 40 and think, “Man what’s the big deal.” But then cross 42 and you see the big deal.

    So half + 7 is cool, but those 7 multiplier years have a big impact. So you are 40 and a 27 girl is OK, you can still do stuff with her friends and they say “Man when I get to be your age I want to be just like you” (back handed insult in a way). But then you turn 42 and 28 gets a little testy, depending on the girl. I don’t care who a man is, 42 tells on your face. But then when you’re 46, a 30 year old girl isn’t so testy anymore. She really needs to stop doing the stuff that you are getting too old to be doing. At 46 you shouldn’t be in a club, and with all the 24 year old girls around, she doesn’t want to be. So the rule starts to work again.

    Realistically, when a guy is over 35, half + 7 is good for a player, a gamer, but not for monogamous relationships. You can get and have a relationship with a woman at half +7, but staying in it is hard. Her hypergamy is gonna kick in and she will be compelled to screw you around.

    A Russian that ran some matchmaking site back in the letter writing days gave advice to men about being realistic about age. She said a woman in her 20s wants a man 7 years older up to 10 years older but she will accept up 15 years older with money. She said a woman in her 30s wants a man 2-4 years older than her, and a woman in her 40s wants a man her age or a few years younger. I see that echoed a lot in the preferred age ranges on match sites.

    But I also see two other trends, younger girls are far more open with a broad age range, 30 year old women without children tighten up the age range, and while some 40 year olds specify the same age and younger, a good many open back up again like a 43 year old wanting 40-55. And women over 45 really opening the age up. But I could care less. Because I ain’t interested, ever. Not at 57 or 67. I’ll leave the country first.

  59. kios says:

    Mark: was that for Russian women? Because if so, their requirements have changed over the years.

    I’d say the 10 year rule still counts if the man has money, but i know that in my 30s it is difficult for me to lock down a woman in her 20’s for anything more than a fling at best.

  60. So half + 7 is cool, but those 7 multiplier years have a big impact. So you are 40 and a 27 girl is OK, you can still do stuff with her friends and they say “Man when I get to be your age I want to be just like you” (back handed insult in a way). But then you turn 42 and 28 gets a little testy, depending on the girl. I don’t care who a man is, 42 tells on your face. But then when you’re 46, a 30 year old girl isn’t so testy anymore.

    If you get together when you’re 40 and she’s 27, and she turns 30 when you’re 46, the cosmetic companies would probably be interested in that anti-aging cream you’re using on her.

    But seriously, the point of half+7 isn’t that it gives you the best range for dating new people every year, but that it sets up the best age match between a couple for the future. If you’re 20 and she’s 17, it’s okay for your ages to be that close because you’re getting her early before she inflates her expectations by serial monogamy and/or riding the carousel. She’s giving you her sexiest, best childbearing years, so it’s fair that she gets you young so you’ll be around for many years and not dying from a heart attack about the time you get the kids out of the house and can travel together.

    But if you don’t meet until she’s 27, it’s better for you to be 40 than 30, because you need more maturity and experience to deal with the mental issues and inflated sense of worth that she’s accumulated by then. She’s already given her best years to others, so to put it bluntly, the relationship will be more balanced if you have too. A man’s best years are generally his 30s and 40s, so if you’re 30 and she’s 27, you’re giving her your best years in exchange for her downhill years. Better for both of you to be a bit past your peak. Also, a 27-year-old woman accepting a 40-year-old man shows a certain amount of common sense and awareness of reality (unlike the women this post is about) that’s promising for her future.

  61. Mark Minter says:

    @Unicorn Hunter.

    I read the page in the Guardian. She is complaining about societal expectation of women getting married and the social ostracizing that women suffer, if they wait until 38, to thing of having children. She mentions “Indeed, when British “leftovers” suffer infertility, they must be punished for this too. And they are, if the bizarre modern phenomenon of “morally means-tested” IVF is anything to go by.”

    England has NHS, national health service. A morally means-tested IVF is used to determine if the woman should qualify for government payment for IVF treatment. If she waited and now has issues conceiving then should she receive treatment in front of a woman that is younger and legitimately is trying to conceive and took all due diligence. Because both that Britain is smaller and without state governments and because of NHS, there is a certain amount of data analysis that occurs. Men are complaining that women are soaking a good share of NHS funds with political screaming. There was an episode of a breast cancer drug that really only could be prescribed in 1 in 8 cases and was rammed through at a rapid approval trial at high cost and ended up not working. There is 6 times more money on research spent for breast cancer as for prostate cancer. Heart issues only received serious consideration once it was a topic screamed by women. So what this woman is doing is something that British women have done forever, scream and scream.

    And also what they are screaming about “These women devoting themselves to their careers shouldn’t have to sacrifice because of those misogynist men yada yada”.

    And all the data out of Britain is showing that the only job growth by women in 40 years has been in PART TIME EMPLOYMENT. The rate of full time work for women is what was 150 YEARS AGO. Take the case of a female pharmacist. A man enters to career in hope of starting a business or rising. A woman enters because she likes the flexible hours and the opportunity to work part time. British women enter medicine to work as General Practitioners and generally stay away from hospital, surgery, or specialization, because she likes the possibility of flexible hours and the ability again to work, duh, part time.

    So the question is in country like Britain that just had its credit rating downgraded from AAA to Aa1, where there is fixed and finite amount of money for NHS, is whether women that wish to work their part time job and wait and then have trouble getting pregnant, have publicly paid IVF and if no then she claims they are being punished for waiting by this “bizarre modern phenomenon of ‘morally means-tested’ IVF”.

    My opinion this article is an example of the Outrage Journalism with confrontational statements thrown to generate clicks. There 371 comments and the comments are closed. The story will be reposted in other pages exactly as it was in this page and people will click into the original page and up go the views and the profit for the Guardian. I am quite sure the editors of The Guardian are completely aware of the fiscal issues that Britain faces and well aware of the reason and justification for means test IVF treatment., yet they allow this article to be posted knowing full well, actually expecting that page views will come from all corners of the world. And if anyone calls them on this, they could say “We don’t censor our female reporters over women’s issues”.

    Women have always, especially in Britain, been permitted to run amok. Suffragettes prior to WWI were allowed to run demonstrate, breaking windows. Since they were the daughters and wives of connected men, the women knew little would happen to them. They might get “politely” arrested with a nice Bobby saying “Come along now, Missus” and hang out in some nice room with the other suffragetes until someone came for them and they had a “splendid adventure”. A petition of only 1500 signatures was received and had poltical impact. But only 50 years before, Chartists seeking universal suffrage for men were shot in the street and many of the participants jailed for long terms. The petition to the government took 6 wagons to carry to the authorities, yet it was promptly ignored. 50% of the men who were drafted to die in WWI couldn’t vote. Yet former suffragetes had no problem handing out white feathers and supporting a draft during the war to draft men who had no say in whether a draft should exist or whether Britain should be at war.

    This is just more of the same.

  62. But I also see two other trends, younger girls are far more open with a broad age range, 30 year old women without children tighten up the age range, and while some 40 year olds specify the same age and younger, a good many open back up again like a 43 year old wanting 40-55.

    That actually makes sense. Most 30-year-old women still want to have kids — many desperately so. So she’s looking 20-25 years into the future when the kids graduate and move out on their own, when she’ll be 50-55, and thinking that she doesn’t want to go right from raising kids to visiting her 70-year-old husband in the nursing home (or graveyard). It doesn’t help that she keeps being told that she’s still going to be fabulous and sexy at 50-55, so she imagines herself needing a youngish, energetic husband to take her dancing and on ocean cruises at that age.

    As soon as she stops expecting to have kids, she’s not so focused on 20-25 years in the future anymore, so she goes back to considering whatever men she finds attractive, which generally means several years older.

  63. Marmot says:

    “I just felt compelled to express my unspeakable delight in the dismal trainwreck that is this woman’s life. May all frivorcers and exploiters of men find such well-earned desserts in their treachery.”

    Oh trust me, she’ll go out with a hamster-fueled “I don’t regret anything I followed my heart blah blah blah blah men are pigs blah blah blah” bang.

  64. greyghost says:

    The stories being told in the comments are awesome. It is going to get real ugly over the next few years. http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/04/26/3916368/fort-worth-hospital-works-to-make.html
    I explained to my wife noone is looking at a 40 year old woman for anything. The love she gets is what she put in the bank as a sexually desirable woman in her youth. being a bitch and getting away with it is not going to help you in the end.

  65. Hurting says:

    Regarding age difference…

    From my convenience sample of 1, it would appear that husband 7 years younger than wife @ marriage (25-32) is not a winning strategy:)

    Cail’s point about being 40 versus 30 if marrying a wife whose 27 really resonates, but I still think it’s an uphill battle. By 27, the hamster has strong. There will be baggage.

  66. deti says:

    “women as a whole know they have nothing to really offer when living the feminist frame.”

    to put it crassly, a carousel rider really has nothing to offer other than her body. Or she believes that to be the case. Regardless, alphas instinctively know this and act accordingly.

  67. deti says:

    “I wonder if any of the dudes knew “Game” and negged her? How do you neg a 68 year old woman? “You don’t look a day over 65.” “Your turkey neck jiggles in a real cute way when you laugh”.”

    Heh. Mark Minter, you da man.

    But seriously: 68 YO women should be the grand matriarchs of their families. They should be dignified grand dames, and living out their golden years with a husband or serenely being a living example of gracious widowhood. they should not be out there sitting on the benches or the non-moving horses on the carousel, pathetically hoping for one last shot at their glory days. They should be watching their grandchildren, not trying to blow F*ckbuddy Rockbanddrummer.

  68. The One says:

    You guys are way to generous, I wouldn’t go with a women over the age 25, let alone 40. If you can’t pull 25 yr olds leave the country and see what you can pull in Asia as a white man. No Christmas cakes!

  69. I have a friend who is a few years older than I am at 68. He plays in a country-western bar band with musicians about 1/2 his age. He’s a tall, good-looking guy, young acting, and he was widowed about 6 years ago.

    He invited me and my son down to Florida a few months after his wife died. He lives in the Villages between Orlando and Ocala, and he was getting laid like carpet. Women came and went at all hours at his house, usually in the top 10% of his age bracket in looks and sex appeal. The odd thing was that all of the women believed he was exclusive with them. They would go so far as to refuse to acknowledge the physical presence of another woman in the same room with him, or a woman leaving his house as she arrived, that sort of thing.

    My friend remarked that he put no effort whatsoever into these relationships. He just fucked as many of them as made themselves available to him. These women would go so far as to construct entire Lifetime movie scripts from the barest scraps of affection; complete with nationwide tours, private islands and helicopters. His major concern was that they would go crazy and hurt each other over him.

    He met a lot of younger women at the places he played at. He slept with some of them too, but he always felt they were angling to get at one or another of his bandmates. I got a Christmas card from him and his new wife last year. She is 52 and they seem very well-matched.

  70. Elspeth says:

    Most of this is just so much bunk. Very few men under 60 are looking to marry a woman over 50. This is just more hamster food.

    However, the rapid increase in STD’s among the elderly set definitely indicative that some dating is taking place. But fornication and marriage are two wholly different things. So yeah, they’re probably getting dates and sex, but yuck!

    The idea is unappealing, not only because of their ages, but because the whole thing sadly reminds me that in 2013, age and wisdom are not the counterparts they were in years gone by. I saw an elderly woman at the bank last week wearing a Taylor Swift t-shirt. I shook my head at her right there in her line of sight.

  71. Opus says:

    1. I have just been back to Private Man’s wonderful thread concerning women’s over 40s dating profiles. I saw that I had been taken to task by one female commentator who assured me that men over the age of forty do not seek Matrimony, because they are either married, divorced, or (being over 40) are not interested therein. I replied that I suspected that there are as many men over forty interested in marriage as women over that age. Her assumption seemed to be that women under forty were simply crying out to be wedded, and thus it was a buyer’s market for men, and thus men on OK Cupid responding to women over forty had only one thing in mind – and that was not marriage.

    2. I was also looking at a thread underneath a YouTube video, in response to the video which was of a Thai Massage Parlour, (hidden camera) with all the girls available, sitting down, awaiting to be selected. (Never seen that before!). One woman assured her detractors on the thread that she was fifty-seven and had a 2.2 degree (didn’t say what in) and how terrible it was that those Thai women are ‘being treated like meat’. She did not say how she thought the women should be treated, at least for the money they earn, which I learn elsewhere, is about three times the average Thai office worker’s wages. Perhaps that 2.2 degree is largely worthless and she envies those women their ease of attracting men. She conveniently ignored the commentor who enquired how she felt about those western women who go EPL with Marco or Fernando. Male shaming you see is the only sub-text for a woman now past her sell-by date. The comments were fairly cruel to her, suggesting that she probably still lived with her mother – far more cruel than anything you get in the MRM.

    3. I take malicious delight in observing on-line the progress of my local off-line dating agency, which has been in business for a year. For those brave enough to enrol and for about $900 (special half-price offer for a limited period apparently) you are guaranteed six dates over a two year period. Amongst the FAQs is ‘Do your clients object to children?’ The reply was that some did. The point was rubbed home as a CRB check is made – all these desirable women are therfore divorcees with children. The age limit for joining is 30 – 72 (up from 65). They have yet to announce a wedding so I suppose they either have very few customers or their customers are just not hitting it off; or perhaps behind all the fancy words it is just more pump and dump. I am betting it folds and some punters will be out of pocket or at least without the promised tally of dates. A lot of advice as to how men should be; clearly Money and a Car (as well as perfect coiffure and good looks) are what is largely being recommended for any male thinking of parting with his money. A prostitute would hardly be more expensive I figure. There are of course spin-off services where you may waste more money, in getting fit, acuiring a tan, learning how to acquire confidence.

  72. Jeremy says:

    @deti says:

    But seriously: 68 YO women should be the grand matriarchs of their families. They should be dignified grand dames, and living out their golden years with a husband or serenely being a living example of gracious widowhood….

    Meh, I would not deny anyone at any adult age the chance at physical pleasure. But this is 2013, we have machines for that Grandma.

  73. Lyn87 says:

    I agree, Elspeth. Most older guys don’t necessarily want a woman who is much younger for marriage. That’s where the “half-plus-seven” thing begins to break down. It worked great for me when I was young and single (me 25 and my wife 20), but if I found myself on the market again… not so much. I’m 50 now, so half-plus-seven is 32. That’s not out of the question, but it’s getting close to the line. A 32-year-old woman would almost certainly have small children (Egads!) or would want to start popping them out immediately (absolute deal-breaker). I have no doubt that I would be able to “keep up with her” in the sack for the foreseeable future, and I certainly have more resources than I did when I was 32 myself, but, let’s face it, I’m also not as generally energetic as I used to be and I may be a bit more settled in my ways. Simply put, a 32 year old woman who met all my “must-haves” would have better options. Since I wouldn’t budge on my “must-haves,” I would have to go for someone closer to my own age or go it alone. As my old Mexican grandmother used to say, “Mejor sola que mal acompañado” (“Better alone than in bad company”).

    On that note, I appreciate the comments my question elicited. They gave me something to ponder.

  74. Lyn87 says:

    Opus says:
    February 28, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Interesting comments on the dating service in your town. I met my wife through a dating service in the late 80’s, before there was such a thing as “on-line dating.” I realize that the clients of dating services are not statistically representative of the general populace, and were probably even less so then than they are now, but the quality of the women was generally pretty low from my perspective. (In all fairness, my wife went on a couple of dates before we met and she says most of the guys were not great catches, either. One guy tried to sell her a vacuum cleaner and one tried to pick up their waitress.)

    I remember one girl in particular who picked my file and wanted to meet me. I was a 1st Lieutenant at the time, and she had an infant and was pregnant again. From what I understand she belatedly realized that she had totally screwed up her life and her prospects, and genuinely wanted to turn her life around, but as the saying goes, “You can’t un-ring the bell.” Needless to say I said, “I’ll pass.”

  75. 8oxer says:

    deti writes:

    68 YO women should be the grand matriarchs of their families

    According to whom?

    There is much talk among red pill dudes as to what women should or should not be doing, and much speculation as to why they are not doing what red pill men claim they should be doing. Allow humble Boxer to meekly interject that women are doing now what they WANT to do.

    A woman who rides the cock carousel isn’t foolishly hoping to find “the one”. She is adopting the attitude that I had when I was 15-18, which is: “It’s better to burn out, than fade away”. When that same banged-out slut hits 29, she’ll adopt the line of “O, I made some mistakes” only because she knows men (including red pill men, such as many on this web log) will buy it. She doesn’t really consider her time a mistake, but she adopts the script to continue attracting men who will pay her bills in the interim.

    Women who are 68 are doing what they should be doing, which is what they are hard wired to want to do. They want to live at the expense of men, have sex with all sorts of different men, and live without responsibility. Let’s just accept that for most women, this is the default state, and work from there. Reality may not be pleasant, but it’s real.

    Best, Boxer

  76. A woman who rides the cock carousel isn’t foolishly hoping to find “the one”. She is adopting the attitude that I had when I was 15-18, which is: “It’s better to burn out, than fade away”.

    Only she and God can really know (and she may not be able to either), but I think, from what women have told me and the way they act, they really do expect to find Mr. Right by what they’re doing. When they’re young, they don’t expect (or necessarily want) to find him yet, but they also don’t realize that they’re making that discovery harder by riding the carousel, because everyone tells them it won’t. They can watch any prime-time TV show and see that women can “explore their sexuality” and continue to be glamorous and awesome and catch a great guy in the end. It happens all the time.

    So yes, I think the girl on the carousel trying out her twelfth buck really does think maybe this will be The One, or at least that this one won’t keep the next one from being The One. The fact that that’s totally irrational and indicates that she has no ability to learn from experience doesn’t mean it’s not the case.

    As I’ve said before when this comes up, plenty of men keep right on doing the same beta behaviors that get them friend-zoned, time after time, year after year, because that’s what they’ve been told will work. We humans just aren’t very bright about some things.

  77. Elspeth says:

    Lyn,

    I completely agree. My father married a much younger woman (30 years ago) but she had a not so young kid and was very, very sure she didn’t want any more children. Ever. She never changed her mind about that either.

    As for most men preferring very young women, I’m 41 and had to tell some guy that I am married in the supermarket just last week. I don’t know if he was looking for a wife or not, or even if he was half blind or not, but make of that what you will.

    Either way, old women should be rocking grand babies and training younger women on how to be good wives and mothers, not out getting their freaks on. It’s disgusting, with a capital D.

  78. deti says:

    “Key to the process of selling divorce is convincing women that their romantic prospects don’t really decline with age. We could easily cut the divorce rate in half if the reality opposing this ubiquitous myth was understood.”

    Dalrock is stating it quite diplomatically here.

    Here’s the more blunt translation:

    “Key to the process of selling divorce is convincing older, past their prime women that their ability to pull hot alpha studs for another shot (or a first shot) at the carousel isn’t gone, when it really is. If we would just get these women to understand that their shamelessly trying to have sex with every man in their midst is kinda nutty and slutty, you could cut the divorce rate in half. And it’s not really about the sex for the women — it’s about the validation, the attention, and the fact that she can know she’s “still got it”.

  79. Cane Caldo says:

    Defore?

    Get it?

    “Where no man has gone _ _ fore.”

    My talents are wasted here.

    [D: The first comment was kinda funny, but this one is much better.]

  80. Random Angeleno says:

    My $0.02 worth of anecdotes:
    I’ve taken social dancing classes, which for introverts of a certain age I can recommend as a good way of getting out of the house and making conversation with women of all ages, not to mention a good way to stay active into old age. From time to time, I’ve noticed older (and much older) women subtly hitting on me. Smiling, batting eyelashes, flirtatious, occasionally making a “mistake” following my lead that causes them to rub up against me, etc. I don’t mind the attention, after all the point is to be sociable which is why I’m getting out there in the first place. But … but … I feel nothing for them. At all.

    I have a profile on a dating site out there (not OKC or POF) which sends me email whenever someone checks out my profile. Of the last 10, I think only one or two were younger than me. For the unscrupulous gigolo-wanna-be’s reading this, I’m suspecting there could be something there in terms of sponging off these women. I don’t need to go there so I won’t, but you won’t hear me disapproving of any guy going that way. Just sayin’

    In the past when I paid for memberships on Match and Eharmony around 7-10 years ago, about 25% of the girls I got to the first date had understated their true age by at least 5 years and 40% of them had understated their true weight or body shape. Of course those women never got a second date, I won’t sit still for that: if she’s dishonest about the surface stuff, what else will she be dishonest about? That sort of thing.

  81. 8oxer says:

    Dear Random Angeleno:

    For the unscrupulous gigolo-wanna-be’s reading this, I’m suspecting there could be something there in terms of sponging off these women. I don’t need to go there so I won’t, but you won’t hear me disapproving of any guy going that way. Just sayin’

    Over on the Roosh V forum, there’s a lot of talk about this of late.

    As far as I’m concerned, a wealthy older woman got that way in only one way: by stealing the wealth from a brother. With that in mind, I have no judgment to pass on any of the up and coming playas who are getting theirs by playing the divorce thieves. In fact, I’ll cheer em on.

    I’m not personally into the over-40 set, but if you can get it up for granny, I say take what you can get out of her tired ass.

    I have three in rotation right now and averaging about 1500 or so a month. This does not include my gifts ( I deserve them) and I get to experiment with these wounded creatures.

    Much more at: hxxp://http://www.returnofkings.com/6497/3-game-innovations-youve-never-heard-about

    Regards, Boxer

  82. Cane Caldo says:

    @Dalrock

    Touche. All my work is only guaranteed at ‘best effort’. Some efforts are best-er than others.

  83. Miserman says:

    From Victoria Secrets to Depends, fornication is still fornication.

  84. gdgm+ says:

    I’m not a Kay Hymowitz fan, but this article of hers from a few years back may be entertaining in context to the readers here:
    Desperate Grandmas

    [D: Great link.]

  85. The men who have gone Defore are the same men who have gone commando……and don’t realize it.
    “get back in your room Mr. Benefeld, and put yer pants on”

    Or, when she asks him what his undergarments smell like he replies, “depends”

    Tit for dat

  86. Farm Boy says:

    that their shamelessly trying to have sex with every man in their midst

    Well, not every man. Non sexy men need not apply.

  87. deti says:

    Cail:

    “A woman who rides the cock carousel isn’t foolishly hoping to find “the one”. She is adopting the attitude that I had when I was 15-18, which is: “It’s better to burn out, than fade away”.

    “Only she and God can really know (and she may not be able to either), but I think, from what women have told me and the way they act, they really do expect to find Mr. Right by what they’re doing.”

    I don’t know, Cail. I don’t see women expecting to get alpha commitment by riding the carousel. It looks more to me like carouselers are enjoying themselves immensely on the alcohol and alpha party train. In the very, very unlikely event they can finagle commitment out of an alpha; so much the better. If they can’t, the party train is better than marriage to, and rugrats with, a boring, ugly, stick-in-the-mud, unattractive beta supplicant pedestalizer. And, if they can’t marry anything but a beta, well, at least they’ll ride this train as long as they can and milk it for all it’s worth before they have to join the real world.

    Now, keep in mind — this only applies to carouselers. I don’t think all women think like this.

    I hope I’m wrong. But I don’t think I am.

  88. deti says:

    Cail:

    “When they’re young, they don’t expect (or necessarily want) to find him yet, but they also don’t realize that they’re making that discovery harder by riding the carousel, because everyone tells them it won’t. They can watch any prime-time TV show and see that women can “explore their sexuality” and continue to be glamorous and awesome and catch a great guy in the end. It happens all the time.”

    Now this I agree with. Every woman I have ever talked to about this is absolutely astounded to find out that men are judging them on their Ns. They are all flabbergasted to learn that their Ns matter to the men who might commit to them. They have no concept of any difference at all between their SMV and their MMV. They truly seem to believe that when they are ready to get married, Mr. Big will appear from nowhere on bended knee.

  89. deti says:

    Cail:

    Here’s why I think you’re wrong about women thinking they’re going to meet Mr. Right while being passed around from alpha to alpha like a blunt at a frat party.

    Below is an excerpt from PlanktonLife, a blog by a late 40s divorcee in the UK. In the rant below, she reveals what women really think of “niceguys”.

    “Or you get the occasional nice enough one who is really keen on you (once in a blue fucking moon) and you try your best to think yourself with him and you say to yourself, he’d be a kind enough fellow to go to the movies with and have pasta, interesting and mild. And you will yourself to think thoughts of sex with him because he is there and, as I say, kind and interesting and good enough, but the thought of getting naked with him would be like picking up a spider, or letting a snake slither round your neck or having a juddering pigeon flapping its windy wings right by your ear. And you don’t know why this is, and it feels so unfair because he’s so nice and because he’s so there, but you just can’t get yourself to relish the very concept of his bare skin and bits coming into contact with and indeed searching their way across and into yours.”

    Get that? Niceguys are not human beings. They are arachnids or snakes or disease-ridden birds. The thought of sex with such a man is viscerally repulsive to them. HUS has one such commenter, “Sassy6519″, who makes a point that she feels sorry for betas. She “wants to help them”, but will not consider dating them.

    Anyone who wishes can read Plankton’s words for themselves.

    http://planktonlife.wordpress.com/2011/12/07/sure-as-clockwork-another-random-plankton-rant/

  90. Cali Corishev: “For the average 20-year-old man who’s not especially hunky, alpha, or filthy rich, 3/year would be abundance.”

    That is for sure. When I was 20, 3 in one year would have been 3 more than my lifetime total.

  91. “Get that? Niceguys are not human beings. ”

    That rings true. It’s weird, I can imagine having sex with any kind of woman. It might not thrill me, but I’ve never thought of any type woman as being like an insect or a reptile.

  92. T says:

    I have no problem with old people dating. After they are widowed or divorced they may have a lot of years left and not want to spend them alone. However, men die so much earlier than women that there just aren’t going to be enough men for all of the old ladies, never mind attractive men. Promiscuity at that age is especially disgusting. I blame Viagra. Men start getting erectile dysfunction around 50 for a reason.

  93. Anon says:

    Farm Boy says:

    “seem to find virtue in being the biggest burden they can on everybody emotional,legal,financial,psychological, physical what ever

    Why is that?”

    Because they are old, with personality pathology that by definition will not dislodge.

  94. mackPUA says:

    @Jeremy

    “Meh, I would not deny anyone at any adult age the chance at physical pleasure. ”

    68 year olds having sex … vomit

    These feminist ameriskank hags cant even age correctly, let alone know when to close their legs

    Filthy decrepit white trash women, all of them …

  95. I don’t know, Cail. I don’t see women expecting to get alpha commitment by riding the carousel. It looks more to me like carouselers are enjoying themselves immensely on the alcohol and alpha party train.

    I don’t know for sure either, but I don’t think it has to be one or the other. Yes, they’re enjoying the party, but they’re also hoping that Mr. Right will emerge from the haze at just the right moment.

    That’s what happens in their romance porn, after all. I never watched a minute of that Sex in the City show, but my understanding is that it was all about these hyper-sexualized women riding the carousel for years and going through all the drama inherent in that, but in the end, the “heroine” ends up with the hunky prize. That what women are hoping will happen — not necessarily because of the carouseling, but not despite it either, because they’ve been taught that carouseling is consequence-free. So they’re having a blast AND waiting for sparks to fly.

  96. mackPUA says:

    @T

    Why dont you do us all a favour, go get erectile dysfunction & shove your feminist bs while your at it…

    Men have viagra mainly ‘cos the wrinkled hags & their boner killing bs they married, cant be divorced for younger chicks … ie you …

  97. Farm Boy says:

    Promiscuity at that age is especially disgusting

    Is it really better at age 18.

    And I wonder if she picks up his clothes…

  98. mackPUA says:

    @Cail

    Women who sleep around & party have MASSIVE alcohol & drug problems, depression, mental issue, bipolar etc

    Women arent wired to sleep around, all those string of failed relationships & one night stands always catches up with them

  99. Below is an excerpt from PlanktonLife, a blog by a late 40s divorcee in the UK. In the rant below, she reveals what women really think of “niceguys”.

    Very revealing (though it’s really nothing new if you’ve been in these parts for a while), but that doesn’t speak to what they think of the alphas they’re riding on the carousel. My contention is that when a woman lies down for a man who makes her tingle, she is thinking he might be The One. It may not be a strong feeling, and she may be thinking it mainly to rationalize what she’s doing so she doesn’t have to admit she’s just doing it because it feels good. But to some extent, she’s having sex with him because she hopes he’ll stay around.

    That’s what we mean by “gatekeepers of sex/commitment,” after all. A woman has sex with a man to try to secure commitment. If she weren’t attracted to him enough to want a commitment, she wouldn’t want to have sex with him. (That doesn’t mean she wants him to start writing her love letters and propose the next week, because that would be too beta. But she does want him to stick around and want to do her again.)

    That’s not to say women never want a one-night stand, but I think that’s the rarity. Yeah, there’s a lot of “hooking up” going on in colleges where the girls are consciously acting male and avoiding commitment. But look at how unhappy that’s making them. It’s just not natural; the natural thing is for them to sleep with a man when they want to secure a commitment — even if that commitment is only to call her the next day.

  100. Frank says:

    On a somewhat related note, the thread here reminds me of some of the crazy experiences I’ve had with online dating, case in point, I trade emails with one prospect who declined having coffee with me, because she decided I was too old and she wanted a companion, not a father.

    I’m 36. She was 30. Wut?

    So a 6 year difference is enough to make me old enough to be someone’s daddy? Ok now.

    I always had the belief that women in general prefer older men, but I’ve gone through an uncanny number of profiles where even thirtysomething women thought men who were, say 35 or older are “Eeeeeeewwww creepy old icky poo!” You know, the kind of revulsion I expected would typically be reserved for men decades older, not where the age difference is 10 years or less.

    The irony is that I find women younger than 30 even more insufferable due to their vacuous immaturity and preoccupation with flashing their tattooed boobs to horny betas on their Facebook wall. 30-35 seems to be the sweet spot where their maturity evolves to something approaching my own, while still retaining youthful looks, that is, until I realized age does not maturity make.

  101. Michael says:

    Ha.
    In my building there is a “hot” 66 year old (hack hack bile just rose up in my throat) divorcee living in the Penthouse unit. She’s very thin. Her skin is leathery from years and years of sun. Even today she still lays out at the pool (saggy tan lines). She has a stretched plastic surgery face pumped full of Botox with fish lips to match. As hard as she try’s no amount of diet and exercise can hide the skin sagging off her frail bones. And this is a ‘hot’ 66 year old.

    Not even the janitor would fuck her. AND YES SHE HAS TRIED. I’ve talked to many guys in the building I’ve seen her interact with after she hit on me three times. She hits on every man in this building – from myself (early 30’s) to the single 60 something year old podiatrist (Doctor). This women is the grandma-spinster-divorcee joke of the building. Not even the single successful men her own age want her.

    I live in Los Angeles. AKA spinster capital of the world. I don’t believe this article. Not for one second. And I’m interested in the authors motives for writing such a fabricated article.

  102. Michael says:

    Online dating is an ARTIFICIAL MARKET (my theory). It balloon’s a women’s ego’s like you would not believe. No matter what the site advertisers say – the ratio of men to women is off the charts. Fives and sixes receive dozens of emails every day from men way out of their league in the real world.

    Women dating online transform into a ‘boiler room’ stock. Otherwise known as a “pump and dump stock”. For those of you who have never seen boiler room basically an average low or zero value company is created on paper and sold to “investors” in a closed market. The more “investors” who want to buy the higher the value goes up. The once a few sellers start to cash out or otherwise the artificial hype/ support is removed the value comes crashing down to it’s REAL VALUE (whatever that may be).

    Once your average girl who is worth $9 a share jumps online and gets 90 emails in 3 days she suddenly BELIEVES she is worth $150 a share. Her Ego balloon’s. Suddenly the equal she got online to meet is beneath her. And only men out of her league (in real life) are now worth her time. She says to herself “I knew it – this is my real value in the open market”. Yet what she FAILS to realize is she is in an artificial market and her best case scenario (with that kind of attitude online) is to get pumped and dumped. Just like a boiler room stock.

  103. I’ve locked horns with Aunt Giggles about the Half +7 theory (another social convention courtesy of the ever self-reinventing FI) on many occasions and generally the debate ends when she agrees to the Roissy maxim that the most solid LTRs are always the result of the Man being 1-2 points higher than the woman’s SMV rating, or perceptually so to her.

    It’s important to remember the Cardinal Rule of Relationships here:

    https://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2011/08/19/the-cardinal-rule-of-relationships/

    In any relationship, the person with the most power is the one who needs the other the least.

    When a woman perceives (legitimately or not) that your SMV is above her own, the power dynamic in the relationship is one of secure attachment. However, boost that SMV beyond 3 or 4 points and the relationship becomes one based on insecurities and fear of loss (for men and women).

    Now look at this from the half +7 rule, the older a man the greater the impression that he should have matured into a higher SMV than the younger woman, and thereby is perceptually of 1-2 points than her own by virtue of his experience and hopefully affluence. Principles like Amused Mastery are only effective when a woman perceives a man’s SMV is higher than her own.

    That said, if there is any merit to Half +7 it’s more about SMV imbalance and the Cardinal Rule of Relationships than any feminine social doctrine. So when you look at my SMV graph linked earlier you can also see the age differential between the points where men’s SMV would generally be 1-2 points above a woman’s (35+) and where a woman’s SMV begins to decline (27+).

  104. Just Asking says:

    Why do you people spend so much of your life discussing things that really have no bearing on your life. If sexy grandma wants to hookup with sexy grandpa for a little action, so what. Let them have their fun. Or are you really that desperate to find something/anything to complain about and yet another thing to blame it all on women. Gee whiz people have you nothing to worry about but what other people are doing.

  105. Frank says:

    Half plus 7 has always been an arbitrary rule that was probably originally created by high school teenagers. (runs to Google…) …. ok I take that back, I had no idea it actually originated from a 60-something year old play.

    The thing is, if age makes it more likely that a man has affluence and experience, then that correlation ought to register in women’s minds when they decide how wide the difference in age they’re willing to accept. Amirite???

    Note, I only see this with online dating, an artificial market like Michael says, in real life I have NEVER seen this attitude exhibited towards me, and I pretty much look my age. I feel really good about being able to attract young women probably 15 years my junior when I’m out and about in public, and yet online I’m suddenly a pariah because I’m too old? Bizarre.

  106. Online dating is an ARTIFICIAL MARKET (my theory). It balloon’s a women’s ego’s like you would not believe.

    Absolutely. And the process of setting up profiles and filters encourages her to set far stricter limits than she would in real life. A typical 30-year-old woman who meets an alpha 40-year-old man in person might be all over him. But online, when it asks her what age range she’s looking for, she thinks, “Ew, 40 is old and I’m still young,” so she sets her range at 25-35, effectively telling the 40-year-olds to piss off.

    The same thing happens with height, with women setting their filters an average of 6″ taller than themselves. In real life she wouldn’t pass up an attractive guy her height; but online, why not set her standards sky-high? She keeps getting loads of contacts, so why not?

  107. Ton says:

    Lyn, I assume he stayed out of fear; fear he wouldn’t see his kids, fear he’d be fiscally raped in divorce court an fear he’d never get laid before. While I don’t know this man in particular, every guy I know who has rolled over like a hitch rolls because of fear

  108. whatever says:


    We’re rapidly approaching a time when one can reach old age without obtaining the wisdom typically associated with it. When I have children I will not teach them to respect the opinions of the elderly by default. Their “old people” will be my parents’ generation: the money-wasting reality-tv-addicted slovenly unhealthy lazy unproductive baby boomers.

    I can only imagine their renditions on good advice.

    -A penny saved is a wasted penny. Go buy a new iPod and take out a loan to cover the rest of the cost.
    -A bird in the hand means nothing. Follow your dreams and chase the other two across the country. If you end up with no cash, no job and an STD, well at least you had fun, right?
    -People who live in glass houses should criticize their neighbors as early, often, and viciously as they can. Cause they’re a bunch of dumbasses donchaknow
    -Still waters are boring. Talk all the time and never mind what you say

    Funny guy. Americans are cowards who behave in a completely conventional manner. Even when they blow up their lives doing something completely dumb, it’s still what all the other dumb b**ches are doing. They ALWAYS take the bird in hand. They, in fact, take the empty hand and weep with joy at the bounty before them.

    And they know all about not saying anything that isn’t approved by their group. They babble nonsense, but anything serious is shut down hard.

  109. T says:

    Why do you people spend so much of your life discussing things that really have no bearing on your life. If sexy grandma wants to hookup with sexy grandpa for a little action, so what. Let them have their fun. Or are you really that desperate to find something/anything to complain about and yet another thing to blame it all on women. Gee whiz people have you nothing to worry about but what other people are doing.

    LOL! The problem is that grandma thinks too much of herself and of her saggy vagina and must be brought down a notch.

    I’ve not seen many well groomed, feminine, old women have much trouble getting remarried, or at least a til death marriage like relationship (not made legal for financial reasons). I’ve seen some frumpy, witchy, old cows struggle to find men, but those types will struggle to find men at any age.

  110. Just Asking says:

    LOL! The problem is that grandma thinks too much of herself and of her saggy vagina and must be brought down a notch.

    I’ve not seen many well groomed, feminine, old women have much trouble getting remarried, or at least a til death marriage like relationship (not made legal for financial reasons). I’ve seen some frumpy, witchy, old cows struggle to find men, but those types will struggle to find men at any age.

    I think my point was why does anyone care what grandma thinks of her SV and why is it anyone else’s responsiblity or business to bring her down. It’s not my business what she does with her SV — I really could care less. If sexy grandma and sexy grandpa want to get married — go to it. I love seeing an old couple helping each other down the street. But if they want to get a little action, so what, I have things that actually concern my life to worry about.

  111. Wobs says:

    As you are clearly interested in divorce stats, I thought you’d be interested in the latest analysis by the Marriage Foundation in the UK. It states that divorce rates are pretty similar to the 1960s:

    http://www.marriagefoundation.org.uk/Web/OnlineStore/Product.aspx?ID=143&RedirectUrl=~%2fWeb%2fOnlineStore%2fProducts.aspx

    A discussion here:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/suzy-miller/divorce-myths-busted_b_2711157.html

  112. @Just Asking

    Massive misread on your part. Any disparaging comments about the friction generating actions of geriatrics are mainly tongue in cheek, and decidedly not the operative point Dalrock makes when he posts this. I cannot speak for him, and he will correct me if I am badly off, but the point is evident if you process this post into the corpus of posts and topics here and see that he is pointing out that the same issues creating the carousel plague the wise elderly women, the same self delusions that are legion (quite literally in some cases) in the churchian and secular fematariate do not go away do to lessons being learned, they just got gobbled into the morass like Steve McQueens blob and the morass just gets bigger, I choose morass intentionally because perhaps it stumbles on an unfortunate other correlation.

  113. T
    Men get ED around 50 for a reason indeed. You nailed it to a T.

  114. imnobody says:

    Sexy grandma? Only in your imagination …. Modern people like to delude themselves with nonsense. The ancients knew better…

  115. Harsh says:

    Why do you people spend so much of your life discussing things that really have no bearing on your life.

    Why do you spend so much time trying to correct anonymous people on the Internet who have no bearing on your life?

  116. T says:

    @ just asking – I think my point was why does anyone care what grandma thinks of her SV and why is it anyone else’s responsiblity or business to bring her down. It’s not my business what she does with her SV — I really could care less. If sexy grandma and sexy grandpa want to get married — go to it. I love seeing an old couple helping each other down the street. But if they want to get a little action, so what, I have things that actually concern my life to worry about.

    I agree with you. But the manosphere enjoys insulting women, and granny’s wrinkled up lady bits are an easy target.

  117. Have a quick read of this:

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-05-16/health/os-seniors-stds-national-20110516_1_std-cases-syphilis-and-chlamydia-older-adults

    Anyone living in central Florida knows the demographic of The Villages retirement community, but it’s generally affluent, white conservative seniors. Sarah Palin and various other Tea Party hopefuls all make a pilgrimages to the conservative friendly Villages when they’re courting the Florida vote. So don’t think it’s Baby Boomer Hippies getting their groove on is the reason for the VD outbreak.

    http://suddenly.senior.com/villagessex.html

  118. deti says:

    “But the manosphere enjoys insulting women, and granny’s wrinkled up lady bits are an easy target.”

    The manosphere does not insult women. The manosphere shines a spotlight on SOME women’s idiotic, self-absorbed, selfish, self-destructive, solipsistic conduct.

    The manosphere dispels the pretty lies and myths propagated by some women, feminists, and their useful idiot sympathizer MSM members, politicians, white knights, and manginas.

  119. 8oxer says:

    I think we should deny (insert the pseudonym of the latest attention whore here) the satisfaction of responding to her looney trolling. Just my view.

  120. mackPUA says:

    @Dalrock

    You might wanna check out this shit storm over at TheAngryDad, he’s getting mobbed by LGBT’s & liberals for stating lesbians & gays only make up 1-2% of the population …

    http://blog.angry-dad.com/2012/06/penney-ad-for-fathers-day.html

    “My complaint is about the systematic devaluation of fathers in our society.

    (As)The LGBT crowd is only 1-2% of our population

    Hardly any gay men want to get a same-sex marriage and then adopt kids. Hardly any lesbians want to either. ”

    Cue shit storm of liberal retards & manginas…

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  122. mackPUA says:

    @Boxer

    You mean T & her white knight, whiner about hypergamy empathologisian?

    T insults geriatrics having sex in one comment, then agree’s with another poster about not insulting geriatrics having sex …

    That’s one bat-shit crazy, feminist infected woman … basically the usual from gina tingle, attention whores

    Btw how come you no longer comment over at the spearhead … you’re probably one of the best commentators

  123. whiner about hypergamy empathologisian?

    What the hell are you even talking about?

  124. Martian Bachelor says:

    I recall looking at my state’s marriage stats once, broken down by age. The marriage rate for women age 40-44 is one quarter that for women 20-24. I’m not sure if a linear extrapolation is warranted, or if it should be steeper than that for crossing over the menopause chasm, but at age 60-64 it would be no better than one-sixteenth. If women younger than even the 40-44 y.o. group are screaming bloody murder about man shortages, common sense tells anyone what it would be like at age 60+.

    The OP is really about the continuing need to build up women’s self-esteem after age 40. The whole cougar phenomenon was invented about a decade back just so the tail end of the Boomer women could pretend they were “hot” as they closed in on 50. This new “sexy granny” myth is just a continuation of this.

    Y’all likely missed it on one of the many interchangeable celebrity-gossip shows, but ~2 months back they were running a photo of a newly 70 y.o. Judge Judy in a bikini. And of course all the women in the audience followed the host like sheep in wildly applauding and cheerleading about how “hot” she looked: women’s hamsters “accept the congenial as true, and reject the uncongenial as false”. (Almroth Wright)

  125. 8oxer says:

    MackPUA writes:

    how come you no longer comment over at the spearhead

    I actually got banned by WF Price several months ago. I’m still not exactly sure what I did, and no explanation was ever forthcoming, but I’m sure he had a good reason. I wish him well and intend to respect his decision.

    Best, Boxer

  126. Just Asking says:

    Harsh: Why do you spend so much time trying to correct anonymous people on the Internet who have no bearing on your life?

    Excuse me, I wrote two posts — there are over 125 posts on this one entry alone plus a follow-up specifically referencing those two posts in a follow-up entry blog. (Now, I call that an obsession with anyone that voices a different opinion). You couldn’t be more right, this blog has no bearing on my life. I was Just Asking — hence the name.

  127. nugganu says:

    My ex used to boast about her dating ‘escapades’ quite loudly when in my presence, but now she complains about being single and childless. As for myself, I am usually too busy with my daughter and my girlfriend.

  128. Joe says:

    @ Cail Corishev

    “Online dating is an ARTIFICIAL MARKET (my theory). It balloon’s a women’s ego’s like you would not believe.”

    Yes, I agree 100% The real market place of a woman’s SMV is the local gentleman’s club, aka nudie bar. There it’s a young woman’s game; by the mid to late 20’s its all over. After that age, she won’t be able to get a $1 tip. On the other hand, the younger ones have no problem entertaining male customers that are much older than their own father!

  129. Mark says:

    Lyn87 says:
    February 27, 2013 at 4:10 pm
    he took her back even after she screwed his brother, among other things. THAT’S devotion.

    No, that’s stupidity.

  130. Durasim says:

    Harsh: Why do you spend so much time trying to correct anonymous people on the Internet who have no bearing on your life?

    Excuse me, I wrote two posts — there are over 125 posts on this one entry alone plus a follow-up specifically referencing those two posts in a follow-up entry blog. (Now, I call that an obsession with anyone that voices a different opinion).

    Oh, please. If you had looked at some of the previous posts on this blog, you would see that comments easily go into the hundreds on any given subject. As for the commenters having “an obsession with anyone that voices a different opinion,” there were already 112 comments on this thread before you even posted your “why do you care?” derail. (Assuming that you are not T’s sockpuppet)

    As for the follow-up post, Dalrock did it because your comment perfectly reflected a previously documented pattern in which disingenuous persons use “why do you care?” as an ad hominem method to draw attention away from bad and unfavorable consequences of people subscribing to stupid ideologies.

    Now why don’t you go off to “The Men of Ok Cupid” tumblr and “just ask” them why they care or some such other crap.

  131. Just Asking says:

    Oh, please. If you had looked at some of the previous posts on this blog, you would see that comments easily go into the hundreds on any given subject. As for the commenters having “an obsession with anyone that voices a different opinion,” there were already 112 comments on this thread before you even posted your “why do you care?” derail. (Assuming that you are not T’s sockpuppet)

    As for the follow-up post, Dalrock did it because your comment perfectly reflected a previously documented pattern in which disingenuous persons use “why do you care?” as an ad hominem method to draw attention away from bad and unfavorable consequences of people subscribing to stupid ideologies.

    Yes there are hundreds and hundreds and probably thousands and thousands of posts on this website basically all saying the exact same thing. Though Dalrock has every right to have his blog saying whatever he wants and most times he very well might have his heart in the right place. A lot of the follow-up comments seem to be nothing more than an opportunity to bash someone else. Now I am sure I could find sites bashing men. But I have never come across anything that seems to be quite as devoted as what they call the manospere. And even some of what they write especially regarding the child custody and required paternity tests. I even agree with a lot of what they say. So if I have offended anyone with my comments I really didn’t intend to, I was Just Asking — and by the way, no one really answered that question, they basically just made a couple snide remarks, which I didn’t feel I did, but if I did, sorry. I have no idea what Men of Ok Cupid refers to, if you can answer the question without a snide remark, please do — again, I so humbly appologize for any rude remarks I have made.

  132. Just Asking says:

    What does “The Men of Ok Cupid” tumblr mean?

  133. Durasim says:

    There are two. “The Men of OKCupid” and “Nice Guys of OKCupid.” These are tumblrs created by feminist and female bloggers to denigrate unappealing and low status males who are on OKCupid. Google them if you actually don’t know.

  134. Durasim says:

    Yes there are hundreds and hundreds and probably thousands and thousands of posts on this website basically all saying the exact same thing. Though Dalrock has every right to have his blog saying whatever he wants and most times he very well might have his heart in the right place. A lot of the follow-up comments seem to be nothing more than an opportunity to bash someone else.

    First you asked “why do you care” about the subject of lecherous geriatric females, then you said “why do you care” to the people who deigned to respond to you. Now you say that your problem is with the supposed general negativity of any manosphere topic on any manosphere forum here or anywhere.

    But I have never come across anything that seems to be quite as devoted as what they call the manospere.

    If you are not being dishonest, then you must not have been on the internet much.

    So if I have offended anyone with my comments I really didn’t intend to, I was Just Asking

    Of course you didn’t intend to offend anyone. In your first comment, you just said:

    Or are you really that desperate to find something/anything to complain about and yet another thing to blame it all on women.

    And then you said:

    (Now, I call that an obsession with anyone that voices a different opinion)

    So you routinely call people “desperate” and “obsessed” and none of them take offense? What placid friends you must have.

    On the “Deflation” thread, you said:

    But I don’t dedicate hours of my life bashing them on the internet.

    If you think it takes “hours” to write one (or even dozens) of the average kind of comments you find on this blog, you must have some difficulties.

    and by the way, no one really answered that question, they basically just made a couple snide remarks

    Some people oppose and dislike certain ideologies and value systems. They sometimes enjoy hearing accounts about how people who supported those disfavored ideologies suffer negative and ignominious consequences. It can provide delight and a sense of just deserts. This is true of many groups, factions, and communities across the board.

  135. Just Asking says:

    Some people oppose and dislike certain ideologies and value systems. They sometimes enjoy hearing accounts about how people who supported those disfavored ideologies suffer negative and ignominious consequences. It can provide delight and a sense of just deserts. This is true of many groups, factions, and communities across the board.

    I know it doesn’t take hours and hours to write one response. If the people on this board enjoys reading and then posting about others negative consequences, that’s up to them. No, I do not spend a lot of time on the internet, and just happened across this blog. And I did go back and read what I had written and can see how it could have come off as offensive. So for what it’s worth my appology was genuine.

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  138. Michael says:

    Does anyone have any background of the author who wrote this diluted article? Is the author a women?

  139. Michael says:

    Confirmed. Author is a women who also writes for match.com.

  140. 8oxer says:

    Aahhh… snatch dot com; a veritable goldmine of journalistic standards, that.

  141. terri says:

    my take on the divorcing x wife

  142. jadoescher says:

    The only reason women care when hubby dies is that he can’t take care of her anymore. It has NOTHING to do with love or loss or missing him or anything. when my grandpa died, the whole focus was on grandma, and how she would survive without him (not well, she broke down completely over the years). Men actually miss their wives when they die before their time.

  143. Paul says:

    There are some women who are extremely attractive into their 40s. There are the exception rather then the rule.

  144. Sharon says:

    I’m guessing many of you guys didn’t attend your 30 year high school reunion: the women looking more or less the same (you still recognize them), the men? oh my goodness, morphed into entirely different animals: hairless or grey hairs with odd body shapes, sun wrinkled faces, blood pressure pills and you know what that means….

  145. Durasim says:

    the women looking more or less the same (you still recognize them)

    Some of us did, and the women did not look “more or less the same.” And anyway, you do not have to go to a high school reunion to compare how people looked in high school and how they look 30 years afterward. Some of the woman ballooned before they even hit 30 and started looking like surefire diabetes cases. And sometimes you cannot recognize the women because of the botox and six-inch layer of makeup.

    Not saying that all female persons depreciate faster than male persons, but your suggestion that all women weather the years with grace and beauty while men become fat, diseased slobs is just laughable. Compare Petraeus and his wife.

  146. Oh Sharon… really? Oh damn, must have really burnt you out to find the old football captain and his team were too old to do you in the locker room like 30 years before…

    Oh for shame, Sharon!

  147. Michael says:

    The idea must be subconsciously part of our culture in this country. Women think they will always have options. The 26 year old front desk receptionist who turns down good men she would not otherwise meet will have plenty of time to lasso that ever elusive CAD Alpha male well past her thirties. After all if women are fifty and fabulous what’s the rush.

  148. Luke says:

    T says:
    March 1, 2013 at 8:19 am

    @ just asking…
    “I agree with you. But the manosphere enjoys insulting women, and granny’s wrinkled up lady bits are an easy target.”

    FYI, T, the vast majority of women observably are NOT ladies, but are common women.
    Another term would be needed. (Vag, crotch, snatch — all these work well enough, certainly better.)

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  151. M Simon says:

    Ben Franklin on older women:

    They don’t bleed. They don’t breed. And they are ever so grateful.

    The manosphere is not a new concept.

  152. Someperspectivehere says:

    You act on this site as if the average man has so many choices of younger, attractive females. That couldn’t be true. If it was wouldn’t more men of all ages initiate divorce more? The average guy is a slob with a beer belly and an average salary. He isn’t particularly romantic and doesn’t know how to really make love to a woman. Most young women don’t want older men, they can do much better. Especially if they’re attractive. It’s the alpha guys, with the tight bodies and high powered jobs who have the choices. That’s why it’s in most men’s best interest to find a wife or girlfriend.

  153. Ri Ri says:

    “Key to the process of selling divorce is convincing women that their romantic prospects don’t really decline with age. ”

    Forget romance. These old peeps are swapping STDs by the thousands;

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-05-16/health/os-seniors-stds-national-20110516_1_std-cases-syphilis-and-chlamydia-older-adults

    While quality romantic prospects certainly decline with age, low quality sex with old geezers on Viagra doesn’t.

    Another reason to oppose Viagra being covered by insurance (which it currently is).

  154. vio says:

    You are unnatural american puritans who rationalize too much. In the most backward of villages women have sex until very late age, men as well. Basically people have sex until they die. Without any hangups and analysis. The widows too get “serviced” by men (not their own obviously). Humans are sexual and it is not just reproductive. Children masturbate way before puberty.

  155. JDG says:

    vio – I’m beginning to think you are a lying troll who has never been to a 3rd world country, let alone grew up in one.

  156. Honeycomb says:

    @JDG ..

    I agree (re: vio). She appears to be a troll.

  157. M Simon says:

    vio says:
    August 21, 2014 at 5:54 pm
    Children masturbate way before puberty.

    Wish some one had told me. I missed out.

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