Man up and marry those sluts, Friday afternoon light reading edition.

Don’t worry men, there are plenty of slightly used career women getting ready to marry.

Reader imnobody linked to an article on a site called The Gloss titled 7 Things I Should Have Told My Grandparents When They Asked Why I’m 28 and Not Married.  It offers some insight into the thought process of the unprecedented crop of marriage delaying women.  The whole slideshow is what she wishes she would have said instead of running away and bursting into tears when asked.  Just remember, she really isn’t worried about it.  There is absolutely nothing wrong.  So stop making her cry!

Even better than the article and slideshow are the comments, especially this one:

My married best friend’s mother does this to me. Finally I just told her: “Because everyone I know who got married before they were 30, ended up being chronic adulteresses.” Don’t know if she knew about her daughter’s plethora of affairs before, but she does now, and she hasn’t bothered me since.

Evidently not enough time on the carousel means the woman is too slutty to marry.  Make a note of that men.

From the same site, also for your reading pleasure I offer I’m Single, But I Want A Wedding:

…(because I would, one day, like to get married) but that I am not saying “I want to get married.” I want a wedding. I want to plan a wedding. There’s a pretty massive difference.

You may also enjoy  I’m Engaged! What I Learned From Twenty Years of Dating:

Oh look, I got engaged!

I’m happy and all, but if you talk about that too much, half the women you know are all like, “Bitch.”

Then comes the era of Men Whom You Live With…

Her fiancé must be so proud to read this.  Just think of all of the great things she learned from those other men she was with.

In praise of a decade-plus on your own

I care about getting credit — and professional respect, where it’s due — for my work. I care a lot. I don’t see any point in the false humility of pretending otherwise. Professional respect is an important part of a gentlewomanly life.

That feminist merit badge is critical to get before getting married.  Otherwise you risk being one of those mothers whose only accomplishments are having long hair and wearing prairie skirts.

On a more serious but related note, earlier this week I stumbled onto a series of recent articles triumphantly declaring that college educated women don’t have to worry about delaying marriage.  From the NY Times opinion section, The M.R.S. and the Ph.D.:

Is this really the fate facing educated heterosexual women: either no marriage at all or a marriage with more housework and less sex? Nonsense. That may have been the case in the past, but no longer. For a woman seeking a satisfying relationship as well as a secure economic future, there has never been a better time to be or become highly educated.

From the Chicago Tribune, Women say ‘I do’ to education, then marriage.  The subheading trumpets Study highlights historic reversal: Women with degrees more likely to wed than less-educated counterparts.  There is just one small problem;  the study is of women who were born from 1958 to 1964.  It turns out that almost all women currently in their late 40s and early 50s got married.  I could have told them that.  Unfortunately the generation of women this is aimed at aren’t acting remotely like the generation of women in the study, as the chart at the top of the post demonstrates.  Some choice quotes from the article:

Now, marriage is an achievement women make after they are educated and start their careers

And, making the same point I made here:

…college is no longer a “marriage partner market. College girls look at the men they are dating as Mr. Right Now, not Mr. Right.

Referencing the same study, is Slate XX with College-Educated Women No Longer Risk Being “Old Maids”.

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174 Responses to Man up and marry those sluts, Friday afternoon light reading edition.

  1. Feminist Hater says:

    Wait, so are they saying a man’s choice is between a slut and an adulteress? Wow, are they really wondering why men treat them like crap? Sometimes I think I’m dreaming, none of this nonsense could possibly be real and then Dalrock comes and slaps me back to reality. Flabbergasted really… or perhaps not.

  2. lavazza1891 says:

    The answer must: “Because I hope it will happen without me setting up making myself into wife material as a priority.”

  3. Opus says:

    Over here, its wedding bells; yes the 28 year old niece of a friends of mine has announced her engagement to her live-in lover – a nice easy-going chap so I am told.

    This is the conversation between my friend and his menopausal, unmarried, childless, sister, who is presently undergoing debt-counselling:

    Friend: Is she pregnant?
    Sister (snapping and spitting blood): Just because that was why you had to marry your wife doesn’t mean that every women who gets married is pregnant. (Sister storms off).

    Oh dear, I think friend hit a nerve. – I have just remembered: she and I were romantically linked for about a quarter of an hour before she ditched me for some other thug – many years ago. Hahahaha.

  4. Hung One on You says:

    God, what a sad state of affairs we are living in. This is coming from a guy who dated a girl for two years, pretty much offered marriage, makes 140k, is stable, loyal, is 5-11, 171 lbs, half decent looking and willing. What’s the problem? I turned too beta and got insecure about some past Alpha ex who was dialing her up.

    What’s her background? She is 35 years old and didnt’ even have a boyfriend for two years before i met her.

    Behold the face of female hypergamey, choice addiction and “God has a plan for me.” She has no idea how stupid she is. SHe is likely looking at a life with no children or a man who is divorced or cheats on her.

    As for me? I have a date with a smoking hot chick on Monday. Time rolls on baby!

  5. Ceer says:

    I read 7 Things I Should Have Told My Grandparents…and left a comment. Let me cross post it here in case it gets taken down.

    ———————————————————————-
    These are the reasons stated by a person who’s streaming right at a life full of cats in old age.

    1. At age 27, women’s fertility starts to decline drastically, and chance of birth defects skyrockets. This is a biological fact. It’s dangerous to mess with mother nature.

    Sure, you can adopt. Except someone else has to have the baby. The world is full of women just like you who put career ahead of family and wound up with adoption as their only option. There’s a serious glut of families willing to adopt, and not adoptable babies. They have NO trouble finding families for them.

    2. Yetta’s status with your family has nothing to do with your own life choices. Chances are, grandma and grandpa are harping on her WORSE.

    3. Another red herring. Men have their own issues. Many of them are related to female selection practice…it’s not the men wanting to delay marriage. It’s the women.

    4. You’re trying to poison the well here. At 30, I know a good mix of men and women who have started marrying. I know not one, but several very bright and pretty girls who did it at the age of 19. They have a wonderful personalities, and obviously made finding a marriageable man a priority.

    Did you not get the memo? That’s how mature people act. They prioritize what’s important.

    5. You spent the last few years loading your plate with work like your vision of an alpha or workaholic man. The thing is…most MEN don’t even do this.

    But now that you’ve sunk in all this time, you’re emotionally invested in the status quo. Which is why the grandparents are asking questions. They realize if things stay the way they are…you’re destined to wind up old cold and alone.

    6. Ah yes, half of all people don’t bother to study how to live with a roommate, gain control of emotions, live within their means, and learn about their sexuality. Tell us…which of those describes you?

    7. This is the “modern is better so we have to chuck out everything that existed before me” canard. Outcome independence on an emotional level is a key skill in being able to step back and make an honest self-assessment. But you’ve gone way overboard on one side (marriage) only to sink on the other (career).

    “Pass the cream cheese”…? You sure seem to be treating this important topic like a mature, responsible adult. It’s great that you appreciate the gravity and importance of … cream cheese.

  6. Dalrock says:

    Here’s another one from the same site: My Ex-Boyfriend Is Getting Married Tomorrow. Here’s How I Plan To Cope. I don’t want to give too much away, but in the article she claims:

    I would not want him back, mind you, and we’ve loosely remained friends, but again, all I can say is still.

    Slide 7 says:

    When all is said and done, I’ll come back to the East Village, call up Tattoo Guy and have my way with him. He will compliment me and make me feel amazing as usual, and I’ll be OK with my ex having gotten married “because somethings just aren’t meant to be.” Yes, that’s what I’ll tell myself… as I reach for some more vodka.

  7. The evidence of female skill for lying is never so evident as they skill with which they lie to themselves.

    BTW its my birthday, so I hope you don’t mind the gratuitous link-

    My debut novel- The Violet Collar- is free today on Amazon, for anyone to download. It’s a love story that even the guys can appreciate, and the women love it. I’d love to get the manosphere’s take on it. Please do get your free copy, it really helps me – and soon, I will unveil the book I am about to release called “The Altar”… a Fireproof smackdown if there ever was one.

    thanks guys. Cheers!

    [D: Happy birthday. Good luck.]

  8. sunshinemary says:

    Dalrock wrote: There is just one small problem; the study is of women who were born from 1958 to 1964. It turns out that almost all women currently in their 40s got married. Unfortunately the generation of women this is aimed at aren’t acting remotely like the generation of women in the study

    Ah, but the author of the article tells you why they aren’t acting like the previous generation:

    From the “7 Things” article: I’m a modern lady and modern ladies laugh at the topic of marriage

    What she doesn’t say is why. Why do modern “ladies” laugh at the topic of marriage? The impending permanent Spinsterhood Society is going to be a seriously unfunny joke.

  9. greyghost says:

    This article would make a great ad for a male pill. I fully encourage women to follow the lead of these pioneering women of education and finacial independence.

  10. deti says:

    “This article would make a great ad for a male pill.”

    And for steel-belted radial condoms.

  11. ooops. Don’t know why the giant pic happened. Sorry.

    Anyway, download the book please. It’s free today!

  12. Kinght, White says:

    I honestly feel sorry for them. They’ve been misled the same way that we have. They believed to the fat, ugly, hairy cunts (Dworkin et al) because they thought the hairy cunts had their best interests at heart. The female hive mind is too stupid to break free of the paradigm, and the ugly feminist policies have led to the diminishment of the male such that women feel they must work to ensure their own security. Respect and careerism has replaced feminity and family. It’s such a shame. Hopefully the pendulum will swing the other way at some time in the future.

  13. TFH says:

    Two of the *cruelest* things that can be done to a young woman are :

    1) Deceive her about how easy it is to get married after 30, to the type of man she could have gotten before 30.
    2) Deceive her about how easy it is to get pregnant after 35.

    Surprise, surprise, the biggest inflictors of this cruelty are other women. Also note that there is no counter-organization of realist women who combats the spread of these two self-harming beliefs.

    Where is the organization of women to combat these beliefs?

    For that matter, where is the organization of paternal grandmothers who have lost access to their grandchildren because their son (the father) was forced out of their lives?

    And people claim women are capable of understanding cause and effect.

  14. El Bastardo says:

    Wow, so women are not faithful? But my virgin wife was promised to me on a unicorn with a pitcher of beer in each hand? She lied, unicorns don’t exist?! I feel so suckered, witch!

    I think this why brothels were the only source of real employment in medieval Italy. I’m starting to see why.

    Seriously though, after reading this I can’t wait for the next chick to speak to me about how she can’t find good men anywhere! She will wonder why I am laughing, and to get her tingle going, I’m just not going to say anything when she asks what my problem is. I might snap and slap her. Oh, and then I am going to leave and never speak to her.

    I read that article on how Obama is going to force “gender equality” in STEM classes. Maybe these harpies will finally be able to become good mathematicians, and solve the equation for why they are so retarded? Only to find out that men of the ancient world figured it out eons ago by just looking at them, and said go to the kitchen, and make me a sandwhich!

    Problems of the universe solved people, we can all go home now!

  15. TFH says:

    College-Educated Women No Longer Risk Being “Old Maids”.

    Of course not. The concept of ‘Old Maid’ is obsolete. It is now ‘Old Slut’.

    A few of them even get to be known as ‘cougars’. If they are lucky, a rookie PUA will use them as a training program so that he is prepared for the younger chicks he really wants.

  16. TFH says:

    I read that article on how Obama is going to force “gender equality” in STEM classes.

    And another 10 million jobs will swiftly depart to India and China.

    These countries can scarcely believe their luck. Wealth is being forced onto them without even having to ask.

  17. TFH says:

    Samuel Solomon,

    Congrats!

    Perhaps you can list which Androsphere ideas we might find appear in both the Violet Collar and The Altar.

  18. TFH your comments rock. I will see about doing a summary on both.

    The Violet Collar was written at my very first stages of the red pill. The Altar comes after an old idea revived and mixed with a heavy dose of Dalrock and the Androsphere. I’m bringin it hard now

  19. TFH says:

    Samuel Solomon,

    Thanks!

    One thing I found interesting about films like ‘Fireproof’ is the stunning ROI they generated. A $2M budget got $40M in box-office receipts (this is not even counting DVD/rental revenue). Almost any film producer would love to have numbers like that. This shows how much women want to be fed such refuse..

    Surely, a film with non-misandric memes could also do well. Maybe one of your novels might become screenplay too. If the profitability of the opposing niche is an indication, this might be entirely possible.

    Lastly, consider Kickstarter as a way to get donation funding for novels (and also gauge the market interest of various ideas). A bunch of people making small donations that add up to $25K or more couldn’t hurt :

    http://www.kickstarter.com/discover/categories/publishing?ref=sidebar

    Getting paid *first*, rather than a trickle after publishing, is possible in this day and age.

  20. Suz says:

    Happy Birthday Samuel! I’ll be reading your book, thanks for the download!

  21. greyghost says:

    Samuel Solomon
    What is the theme of your writing. Are they romance,relationship or just plain interesting stories.

  22. Miss_Fu says:

    @ Samuel
    Hey! It’s my birthday also! Happy birthday, sir, and congrats on the book. I will certainly download it to read.
    Coincidentally, it’s my 28th, so this blog post came at the best time. Dalrock, where are the stats that show the percentage of women ages 25-29 who’ve married, by decade? I want to get an idea on how much that number has changed and I’m quite sure you’ve mentioned it before. Thanks.

  23. jg says:

    Maybe this new blog post from OZConservative will be as illuminating as well…

    http://ozconservative.blogspot.com/2012/07/two-canadians-hit-nerve-with-london.html

  24. I write love stories. I don’t know if they would be called romance novels because I have never read one to this day. They do fit the basic criteria. My themes are more Dominant/submissive in tone. There is romance, and there is relationship theory. I like to take themes and theory and instead of expounding in black and white, I set them into characters to illustrate the inner conflict of coming to terms with a difficult point or issue, with a great deal of external conflict as well. I try to write with heart, and not cheese, if you know what I mean. I also finished one in December called The Gypsy Queen which I will be releasing very soon.

    TFH I am looking at the Kickstarter stuff these days. I am highly aware of the Fireproof box office, and I am very much targeting the very things you mention. This story is going to be beautiful, but controversial, and I have many aces up my sleeve I will play with all the skill and hustle I got.

    I wish I could tell you more, but I mustn’t. I can say that it will be available within a month, and I’ll give a shout here when it is.

  25. El Bastardo says:

    @samuel solomon

    I like your ambition, I hope your writing is every bit the sexual pantomime of two professional latin dancers exhibiting rumba, A Tango, and bachata. It does not get more hot than that, I just hope you can avoid the sell out editors that will try to convince you to convince mainstream.

    Women like latin dancing for just the reason stated above. You are going to get crap from both sides though, so good luck! Me, I can’t say I am into romance novels, sailor who dumped the trail of broken feminist hearts all over the world here. Although I would do a book review for a brother (read fellow blogger). I may not be the best choice though, I am like the guy in the truck commercial who did not see the romance movie, too busy building crap. LOL

    Good Luck!

  26. Will says:

    Right on cue…..

    http://uk.lifestyle.yahoo.com/calls-for-unmarried-couples-who-live-together-to-have-same-rights-as-those-who-are-married.html

    “Calls for unmarried couples who live together to have same rights as those who are married
    The lack of legislation for the millions of families in cohabiting relationships has been criticised by the UK’s top female judge.

    Baroness Hale, a member of the UK Supreme Court, has called for cohabiting couples in England and Wales to be given the same legal protection as those in Scotland.

    The judge is an admirer of the Scottish law that prevents couples who are unmarried from missing out on the financial and legal benefits of matrimony.

    Baroness Hale made the remarks after the Supreme Court recently upheld a ruling by the Edinburgh Court of Session and ordered a man to pay his former cohabiting partner nearly £40,000 after their relationship broke down.”

    Every year since 2005 in the UK this has been brought up in the media. Its just a matter of time I think until this becomes law in england and wales.

  27. sunshinemary says:

    @Samuel Solomon
    Downloaded your book – thanks! I’m a tad nervous given that the other recommended reads that popped up were BDSM books with lingerie-clad women on the cover. LOL

  28. haha thanks SunshineMary.. you’ll find my work to be quite tasteful, I think. BTW I subscribed to your blog today. I look forward to checking it out.

  29. sunshinemary says:

    @SS
    Oh, thanks for having a look at it! You’ll likely find it very basic, probably below your level – I’m not trying to generate anything too deep there. It’s sort of aimed at women who aren’t going to come within 200 yards of the manosphere but could benefit from the teaching. But I’d love feedback/constructive criticism from some of the veteran Christian manosphere bloggers!

    Oh, and happy birthday! You share a birthday with my seven-year-old. She got to spend the evening at Chuck E. Cheese – hope you got to do something equally as fun! :)

  30. Durasim says:

    From the NY Times opinion section, The M.R.S. and the Ph.D.:

    Yes, all summed up and presented by Stephanie Coontz, the feminist version of Saeed al-Sahhaf (the Iraqi politician who claimed that the Iraqi Army was invincible, while Abrams tanks were pulling up behind him).

    Coontz is the feminist reassurance commissar. Anytime that there is some trend or meme (like the Bolick article) which undermines feminist promises of fulfillment and gratification, Coontz issues her official proclamations:

    “Pay no attention to that counterrevolutionary propaganda! Follow the feminist precepts and you shall have an esteemed degree, high professional status, free sexual reign, an ideal compliant mate, and your own biological children when you are 50.”

  31. Johnycomelately says:

    Will’s link has a link to an article calling for the banning of ‘forced marriages’ (for women obviously) and legislation being introduced to make it illegal. The irony of the fact that cohabitation laws are a form of forced marriage for men is lost on them.

  32. A♠ says:

    @Hung One on You,

    “Behold the face of female hypergamy, choice addiction and “God has a plan for me.” She has no idea how stupid she is.”

    You reminded me of this lyric:

    “Well, she’s so f#@king stupid that she’s singing along…”

  33. Gamerp4 says:

    greyghost says:
    July 13, 2012 at 4:15 pm
    This article would make a great ad for a male pill. I fully encourage women to follow the lead of these pioneering women of education and finacial independence.

    Even i Encourage them GG but I also want them to turn themselves into lesbians, i dont want these cockroaches infesting the world with their bullshit ideologies, their genes are not needed, we have enough infant & childless hags on board already. But overall I think that every time i read something where there is “Man Up” i just burp at the article because i have eaten enough “Man Up” & “Grow Up” doses of pills that now my stomach cant take anymore.

  34. Will says:

    Johncomelately

    I also saw that link on the banning on forced marriage [for women]. The irony was not lost on me either.

  35. Will says:

    Gamerp4

    “Man Up” & “Grow Up” only applies to Men though, Women can do whatever the hell they like.

  36. Jacquie says:

    @ Samuel Solomon
    Just wanted to send birthday wishes and thank you for the info about your book. I have it downloaded and will give it a read.

  37. Will says:

    Re Forced Marriage for Men, I’m reminded of someones comment that the Laws in the Feminist Anglosphere are becoming the equivalent of reverse Islamic Sharia for Men.

  38. Jon says:

    >>And for steel-belted radial condoms.

    Amusing!

    >>I’m reminded of someones comment that the Laws in the Feminist Anglosphere are becoming the equivalent of reverse Islamic Sharia for Men.

    This exactly. Either men exploit women or the reverse depending on the society – you can see how it must be difficult for those of another culture being exposed to feminism and raw hypergamy!

  39. Jon says:

    [And you know, for an average decent nice guy/and probably his wife too, marriage in a Muslim/Sharia law Country must be a big win compared to the same guy in the West - if only they had the same job opportunities/pay and benefits that we get in the West.....!]

  40. Will says:

    @Jon

    Theres quite a few western expats living in Turkey. Its quite a popular tourist destination and doesn’t seem to be doing too badly economically. I know of guys via the internet who have moved to Turkey and Indonesia to escape western misandric laws and the western SMP.

  41. Jim says:

    Oh boy do I see this all around me. It’s why some men can rack up women like no other. Meet, get sex the same night, about a week later woman starts bringing up dating and then poof, the man is gone. And now it’s too late to stop it because women like that are a dime a dozen.

    I dare say that if women do find a guy that actually does call them back after the talk about dating, they’d better suck that dick everyday. With a smile.

  42. greyghost says:

    Dalrock and all I got this exchange from the I’m single and want a wedding article. Damn! I’ve never seen anything like this as much crap as I have read and seen from vidoes of behaedings to news stories of any kind of madness there is always a twisted logic to it. This is childish insanity here. If it wasn’t for the laws of misandry that these “women” voted for it would be funnier than it is. The closest I’ve seen to something like this was seeing multiple back to back episodes of Bridezilla playing in the background while on line

    By Magda
    107 days ago
    Like a year ago I decided that if by the time I turn 29, I am not anywhere near being married (not even in a relationship, because some of those never end in marriage) but if when I turn 29, I am not close to being married, then I will spend the year leading up to my birthday planning an extravagent 30th birthday party, on the scale of a wedding, Im talking ushers and my friends in formal dresses and gift registry and all. Like, I want save the dates and everything. It will be beautiful.

    So beautiful that I want people to think I was left at the alter or something. Like they expect a wedding,, but nope, its just me. =)

    Or maybe I can fake an engagement and then bask in peoples sympathy when the “groom” doesnt show up… ohhhh!!! That sounds FUN! I love making things up!!!

    Reply By Jennifer Wright
    107 days ago
    Magda! I think I know men who would be down to be your pretend groom. This is a great idea! We can pull this off!
    By Magda
    106 days ago
    Yessssssss!!!! I will be counting down the next 5 years. 4 years? One would assume that I must first weave a tale of a fake relationship before holding a fake 1 year engagement.
    The ultimate question would be what would be the correct relationship/engagement time span to elicit the most dramatic reaction?

    This woman Magda is going to have it all Damn it, wife status no wife obligation and free and single incase “Mr Big” comes along. It is obvious she has wife envy and self centeredness that is even stronger and a hamster that is capable of making a nice comfortable space for both.

  43. sunshineintokyo says:

    @ greyghost

    That is sad and pathetic. No wonder these women are aggressive and pissed off most of the time, and look fucked up. They’re literally mentally unstable.

  44. Number 6: Most of my friends are still single. So it’s not like I’m the only one!

    Oh great… because the fact your friends are living like that means that your own hopes and dreams don’t matter.

    And even if I was, who cares? Half of them will probably get divorced anyway and then we’ll all be unmarried together again!

    With an attitude like that… yes, chances are most of you will be getting divorced.

  45. Nine Furies says:

    Whoa just read that gloss article. How could any man read that and not realize that women must be controlled/trained for their own fucking good.

  46. TFH says:

    Here is the most horrifying part of Will’s quoted article above :

    The judge is an admirer of the Scottish law that prevents couples who are unmarried from missing out on the financial and legal benefits of matrimony.

    Note how they frame it as though BOTH the man and the women receive ‘legal benefits’, when in reality, they just want every possible interaction a man has with a woman to involve him paying for her in some way. Note how sneaky the language is throughout.

    Part of the problem with marriage in general is what really are negatives for the man are depicted as positives.

    He gets put under laws where he has to pay his life’s earnings if she gets bored? A positive!!
    She gets fat? A positive!!

    This is an important dimension of ‘man up’, because being a ‘man’ in the view of the ‘man up’ crowd requires seeing these major negatives as positives.

  47. TFH says:

    Why would Mr. Big want Miss Pig?

    That is the question that should be posed to these ‘I want it all’ sluts..

  48. Will says:

    TFH, what concerns me if this becomes law, is what is deemed to be cohabitation?

    I heard of a case in canada where a couple who maintained seperate residences were deemed by the court to be cohabiting because the Man spent four nights a week at the womans house, which cost him half his assets after the relationship ended.

    It creates the potential for false accusations of cohabitation with resulting asset seizure.

    So now we will have another category of false accusations to add to; false dv accusations and false rape accusations.

  49. Opus says:

    The result will be that men will wise up and think better of cohabiting let alone marrying, thus reducing women to fuck-buddies. This is surely the inevitable next step in response to Predatory Feminism. I think it can then only be taken one stage further were the State to conclude that non-cohabiting LTRs ought to be treated as marriages, when men would just refuse to see a woman more than once (which is basically how I have treated women since the 90s one woman: one day has been my motto). Any similarity between that and unpaid prostitution is entirely coincidental.

    Game Theory – Prisoner’s Dilemma – predicts that if the woman plays hawk I will play hawk and indeed I will play Hawk first just to be safe. The risks of playing Dove are just to great – at least playing Dove terrifies me.

  50. Opus, yes. But when feminists change the rules, some men get caught. Either they made decisions based on older rules, or they are a bit slow and lack cunning, or they are the trusting kind.

    The powers that be do seem to be clampimg down harder and harder on men. We are clearly seen as a danger to good order. Practically every social change in my lifetime seems to reflect paranoia about men. The only good thing I have seen government do specifically for males is a little belated concern about boys in schools.

  51. TFH says:

    TFH, what concerns me if this becomes law, is what is deemed to be cohabitation?

    Will,

    In America, the worst outcome is not from cohabitation or even childless marriage, but rather if there is a child (marriage or not).

    The man is immediately assigned a court supervisor, even though no real wrongdoing is even alleged, and under the Bradley Amendment, can be jailed if he falls behind in payments, even if he loses his job (payments still accrue, job or not).

    Having a child in the US puts the man at risk of both debtors prison and slavery, whether he was married or not.

  52. TFH says:

    Opus,

    The result will be that men will wise up and think better of cohabiting let alone marrying, thus reducing women to fuck-buddies.

    Take it one step further, how is the UK even able to pass laws like this (40,000 pounds paid out), when nearby countries like The Netherlands and Germany have legal prostitution for as little as 60 Euros (or so I have been told, I have no direct experience)?

    A payout of 40,000 pounds could finance one trip to Germany every 3 months, and 10 hookups per trip, for the next 20 years….

    Men in the US don’t have this option, but British men are not far from places of legal and inexpensive prostitution.

  53. anon says:

    TFH,

    Canada’s actually a good option for a lot of American men willing to go that route. It’s not quite as cheap, but it’s legal and the quality is good.

    The problem with prostitution in the anglosphere is the stigma that surrounds it. Which is a shame because NOTHING, other than perhaps a male pill, would do more to redress the balance of power in men’s favor than cheap, legal, and most importantly de-stigmatized prostitution.

  54. TFH says:

    anon,

    That is why I say that by 2020, VR Sex will be advanced enough to be a killer.

    If a small number of men are already addicted to Internet porn today, VR Sex will be vastly more addictive.

    The technology doesn’t have to be perfect. It just has to be good enough to keep beta males home and disengaged, and also make their brains such that they find 7s in the real world unacceptably ugly.

    It won’t be a conscious addiction. Beta males will simply find themselves slipping into addiction without realizing it, not going out on Fri and Sat nights, and getting a warped brain that sees 8s as the new 5s.

    2020.

    Is it good for society? No. Does it transfer a lot of costs of misandry onto women and away from men? Yes.

  55. “Here’s another one from the same site: My Ex-Boyfriend Is Getting Married Tomorrow. Here’s How I Plan To Cope. I don’t want to give too much away, but in the article she claims:

    I would not want him back, mind you, and we’ve loosely remained friends, but again, all I can say is still.

    Slide 7 says:

    When all is said and done, I’ll come back to the East Village, call up Tattoo Guy and have my way with him. He will compliment me and make me feel amazing as usual, and I’ll be OK with my ex having gotten married “because somethings just aren’t meant to be.” Yes, that’s what I’ll tell myself… as I reach for some more vodka.”

    Dalrock………….. OUCH. Well found, thanks for that.

  56. freebird says:

    48 years,never married,never gonna marry.
    I saw cousin of two years younger,after two divorces he’s not letting a woman cohabitate either.
    He’s apying out CS to two girls,his eldest,16 was with him.At 16 had the permascowl down pretty good.
    Busy texting during dinner.Lil princess has it all (for now)
    20 years from now,will be a different story.

  57. Johnycomelately says:

    Concerning cohabitation laws there have been several high profile cases in Auastralia involving mistresses and wealthy men.

    The most alarming trend is that couples don’t have to necessarily share accommodation for the courts to deem cohabitation, if the court finds that excessive distance to work inhibited continual domestic arrangements a couple may still be deemed to have had a cohabitation arrangement..

    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=664147

    So at the flip of a coin a girlfriend may claim cohabitation even if there were no joint living arrangements.

  58. kingoleer says:

    TFH Is it true that there is no female equivalent of the manosphere? There’s no female presence that is saying “hey, we’re getting screwed by our own side”? I had never really thought about a female manosphere until your comment but what you said makes sense. Has anyone encountered anything remotely approaching a female version of the manosphere?

    Thanks again everyone for your interesting discussion!

  59. greyghost says:

    The cohabitation laws show that the lack of marriage is having an effect. So they are expanding the definition. Like TFH siad earlier the US is based on the birth of a child. Legally the only thing lower than a father in the US is maybe a male child molester. A male pill ends the conversation here in the states. One five year stretch of men on the pill and say just 20 percent of the 30 plus carousel riders going for the usual types will get into their fourties childless screwing everything in sight trying to get knocked up.

  60. Höllenhund says:

    The BS articles you linked to are so incredibly lame and mind-numbing it’s not even funny anymore.

  61. Opus says:

    I have been looking at the chart at the top of the page again. If one concludes that a woman really needs to marry between the ages of fifteen and forty-five then by the age of thirty she is half way there, yet as the blue line for twenty-nine year olds shows as it rises exponentially, those women at the half way point are approaching or have just passed what must be the 50% tipping point.

    Of course, if the courts are going to treat cohabitation as equivalent to marriage then it may be that which is causing the rise in unmarrieds. I am still not sure who is responsible for the marriage strike: men or women? Most people seem, at the least, to live in some sort of meaningful relationship with another person.

  62. TFH says:

    kingoleer,

    No. There is not one. If there were, their blogs would be in the blogrolls of Androsphere blogs…

    If there were even a *small* organization of paternal grandmothers who, upon being cut off from their grandchildren because their son (the father of the g-kids) was cut off due to default mother custody, half the battle would be won. Even a *small* such organization of ‘Paternal Grandmas Against Default Mother Custody’ would be hugely instrumental to getting this lunacy removed, old women being politically powerful and all.

    But there is no such organization…

    Nor are there organizations of women, even small ones, that fight against the misleading of young women about their marriage/fertility windows. This is women attempting to help women I am talking about here.

    No such organizations. That means extremely few, indeed hardly any women truly see the scope of the problem, or can connect cause and effect to a sufficient degree.

  63. Education then marriage, so often a direct route to debt and divorce. On the other hand, we would never expect to see the fallacy of the modern feminist show up in actual demographics, and if something turns out “bad” I’m sure that they’ll be the first ones to blame their insipid ideology. What are women getting educated in, exactly? Home ec might actually be worthwhile (if the tuition was priced economically that is).

  64. Will says:

    I Art Laughing
    “What are women getting educated in, exactly?”

    Mostly non STEM, non Business degrees. As I understand it, Womens degrees include a not insignificant amount of time devoted to Feminist Gender Studies. So most Women who attend University are being indoctrinated into Feminism.

  65. P Ray says:

    @TFH:
    1) Deceive her about how easy it is to get married after 30, to the type of man she could have gotten before 30.
    2) Deceive her about how easy it is to get pregnant after 35.

    Some years ago (if I recall correctly) there was a female Surgeon-General that tried to do that.
    She was set straight by the feminists that all she was doing was encouraging young women to make bad life decisions by settling down early with financially precarious, inadequate-in-terms-of-education, immature men.
    Ah, women.
    They’re the biggest misogynists :)

  66. P Ray says:

    Also @TFH:
    Good article about how feminist lies about prostitution are debunked:

    http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/prostitution/feminist-arguments-against-prostitution-dismantled

    and a woman who “helps” the disabled with their sex lives

    http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/sexual-healing-20111125-1nxkc.html

    Just as not being able to get a baby is a disability for women, I propose not being able to get sex as a disability for men.
    Or do women not see men as equal to them? :)

  67. sunshinemary says:

    Kingoleer wrote: TFH Is it true that there is no female equivalent of the manosphere? There’s no female presence that is saying “hey, we’re getting screwed by our own side”? I had never really thought about a female manosphere until your comment but what you said makes sense. Has anyone encountered anything remotely approaching a female version of the manosphere?

    I think Full of Grace, Seasoned with Salt is pretty close, as is Ladies Against Feminism, and Complementarian Loners is half-written by a woman (I also have my own little blog but there isn’t much there yet). I know someone will probably now list 500 things wrong with those blog, but don’t directly compare our abilities to the manosphere. Our focus and our writing style is different, and women’s ability to argue logically in the abstract is not nearly as good as men’s, but there is a growing minority of women who are becoming more vocally anti-feminist. Some of us are pro-Patriarchy, some of us are pure MRMs (I think GirlWritesWhat would be an example of that?), the majority of us are Christians, and we are not many in number yet, but like Horton’s Who, we’re here!

  68. sunshinemary says:

    Greyghost wrote: A male pill ends the conversation here in the states. One five year stretch of men on the pill and say just 20 percent of the 30 plus carousel riders going for the usual types will get into their fourties childless screwing everything in sight trying to get knocked up.

    I’d like to think there will be a magic pill that will correct misandry, and if I thought the male birth control pill were it, I’d probably donate money to the cause of creating it, but….I don’t think this will solve the problem wide-scale. It will protect some men from “oops” pregnancies, so it will be useful in that way. But in terms of slapping some sense into feminists, I think not. If a male pill is invented, sperm will simply become a commodity like any other. It doesn’t take a whole heck of a lot of it to do the job, and if the price per shot rises high enough, there will always be some guy willing to fap into a cup for cash. Unless those guys suddenly start being held responsible for the resultant pregnancies…

  69. Agree with SunshineMary re those blogs. And, until it went dark, Traditional Christianity was pretty good and run by women.

  70. El Bastardo says:

    @sunshine mary
    I’d like to think there will be a magic pill that will correct misandry, and if I thought the male birth control pill were it, I’d probably donate money to the cause of creating it, but….I don’t think this will solve the problem wide-scale. It will protect some men from “oops” pregnancies, so it will be useful in that way. But in terms of slapping some sense into feminists, I think not. If a male pill is invented, sperm will simply become a commodity like any other. It doesn’t take a whole heck of a lot of it to do the job, and if the price per shot rises high enough, there will always be some guy willing to fap into a cup for cash. Unless those guys suddenly start being held responsible for the resultant pregnancies…

    I don’t have the article on hand, but that does happen. Our problem, yours and mine, is that the sociopaths running this operation have no scruples abour ruining others lives for cash. The adoption agencies of Utah is a great example! A man wo was duped, but wants to do the right thing has to fight a corrupt system all the way to the supreme court to establish his rights! How messed up it is.
    The thing is, in this situation the children are not human beings, but a commodity! Something to be bought, and sold. However they do it like the sub-prime mortgage markets. The parents still have rights, but someone else is betting on their debts they have been duped into amassing through divorce; and then the rights to that debt is bought and sold for a profit, with the losses being taken by the taxpayer!
    We are dealing with court professionals, beaurocrats, and politicians who are so brainwasehd in some cases, or worse completely sold to the ideas of feminism. Either way, they are very entrenched! A male pill is vehemently opposed by them, an I can prove they are deep in the FDA, to guard their future earning potential. Otherwise we would have already had several male options complete human testing by now. If we combat them the otherway, as many men here are doing, they use “common law” marriage to force their oppression through the courts. The whole scheme is predicated on taking one dollar, and taxing it multiple times. It can be a house, or having and buying stuff for the kids.
    1. You buy it, taxed once or twice
    2. You sell it taxed.
    3. you divorce, taxed
    4. you pay alimony/support, both are taxed multiple times!
    A. The payer is taxed
    B. The receiver pays sales tax, and buys more which is tax on the seller

    I could get more in depth but I won’t. I strongly feel that most of the national debt does not exist, because the same dollar is counted by different people who don’t communicate. Also, most people got wealthy of housing, stocks, whatever off of the loan/usury systems of banks. I think if we could actually count everything, many people who are called wealthy today, would not have enough to buy a candy bar, let alone the mansions they “own!”

    Sorry for the long tirade, but you are right; there is more going on! Fathers/mens rights fighting feminism is a distraction! Feminism is a symptom, not the source!

  71. Terse_man says:

    At the other end of the scale, the non-educated end, women have it pretty good. Lots of goodies, and the ability to have bad boys, as evidenced by this

    http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/a-picture-of-how-redistribution-programs-trap-the-less-fortunate-in-lives-of-dependency/

    Your tax dollars at work

  72. imnobody says:

    Thanks Dalrock for the attention to my link.

    OT again. I never paid attention to the lyrics of this beautiful song. It’s the song of a beta who wants to get a carousel driver.

  73. Terse_man says:

    I read that article on how Obama is going to force “gender equality” in STEM classes.

    There are reasons that the guys are in STEM and the women are not. The probability curve of intelligence distribution for guys is much flatter, meaning that most of the highest intelligence people in the world are guys (and also most of the low intelligence people also). Intelligence is what is needed for STEM, along with desire and perseverance (testosterone helps here). Women are mostly interested in chick stuff and cushy jobs, so force feeding into STEM will not work. What will result is damage to the entire STEM field. Since STEM graduates are very key players in the complex economy of today, big economic damage will result.

  74. P Ray says:

    @David Collard
    And, until it went dark, Traditional Christianity was pretty good and run by women.
    Not with gems like these:
    Alte

    August 27, 2011

    The difference between a “basement virgin” and a “real virgin” is that the basement virgin is sitting in front of his monitor masturbating to porn and ripping into women he normally wouldn’t have a chance with. I don’t think basement virgins are even necessarily virgins, but they are definitely mean and unchaste. It’s a mentality.

    The name is something men came up with, by the way. We women used to call them “basement dwellers” or “bitter betas”, as we didn’t assume they were all virgins, but the Roissian version has caught on now. Roissy is big on virginity.

  75. sunshineintokyo says:

    P Ray

    I remember that thread, and it was very rich coming from women who fornicated before marriage. Of course they have to humiliate and degrade male virgins so they feel better about their loose morals.

  76. greyghost says:

    Sunshinemary
    It is already starting to happen now. open your eyes and don’t allow personal fear blind you. Dalrock himself has wrote about it http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/07/11/over-promise-under-deliver/ Just the poor choices women make will cause a shift in the feminist meme. This is real pain in the lives of women to even acknowledge following the feminist herd is in any way bad for women. It only takes a percentage of the 100’s of millions to make a huge noise. if 30 percent of the beta men and 80 percent of the men women pursue (alphas,PUA, thugs and high betas like a rich guy) for sex and relationships are on birth control the numbers are huge and will cause a population and cultural shift. If you are married and fuck your husband you have nothing to fear in that world. I wouldn’t get bored in a world like that but then again nobody gets bored in a world like that.

  77. Höllenhund says:

    I remember that thread, and it was very rich coming from women who fornicated before marriage. Of course they have to humiliate and degrade male virgins so they feel better about their loose morals.

    That’s hardly surprising. Blogs written by women for women are destined to become quasi-feminist, gynocentric echo chambers.

  78. Terse_man says:

    Blogs written by women for women are destined to become quasi-feminist, gynocentric echo chambers.

    Echo chambers are not necessarily bad, it all depends on what is being echoed. Does it agree with the real world, or is it something that violates reality (e.g. laws of human nature)? In the case of many women’s blogs, the latter is true.

    However if one could get the herd moving in the right direction via echo chambers, life would be better.

  79. greyghost says:

    Terse_man

  80. greyghost says:

    Terse_man
    A reponsible leader and one on the red pill understands youcannot change female nature but you can change the direction of the herd. A childish, vindictive and wickedly selfsh centered woman can be be a good and loving person with those characteristics as amazing as that sounds.

  81. Terse_man says:

    @greyghost

    Yes, very true. One has to maintain game forever though. Is it worth it?

  82. sunshinemary says:

    Greyghost wrote: It only takes a percentage of the 100′s of millions to make a huge noise. if 30 percent of the beta men and 80 percent of the men women pursue (alphas,PUA, thugs and high betas like a rich guy) for sex and relationships are on birth control the numbers are huge and will cause a population and cultural shift.

    I can see how a male birth control pill would definitely eliminate the “oops-I-accidentally-got-pregnant-on-purpose” pregnancies that draw some men into financial bondage. Recall, however, that I am a devout Christian, so I would prefer to see MGTOW and not dip their quills into poisoned inkwells. However, for those who wish to do so, and their willing feminist sex partners, I fully agree that a male pill makes sense. However, I think that the forty-something women who are childless will simply end up purchasing semen as a commodity in order to have a child. What is removed from this equation is (for now) any direct financial support from a man to such women. I hate the idea because it is so very bad for children never to know who their father is, but you may be right that it could have the potential to effect change…still, I am not convinced; as El Bastardo explained above, taxing men and redistributing their resources in that way might negate the benefit of a male pill. Instead of supporting one woman’s “oops” baby, men might end up just supporting all of them as a group, which they already do for lower class women.

  83. Jon says:

    >>Instead of supporting one woman’s “oops” baby, men might end up just supporting all of them as a group, which they already do for lower class women.

    Surely if there’s a big pool of these oops baby mamas buying or aquiring sperm covertly, then the State will need to mandate DNA testing of citizens in order to track down the fathers and make them pay.

    I’d freely donate my sperm @ 1 Million USD a pop but not a penny less!

    In addition, if Women are having babies but are not in a position to take care of them or support them, surely that’s a case for the child services department to step in and the Women charged with neglect and cruelty.

    Male contraception will come soon and it will be a gamechanger.

  84. sunshineintokyo says:

    Höllenhund

    That’s hardly surprising. Blogs written by women for women are destined to become quasi-feminist, gynocentric echo chambers.

    I want to see Christian blogs written by women where they truly lived the ways of life they claim to support. And I don’t mean mastered the act of closing their legs after decades and how they’re a “deep” and “religious” person now cause they’ve found a desperate beta provider.

    I’m starting to think their powerlessness over things is what makes them religious, and irrational. When there is nothing to explain things, and there is no solution, you turn to God. They get pumped and dumped constantly and have no way of explaining it because whatever effort, or strategy nothing worked.

  85. Terse_man says:

    When there is nothing to explain things, and there is no solution

    They should come to the manosphere. It explains things. And it matches reality.

  86. greyghost says:

    Sunshinemary
    The world you discribed is a very unique and limited world and will not make a cultural shift that is needed. The sperm bank semen puchase will not be there. Try to understand how misandry in the name of feminism works. With fewer pregnancies the next place it attatch a man is at a sperm bank. men that donate will be required to pay CS. Also the percentage of women that are in a position to buy semen and get artificially insemenated is extremely small. And no amount of taxes compares to being on child support arrears. Nothing can negate the power of a male pill. It is the middle class career women that have eaten the forbidden fruit of femminism that are going to suffer and rightfully so.
    As a christian woman allow yourself to accept as good the self inflicted pain caused by turning their backs on god. Think of the term involuntary childless spinsterhood. You are not a warrior but I am and have accepted the wicked selfish nature of feral females we have today. Only large numbers of suicidal cat ladies,cutting babies out of pregnant women, spending millions on IVF will bring deserving women who choose to god. (don’t waste tears there has to be consequences) just make sure you are strong enough yourself to tell the harsh truth.
    a guy posted this up on the spearhead commits and is something you should see http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/15/us/two-classes-in-america-divided-by-i-do.html?_r=1&hp
    The article was not meant to be seen as I see it but it is something that needs to be understood and for some one taking on the role you have it is a must. This is the goal in my eye the rift between the familys is supposed to be there as it should.

  87. greyghost says:

    Yes, very true. One has to maintain game forever though. Is it worth it?
    Look at where you are and why

    Yes

  88. MaMu1977 says:

    @sunshinemary

    Half of all of the “buyable” sperm on the planet comes from America (IIRC, another 30% comes from Denmark and Belgium.) Why, you may ask? The abovementioned countries are the highest-profile countries in which sperm donors have neither rights *nor obligations* to their offspring. The US is the sole anglophone country (even if you take the various non-white English-speaking countries into account) in which the courts have consistently struck down CS for donor sperm-conceived children. When the UK and Australia upheld the idea for CS for donor sperm-conceived children, donor pools from the entire Commonwealth dried up in less than a year. Same as in Scandinavia, where a pair of rulings in Sweden and Finland (rulings that basically removed anonymity from donors, meaning that any guy who needed beer or book money could eventually open a door and be greeted with a surprise child) were quickly used to change laws in all of their affiliated countries (with Denmark being the sole Scandinavian holdout and Belgium being… Belgium. :-( )

  89. sunshinemary says:

    So. Reading through the comments that explain the result of enforcing CS for donor-conceived children makes me rethink my position. Might it come to pass in the US that donors are held liable? At present I think no, but who’s to say what the future might look like? It seems like feminist-influenced legal precedent is an exponentially-growing monster; after all, who had ever heard of a woman’s “right” to tax-payer-funded birth control until a few months ago?

    Greyghost wrote: As a christian woman allow yourself to accept as good the self inflicted pain caused by turning their backs on god.

    This is probably one of the areas of my thinking that has most changed since I stumbled in the manosphere a few months ago. Previously I thought young women were just ignorant and didn’t understand the repercussions of their actions; now it seems more likely they are willfully ignoring those repercussions.

  90. JoeS says:

    “And, until it went dark, Traditional Christianity was pretty good and run by women.”

    No it was no run by woment David Collard. You say a lot of nonsense. I think being in lands like Australia, NZ, Canada, hobbles a man’s sense of reality.

  91. JoeS says:

    I’ve been re-eading some Thomas Hardy here. I don’t know what to make of his “happy endings” where the poor reliable beta ends up with the girl when her bad boy husband gets killed. Feminism comes from the UK, no doubt about it.

  92. gdgm+ says:

    Some of the feminist / “blue pill” comments on the New York _Times” “Two Classes” article are truly something, such as this one from one Ms. Egeli on July 15 at 10:56 AM:

    Marriage is an economic commodity, now controlled unequally by men. Women are not “buying” into it now for very logical reasons. It’s not a good deal! A decent living wage might help otherwise failing relationships to survive. Women believe in a relationship until proven to be mistaken, which is statisically, 50% of the time. Clearly, children are just the helpless by products of a society driven by the needs of men to own and control others. Our unhealthy earth and the diseases now emerging is a clear metaphor for the dominating tendencies of men to destroy nature for its resources. Bring back the goddess. Let men revere women for a change and revere the earth/nature as well. It is at our own peril we ignore this need to change. Instead of judging these poor women, we should be looking at what causes their problems, as this article attempts to point out.

    SMH…

  93. Terse_man says:

    @gdgm+

    My vote for hamster of the year. Shield women from the consequences of their stupidity, and this is what you get.

  94. lzozoozozozo

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    hey heartsitsez!! dis morning i went to church and wortee a poem soem poetry dedicated to jeststh and moses and aoslsomon and god! lzozlzzo

    Today’s “Church”
    is little more
    than a front
    for the banking cartel’s divorce and child-support industry
    today’s church
    is like a used car lot
    where the pastors and preachers
    try to get you to buy
    a cum-guzzling, beatup old woman
    with dents and dings from lotsa cockas
    with the living spawn of the assclomns and douchetards
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    as she opended it freeely for tehmz lzlzlz
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    and now the preacher tells you
    that she is really good as new
    so “man up!” the lordeth commandeth! zlzolzoz
    and buy the gas-guzzling broke-down money pit!
    which other men drove for free
    hen it was younger hotter tighter
    and fifty pounds lighter!
    for free before the rust ate it out
    alongside the tongues of many menz
    who deluged her in buckets
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    from teh pulpit! lzozozol

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    for past use of a puusy
    but dat is what the beranke corporate-church-state
    dost to thou via alimonies
    and child support
    which yuor ex will use
    to fund future assocking sessions with other men
    da central bankers and your preacher
    exalt in humiliation
    abortion and assocking aare not enough
    but they must make good men
    pay for it
    and den do dey clap witheir stanaic liteles hands
    and counte their fiat dolarz
    and say “god is good yah god is good” lzozozlzo

    the preacher commands you to say “i do.”
    as ben beranke slips fiat dollars into the preacher’s pocket
    knowingly winking at your wife-to-be
    who was buttcocked and desouled
    in a secretly-taped butthexting session
    by neocon heroic butthexter sodomite
    tucker max rhymes iwth godlman sax
    lzozlzzlzzozo

    he got her ass, and soon,
    so very soon, while the wedding cake is yet moist
    as mosist as her pususy was for all da assockers
    dat got her beforre you
    she will seize your assets and children
    and hand them
    over to the buttehxting corporate state church cartel
    lzoozozozzoz

    such is the way
    of modern marriage
    in da buttehxt matrix

    i can show you the door
    neo
    but you will have to walk through it
    without dripping on all da lostass cocatsskskas
    in her fitrue wives bbuthozlzozlzozlzozl
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  95. Terse_man says:

    The two women in the article live in the same city as I do.

    Alas poor Anal Arbor, I knew it well. Actually, it is not poor (they were all chased away), but it is anal.

  96. Terse_man says:

    Yes, very true. One has to maintain game forever though. Is it worth it?
    Look at where you are and why

    Tis true. What pisses me off is that in the olden days (i.e. 40+ years ago), such measures were unnecessary, as women were trained for their roles, and filled them well.

  97. Terse_man says:

    Bring back the goddess. Let men revere women

    Be worthy, then maybe we will think about it

  98. JoeS, it was run by women. By Alte and then Alte with Elspeth, Morticia and others.

    I was there, reading and commenting, for a number of years.

    You seem to be misinformed.

  99. JoeS says:

    I’m sorry I misunderstood. I didn’t think you were talking about a forum, but about Christianity itself.

  100. SunshineMary refers to her sex’s lack of analytical ability. While I think she is correct, there are the usual exceptions, and Alte, for all her faults, had a good analytical mind. And she seemed to be prepared to come up with strategies to get men out of the legal hole. Feminists may not be great thinkers and analysts, but they have had remarkable success in changing society. Perhaps men did the heavy lifting in response to feminist emoting. Perhaps, like a marxist coup, it has been achieved through a small power elite. But it has been achieved nonetheless.

  101. JoeS says:

    David Collard, women were not the legislators, the lawyers, the police, the professors, the employers, or the producers of mass media entertainment. They weren’t the clergyman who decided to turn traitor. Feminism is destroying the welfare of the common man for the benefit of a hedonistic overclass.

  102. “Darryl X July 15, 2012 at 15:19 writes @ the noble spearhead:

    Yup. Today, just about any wife will defy her husband and work to destroy everything he does in the name of God. And with help by the government, she doesn’t have to work very hard. She demands to be the center of attention and puts herself above her husband and God. And the churches promote this idea by pedestalizing women in the church when they should be condemning them at all opportunities. The institution of marriage is a primary mechanism of how the government has violated separation of church and state and corrupted the church.”

    YES! EXACTLY!

    what the churches no longer teach is the fundamental law that jesus came to fulfill–from the KJVB GENESIS:

    “16 Unto the woman he said,

    I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception;
    in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children;
    and thy desire shall be to thy husband,
    and he shall rule over thee.”

    by eliminating MOSES and GENESIS from the CHURCH, the CHURCH is now serving SATAN, as the bankers enslave men to gina tingles and butt tingles while deconstructing and denying God.

    women are taught to first and foremost serve the corporate-state’s bottom, line after their own bottoms are lined with semen, as they are methodically desouled in neocon asscocking sessions which are really just typical preemptive neocon wars waged against both the soul and the butthole.

    neocons profit via debasement and debauchery of both the currency and the culture. in the same way they profit by turning education and healthcare into debt-creating vehicles, they also profit by transforming marriage into a debt-and-debauchery-creating system.

  103. Iowa Jim says:

    Just turned sixty yesterday. Never married, never will. Never fathered children, never will. I knew that I’d made the right decisions, but reading posts and comments on sites in the manosphere makes me very grateful that I was born with a below-average sex drive and a far-below-average tolerance for women’s hostility.

  104. sunshinemary says:

    other men drove her for free
    and now the preacher tells you
    that she is really good as new
    so “man up!” the lordeth commandeth! zlzolzoz
    and buy the gas-guzzling broke-down money pit!
    which other men drove for free
    hen it was younger hotter tighter
    and fifty pounds lighter!

    Usually I have no idea what this guy is talking about, but this verse right here made me laugh out loud.

  105. Anon E Myshkin says:

    I wanted to adopt a cat, but the animal shelter didn’t have any. Does that mean it’s 2020 now?

  106. TFH says:

    JoeS,

    David Collard is talking about a blog by the name of ‘Traditional Christianity’, which was just a blog.

    You are referring to the real religion of Christianity when it was traditional (and perhaps still is outside of first-world nations).

    You both are referring to different things, of very different scopes..

  107. jg says:

    Wel this might a new perspective on the smarter sex now. I would expect women to have more analytical skills after this article:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2173808/Women-overtake-men-IQ-tests-time-100-years-multitasking.html

  108. jg, interesting data. Flynn is the man who came up with the Flynn Effect, an apparent overall increase in IQ in the population. There may be something in his suggestion that more cognitively demanding roles for women have raised their IQ.

    The original IQ tests were set up to equalise men’s and women’s IQs. The article is wrong about results previously showing higher scores for men. However Richard Lynn has claimed that men exceed women on g, general intelligence, by a few points on average and related this, I think, to men’s larger brain volume.

    The important point for elite intellectual perfornance is variance, and I don’t think Flynn is claiming that the highest IQs are no longer largely the province of men. Moreover, to use David Stove’s empirical argument, there continues to be little evidence of superior female performance in the real world. Top thinkers continue to be overwhelmingly men.

  109. @ JG – women are quite a bit better at multi-tasking.
    Men are much better logic / rational thought / cause & effect.
    How can women have analytical skills after reading a article ?
    I would be curious to review the test, previous test, and the details of the reported findings…

  110. The main new finding in the real world is that women make competent administrators. A task requiring a modicum of intelligence and good multi-skilling.

  111. Alte

    August 27, 2011

    The difference between a “basement virgin” and a “real virgin” is that the basement virgin is sitting in front of his monitor masturbating to porn and ripping into women he normally wouldn’t have a chance with. I don’t think basement virgins are even necessarily virgins, but they are definitely mean and unchaste. It’s a mentality.

    The name is something men came up with, by the way. We women used to call them “basement dwellers” or “bitter betas”, as we didn’t assume they were all virgins, but the Roissian version has caught on now. Roissy is big on virginity.

    This tells us what the Traditional Christianity blog was really all about and how it was not about authentic Christianity.

  112. jg says:

    @Micheal Singer:
    I agree with you and I also question this study which is coming out as a book. But it is very coincidental that feminists are putting women into the infantry, title Ix’ing STEM and now this finding. This in a sense is a feminist coup giving them more fodder to tilt STEM in favor of women. What is interesting that, after many complaints that the SAT’s were watered down after complaints from feminists that it was too male-centric, there are still more boys than girls getting perfect scores. This study turn’s Richard Lynn’s IQ studies on its head??
    Somebody told me once that never to trust any studies coming from Psychology depts of colleges and univesities due to the extreme feminist indocrination.

  113. jg, they cannot change reality. Women will be mediocre in all those areas. There is no evidence for anything else. It will damage the American economy, but most people in the world are competing with Americans.

  114. It is very damaging to the American economy. I have had the pleasure of working for a top notch Japanese Biotech (previous company was Swiss) which were pretty much male run companies. They were profitable and very desirable to work for.
    The current company I am employed with is a large American medical company with women in leadership positions. Needless to say, petty, irrational, unprofitable, and high turnover. The lack of introspection is quite sad (and funny).

  115. BlackCat says:

    Will: “what concerns me if this becomes law, is what is deemed to be cohabitation?

    I heard of a case in canada where a couple who maintained seperate residences were deemed by the court to be cohabiting because the Man spent four nights a week at the womans house, which cost him half his assets after the relationship ended.”

    So in other words,
    – Never date exclusively; always maintain a rotation of at least two or three women.
    – Never go on more than one or two dates in a row with the same woman.
    – Never let a woman frequent your home, and never frequent hers.
    etc.

    Funny how the laws and systems these misandrists attempt to impose for their own benefit will end up incentivizing men to become active players and avoid any pretense of commitment simply to protect themselves legally. Unintended Consequences FTW.

    When the game is rigged, there are no rules.

  116. Twenty says:

    Got a result that says women score better than men? That’s science!
    Got a result that says men score better than women? That’s sexism!

    This society can go f–k itself.

  117. Richard Lynn’s studies indicating men are more intelligent than women got plenty of coverage when they came out too. Also, that’s the Daily Mail. It is written for English women of the middle class. A lot of its coverage is anti-feminist.

  118. krakonos says:

    @Black Cat

    Funny how the laws and systems these misandrists attempt to impose for their own benefit will end up incentivizing men to become active players and avoid any pretense of commitment simply to protect themselves legally. Unintended Consequences FTW.

    Are you sure this consequence is unintended? At least by some politicians. Do not forget about Frankfurt school and “a Long March Through the Institutions”.

  119. BlackCat says:

    @krakanos: Are you sure this consequence is unintended? At least by some politicians. Do not forget about Frankfurt school and “a Long March Through the Institutions”.

    “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”
    -Hanlon’s Razor

    I like to give stupidity (and shirt-sighted selfishness, but I repeat myself) the benefit of the doubt.

  120. BlackCat says:

    *short-sighted selfishness

  121. greyghost says:

    krakonos
    Not to be too cute. Wouldn’t be a kick in the feminist ass if the laws in Canada where meant to force by default MGTOW on the whole male population. Done as a ploy to break feminism in Canada? No, just unentended consequences.

  122. Phantasmagoria says:

    Maybe. Maybe not. It depends just how far will the insanity will go. You never know, they might even get forced marriage laws or something equally insane.

  123. krakonos says:

    @BlackCat
    I did not say all politicians. But just enough to influence mindset of others. To play on their own interests and emotions. To “enhance” frame people think in.
    But you are definitely right that most politicians are either too stupid to see long term consequences or too self-centered to care.

  124. @ JG – women are quite a bit better at multi-tasking.
    ———————————————————-
    Myth —–busted——fact is no one can multitask, what we cal multi tasking is not multi tasking at all.
    Watch women driving and talking on the phone……check back

  125. lavazza1891 says:

    “…our results do not support the stereotype that women are better at multitasking. Women suffer as much as men when forced to multitask and are actually less inclined to multitask when being free to choose.”

    http://www.tinbergen.nl/discussionpapers/11044.pdf

    If women REALLY feel that they are better at multitasking than men, they should really be worried when they fly, since 99 % of all pilots are men.

    I like some multitasking that I have down to pat, like cooking dinner and emptying the dish washer at the same time, or doing super sets at the gym. At the office we have a coffee machine that takes some time to warm up, so I empty old cartridges for recycling, fill up the container, fill up more water in the filter jug, warm up my espresso cup with hot water, go for a wiz and make my espresso during my 3 minute visit. I hardly ever see my female colleagues do that.

    I like to listen to talk radio when I do simple stuff around the house, but I turn it off if I do something complicated or if I want to read something. The same with driving, I always turn the radio/CD off when driving in a parking house or parking lot looking for an empty spot. If a driver in front of me is behaving weirdly I often see that he/she is on the phone, having an intense discussion with the passenger or is looking for parking spots along the street.

  126. Just1X says:

    ‘women are better at multitasking’?

    well…if we define multitasking as doing multiple things at one time badly. okay, I can go with that. Perhaps men get to the top of all the professions because they focus. Giving praise for multitasking is giving praise for doing things in a mediocre way.

    Give me a call when women are achieving excellence while doing multiple things at once, but I’ll not be holding my breath.

  127. Just1X says:

    How to explain The Daily Mail to foreigners?

    How about a quote from a ’80s BBC political comedy (Hacker is a minister in government, Sir Humphrey and Bernard are his aides);

    Hacker: Don’t tell me about the press. I know exactly who reads the papers: The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country; The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country; The Times is read by the people who actually do run the country; The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country; The Financial Times is read by people who own the country; The Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country; And The Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is.
    Sir Humphrey: Oh and Prime Minister, what about the people who read The Sun?
    Bernard: Sun readers don’t care who runs the country, as long as she’s got big tits.

    (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes,_Minister)

  128. Flip says:

    “I’m Single, But I Want a Wedding”.

    “…(because I would, one day, like to get married) but that I am not saying “I want to get married.” I want a wedding. I want to plan a wedding. There’s a pretty massive difference.”

    That’s disgusting. She’s got no business lusting after the wedding as though it’s her solo party. Even if she wants a marriage (or to get married, at any rate), she’s treating the two things as separate items. A wedding to celebrate the unbreakable union of two people, versus a big party. There’s a pretty massive difference.

  129. an observer says:

    Focus on the positive. At least she’s being honest.

    Perhaps she could jump straight to the divorce party. That would save time.

  130. an observer says:

    Yes minister is one of my favourite shows. I use phrases and strategies lifted from there all the time.

    Needless to say, i work for government and apologise in advance.

    I hope to one day move to a real job in the private sector.

  131. Flip says:

    Ha. From what I remember, Yes Minister was quite good.

    Now I’m trying to imagine what a divorce party would look like.

    You could have half a five-tier wedding cake. Or a full cake, with those marzipan models on top, and a little marzipan axe shoved through the appropriate spouse’s head. Dainty little drops of red icing would cover his side of the cake.

    You could get out your old wedding dress and then burn it. Or, better yet, make a model of your poor ex-spouse, put the dress on the model, and then burn the lot.

    There would be dancing to music, the entirety of which would consist of man-hating anthems, you could hire a local raging man-hater to make the heart-felt speech (“You finally got rid of him!”), and then everyone would get drunk on cheap booze (because that part never changes).

    Um. I really, really wish I hadn’t imagined that now.

  132. Drama says:

    Just out of curiosity I checked out thegloss.com’s Alexa ratings. It’s what you’d expect to see but I’ll share my favorite findings.

    Check out these two pages.
    First the audience demographics chart and then the list of popular search queries.

    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/thegloss.com#

    I couldn’t help but chuckle to myself as I was rewarded with exactly what I expected

  133. Jon says:

    Here’s an interesting link on marriage in the UK – over half of polled couples regret marriage:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2174817/More-half-British-married-couples-regret-marriage.html#

  134. Give me a call when women are achieving excellence while doing multiple things at once, but I’ll not be holding my breath.
    ——————————————————-
    But they dont.
    They flit from one thing to another, NEVER multitasking, rather they start many tasks in a given frame of time and flit from one to the next, often spotting yet another that will further subdivide the attention span to the point where very little gets done at all, and things end up in an orgy of rushed half assed work

  135. gdgm+ says:

    Jason DeParle, writer of the New York _Times_ article referenced earlier in this thread (“Two Classes In America, Separated By ‘I Do’) has a follow-up post on his ‘economics’ blog, Economic Inequality And The Changing Family.

    “Decades ago, single parenthood was largely limited to poor people and minorities. Now it is increasingly common across middle America.”

  136. lavazza1891 says:

    “Dalrock.wordpress.com is ranked #145,261 in the world according to the three-month Alexa traffic rankings. Approximately 66% of visits to this site are bounces (one pageview only). The site has attained a traffic rank of 9,863 among users in Japan, where we estimate that 75% of its audience is located, and Dalrock.wordpress.com is relatively popular among users in the city of Ingleside (where it is ranked #17). Compared with all internet users, the site appeals more to users who are between the ages of 35 and 65; its visitors also tend to consist of childless, higher-income women browsing from home who have attended college.”

    [D: They sound like a third rate psychic.]

  137. farm boy says:

    then everyone would get drunk on cheap booze

    Why cheap booze? With the requisite divorce theft, there should be lots of money for better stuff.

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  140. Chachi says:

    Going through the comments the missing link is the fact that women prefer to be unmarried these days, even if they have children, at least in the demographic of people I’m around.

  141. ybm says:

    ‘these days’ is the most important part of that phrase. I agree with you and most of us would as well.

    Divorce wealth transfer/child support/government goodies for single parents/beta boy daddy paying his daughters bills and paying for her condo are all part of the ‘new dynamic’

    Unfortunately the money is simply not going to last forever, and when that happens women, as always, will seek a man to carry their burdens again under the marriage contract. The male slave mentality will be only too happy to submit himself to a ‘wifey’ because quite frankly the male in the Protestant world is not capable of living a life defined by anything but working as hard as he can at a job he hates and coming home to a wife that hates him.

  142. Bhabiji says:

    In the demographic I’m in there are baby mamas that want nothing to do with their baby daddies. No child support, no nothing. They prefer to be working single moms struggling to make ends meet than deal with the father of their kids. They want kids, but not husbands.

  143. Chachi says:

    In the demographic I’m in there are baby mamas that want nothing to do with their baby daddies. No child support, no nothing. They prefer to be working single moms struggling to make ends meet than deal with the father of their kids. They want kids, but not husbands.

  144. ybm says:

    They would willfully turn down free money? I think there is more going on than that. Whether they are too ignorant to attain such resources, or they are unlucky in the genetic lottery and have no goodies to get, no person would willfully turn down free resource transfers.

  145. Chachi says:

    The more that’s going on is that they want a “clean break” from their baby daddies because they don’t like these men and don’t want to have to deal with them, even if it means free stuff. These are young, good looking women too.

  146. ybm says:

    There’s nothing to get so they can handle a ‘clean break’, it makes sense now. Were he a man with any means he would be dragged into the meat grinder and have to pay out.

    Thank god they’re young and good looking. Today’s broke single mother is tomorrow’s stripper and escort! There daughters too!

  147. Chachi says:

    The men are not wealthy, that is true, but they are working and the women could get something out of them if hey pursued it. “I just want to move on” is something I commonly hear. And they are not on the prowl for a new man either. I’m becoming more and more convinced that women want kids but not husbands. Kids seem to fulfill their emotional needs more satisfactorily than men do.

  148. Chachi, Babhiji?

    Indian salutations for a woman?

  149. ybm says:

    Of course, a kid can’t leave, it not like they have a father they could go to or anything like that. Leading to either recidivists on mind altering drugs or lost boys with crippling emotion problems. Girls with such daddy issues they latch themselves onto whatever man can offer protection (girls from single mothers attain menses earlier, evolutionary this is to attain a male protector slave) or a dyke.

    And thus the demographic you indicate declines into the mass of the poverty stricken, either failing to reproduce or becoming part of the world of slums. Becoming the whores for the apex men who will pay to play, but will always marry the girl next door.

    We’ve discussed this on here before. Left to their own devices, women cannot maintain civilization. There societies will crumble around them and they return to primitive structures not unlike the road Jamaica finds itself in and Haiti already is in. They need male slaves to do the leg work of maintaining civilization. In your anglo countries, the race to the bottom is already in progress.

  150. Chachi says:

    What would you say about a woman with a 6 month old baby who breaks up with the baby daddy because she’s sick of financially supporting him for the last 3 years? I think they are legally married too, but not sure.

  151. ybm says:

    “Think before you spread your legs slut”

  152. Chachi says:

    He was contributing his equal share previously to the last 3 years. In the last 3 years he decided to chill out and let her pay for everything, making excuses all the while. He didn’t step up to the plate during her pregnancy either, she kept working. Rather than divorce him she stuck it out. Now she’s got her baby (love), so there’s no reason to tolerate his lazy ass anymore. He provides neither emotional nor financial fulfillment. The emotional fulfillment from the baby far outweighs that which she receives from him.

  153. Chachi says:

    “Decades ago, single parenthood was largely limited to poor people and minorities. Now it is increasingly common across middle America.”

    “increasingly common”?! Pfft!. Its the default norm.

  154. tm says:

    Re the NYT ‘marriage inequality’ article mentioned earlier in this thread:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/15/us/two-classes-in-america-divided-by-i-do.html?ref=us

    I ve noticed that some of the comments sound like the usual broken records with misogyny, not enough tax money given to poor moms, women always getting the short end of the stick, and men being poor parents being listed as the reasons for the inequality.

    The article itself shows many of the cards on the table but (unsurprisingly) doesn’t explain why the game looks the way it does.

  155. Strawberry Fields Forever says:

    That article covers it all. The middle class sinking into lower-middle class while the upper class manages to hold its own. Two income middle class families becoming 2 separate lower class families when the incomes are no longer combined due to divorce. Behaviours previously associated with the lower class now firmly entrenched in the middle class. Single parents riding the carousel and Junior becoming confused by meeting Mommy’s boyfriends mon-fri and Daddy’s girlfriends on the weekends. Kids getting attached to a carousel horse or mare and then left devastated when Mommy/Daddy breaks up with him/her.

    This is why people who immediately jump to divorce the second they find out their spouse cheated on them are wrong. Passions run high when we feel betrayed and angry. We need to calm down from the shock and rationally analyze the situation for the sake of the kids. Divorce is not always the answer to infidelity. There are alternatives.

  156. Dalrock says:

    @David Collard

    Chachi, Babhiji?

    Indian salutations for a woman?

    I thought she reminded me of a troll I banned early on but didn’t make the connection until you brought this up. Her local ISP just happens to match. Close enough for me.

  157. Yes, I could be wrong, but she may be a woman from the Indian subcontinent who has used several names. Some of her English usage is distinctive and her main aim seems to be to lower men’s morale.

  158. Strawberry Fields Forever says:

    I just watched a video about how couples are staying together in this economy because they cannot afford to split up. Not everything that’s “good for the economy” is good for us. Divorce and single parent families are “good for the economy” but not good for individuals or society as a whole. Families are also living together again, adult children with parents, the grandparents moving in, because they can’t afford not too. Its not good for the economy but its good for family values. Much of what’s good for the economy is deleterious for humanity.

  159. Strawberry Fields Forever says:

    Now here’s an interesting perspective and alternative to divorce. It could be likened onto the separation that some older couples voluntarily undergo in other cultures when their children are grown. Maybe our expectations of romance and hot sex into our retirement years is not realistic and becoming friends without benefits is the better option.

    http://www.more.com/relationships/till-death-do-us-part-new-age-alternative-divorce

  160. farm boy says:

    What would you say about a woman with a 6 month old baby who breaks up with the baby daddy because she’s sick of financially supporting him for the last 3 years?

    Well, in this case, there seemed to be ample time for here to assess his suitability to be a father. And she blew it, big time. Having a child is a big responsibility. Thought should go into it.

    Probably the only reason she kept him around was because of the gina tingle. Tingle uber alles.

  161. farm boy says:

    Now she’s got her baby (love), so there’s no reason to tolerate his lazy ass anymore

    Well yes, the government will step in with lots of goodies for baby and momma, more so if he is gone.

  162. Dalrock says:

    @Strawberry Fields Forever

    Now here’s an interesting perspective and alternative to divorce. It could be likened onto the separation that some older couples voluntarily undergo in other cultures when their children are grown. Maybe our expectations of romance and hot sex into our retirement years is not realistic and becoming friends without benefits is the better option.

    A classic case of a woman wanting the benefits of having a husband without having to be a wife. While her wanting this isn’t that surprising, him being foolish enough to agree to it is disturbing.

  163. ybm says:

    farm boy says:
    July 21, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Don’t bother lad, she, like all westernized women, have a rationalization for everything.

  164. farm boy says:

    The more that’s going on is that they want a “clean break” from their baby daddies because they don’t like these men

    They chose poorly. Normally it is obvious that if a guy is bad news and will make a poor father. Guys don’t hide that very well, if at all. In fact, this is what makes him attractive. The big questions are, can women make responsible decisions, and if they can, should they be held to them?

  165. OK, this Lothian woman asserts her obvious omnipotence and competence simply by virtue of her sex. Really? (Most males stop boasting like that as boys.) She can fly to the moon and walk on the bottom of the ocean? Really? Even as allegory, that is silly. She writes that she has the “balls” to get a man. The only globules that she can use to get a man are actually further up on her body. Why do women talk in this absurd way? She admits to being a “cougar” after her divorce.

    Am I totally cynical in suspecting that she simply wishes to be “ravished” (her word) by a man, and they are getting scarce as she ages? I diagnose a surfeit of literary porn in this case.

  166. Strawberry Fields Forever says:

    Hah David. We’ll maybe she only half gets it after all. The comments are interesting.

  167. Strawbs, the old boiler has been mugged by reality.

  168. Strawberry Fields Forever says:

    “wberry Fields Forever

    Now here’s an interesting perspective and alternative to divorce. It could be likened onto the separation that some older couples voluntarily undergo in other cultures when their children are grown. Maybe our expectations of romance and hot sex into our retirement years is not realistic and becoming friends without benefits is the better option.

    A classic case of a woman wanting the benefits of having a husband without having to be a wife. While her wanting this isn’t that surprising, him being foolish enough to agree to it is disturbing.”

    He’s benefitting also. He’s not forced to live with a woman he previously found it difficult to live with, but continues to enjoy a more positive side of her with some distance in between them. Nor does he have to pay alimony and divorce lawyer fees.

    My bigger point was about expectations of marriage in our elder years. It seems a lot of people have swallowed the MSM idea that we should be having rip roaring sex like we did when we were first married in our 20s, hence Viagra propaganda. There are other cultures that still have a more realistic view of old age.

  169. Strawberry Fields Forever says:

    “Strawbs, the old boiler has been mugged by reality.”

    Its true that most of the women and men who are into “rediscovering our femininity/masculinity” are at the age where estrogen levels decline in women and testosterone levels decline in men. They are grappling with the reality that the sexes inevitably morph into each other as the age process does its things. Then in our last years of life we become like infants. This is a cold hard fact that modern western culture is not comfortable with that is for sure.

    Bring on the viagra and testosterone/estrogen shots! We are deteremined to be hot, sexy, masculine, feminine, men and women well into our 80s!

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  172. qld654 says:

    Reblogged this on The Matrix.

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