Why have misandry delivered when you can bake it at home?

Misandry in commercials is standard fare, but every now and then a commercial manages to catch my attention.  I always mute commercials and as a result the visual impact of the commercial is heightened.  I suggest watching this one with the volume off to see what I mean.

Take note of the submissive expressions on the men’s faces.  Also note the closing image (pause it at 27 sec) where the wife is sitting on a chair (slightly resembling a throne) queen of the castle, while the men are on their knees.  Imagine what would happen if they made this same commercial with the genders reversed.  How would it fly if the husband was smugly sitting in a chair eating while two submissive women were on their knees scrubbing the floor having been successfully chastised like children?

Aside from the blatant misandry, the other thing that comes to mind is that women have pushed so hard for this frame of mind (where women are the parents and their husband and other men are children), yet they still bitch about it.  A recent commenter to the women over 55 being done with men post is an excellent example of this:

‘Forgiveness’ is a funny word for me too. At 52, I don’t want another man – I took care of him (I was his “mother with benefits”)…

Another commenter agreed with the sentiment:

I had to laugh at your comment, “Mother with benefits”! That’s exactly what I felt like in my marriage.

As I pointed out in a previous post women are trained to bitch about any outcome.  Let them trade roles with men and they have been slighted.  Let them have traditional roles and they are slighted.  Let them be on their own and men have failed them for not manning up and marrying them.

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119 Responses to Why have misandry delivered when you can bake it at home?

  1. ybm says:

    I find it incredibly creepy that women would few the men they are having sex with as children and them as mommy.

    Theres some deep Freudian psychobabble that this could be analyzed with, that is for sure.

  2. Senior Manchild says:

    ¨As I pointed out in a previous post women are trained to bitch about any outcome. Let them trade roles with men and they have been slighted. Let them have traditional roles and they are slighted. Let them be on their own and men have failed them for not manning up and marrying them.¨

    When western men eventually give a big yawn to all this tiresome, never ending complaining in the world; good luck.

    My lifetime has been punctuated with an exclamation mark by all this old shit.

    I´m done. I suspect most guys are also about done. It is not natural for one to receive so much complaining and/or care so much. Complaining just naturally and normally gets devalued with the years. All this concern about all these never ending tiring problems is fatiguing me. Most guys have enough real problems in their lives to attend to.

    The list is long for complainers of men especially white men to worry about their own shit. And my ¨sympathy fatigue¨ grows by the day.

  3. Will says:

    Eventually Misandry/Hate bounces, either producing Misoginy/Hate in return or Apathy/Indifference to Womens concerns. Ultimately you get back what you give, and feminists and Women collectively have be dolling out a lot of shit to Men these past 40 years or so.

  4. Opus says:

    I am delighted to learn that Dalrock watches Ads with the sound off; as I do, or at least did when I had a Television Set. As long ago, as when I lived in D.C. (before the days of remote controls) someone (in the house) and I presume a man, had wired up the T.V. with a device to zap the sound on the commercials. Men will not be dictated too, or at least exercise a discretion in what they watch. Men watch for the Football, or the Movie – but they are not there for some other purpose. Women seem to swallow everything without distraction or distinction: Men must be the despair of Marketing Departments.

  5. ybm says:

    Unmarried males between 21-35 are the “immoveable wall” the bane of marketers. Because of female domination of marketing companies since the HR revolution, this demographic might as well be painted with a sign that says “here be dragons” from a marketing perspective.

  6. namae nanka says:

    “Mother with benefits”

    can’t see themselves as lower in the hierarchy, and yet can’t fully be leaders, the motherly role is good compromise. The starting lines are quite appropriate here.

    http://www.angryharry.com/reTheAmericanWoman.htm

    “As I pointed out in a previous post women are trained to bitch about any outcome. ”

    This was an epiphany. If the history of humankind was upside-down still it’d be women who were the most oppressed. Not sure how much of this is a result of training/pedestalization/innate.

    http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=7547&

  7. either the man is in submission, or the woman is. No such thing as equals.

    At my house, I do not submit to women. They submit to me. And lo, there is order.

  8. Senior Manchild says:

    Beyond the damage that excessive caring for all the ills that are thrust upon us are causing us men, it really isn´t helping the victim classes either; it allows them to continue in dysfunction. An ever increasing dysfunction that will eventually be even more painful to cure.

  9. uncleFred says:

    I actually saw that commercial, I made a note to never buy that product. Were I still married I would ensure that my wife never bought it as well. It will be interesting to see how long that ad runs. If it offends enough men (and some subset of women) it won’t last long beyond its initial buy.

  10. Joshua says:

    http://www.angryharry.com/reTheAmericanWoman.htm

    This is the most depressing thing ive ever read.

  11. finndistan says:

    When I hear a woman bitch and moan like those examples, the first instinct I have is to say “Go eff yourself”; but, women feed on emotion. Just like love, appreciation, etc are emotion (food), so is anger, hatred (like a commenter mentioned above), and any other similar emotion.

    Turn around and walk away, not saying a word, except maybe a ridiculing self smile.

    This is what men should do, and apparently men are doing it in this “women induced marriage strike”… (looking at the facebook updates, and all the congratulation upon “is in a relationship”, I do not see many women not looking for a hubby to pick up the tab)

  12. Ian Ironwood says:

    @ybm:

    “Unmarried males between 21-35 are the “immoveable wall” the bane of marketers. Because of female domination of marketing companies since the HR revolution, this demographic might as well be painted with a sign that says “here be dragons” from a marketing perspective.”

    Not for everyone. Us porn guys love ‘em.

  13. tweell says:

    And TFH raises his fist in victory, porn being one of his predicted levers of change.

  14. Dex says:

    At least she doesn’t find herself a secret millionaire carpet cleaner.

  15. Twenty says:

    Watch that commercial, then explain to me exactly what that guy is getting out of his marriage. (And WTF is the deal with his friend? Man up, you spineless pussy! At least at least at least point out that this is a job for a f%$^@#g carpet cleaner.)

    Is this an ad for microwave pizza, or a psyop for the MGTOW movement?

  16. Michael Westen says:

    Until 2 years ago I would have accepted that as the way things really are and would not stop to question it.(women smart/strong, men weak/stupid).
    Red-pill now, I can’t believe they’ve fed us that shit for so long that it’s socially acceptable and questioned by few.

  17. Richard says:

    http://www.angryharry.com/reTheAmericanWoman.htm

    Interesting. Written in the 50s, it covers many topics we’re talking about now: women’s rape fantasies, submissive men, women being unhappy as the relationship leader.

  18. Bob says:

    Some black women were on the news the other day complaining about the “black women as a bitch” problem that the media “projects” onto Michelle Obama. They say the media makes black women look like bitches constantly. I had to kind of agree with them on the latter. Misandric commercials like this, rather than being funny, just makes women seem like bitches, and I think even women are starting to get totally sick of it. Hollywood and the media tries to portray women as “strong” and “matriarchal” and instead it comes off as just plain bitchy. This does not make me want to buy their damn pizza.

  19. Aynsley says:

    I actually found the ad kind of funny, given that in my (extremely traditional) grandmother’s house, tracking dirt on her clean floor was damn near a hanging offense.

  20. ybm says:

    Women are only getting sick of it because men are starting to realize the truth. You are putting the cart before the horse Bob in my opinion. The bitchy woman was not invented by the media, rather, women in their natural state is a bitch, and the media feels that appealing to a womans rotten centre is good for sales. I’m inclined to agree with it. That a minority of women are upset because they let the cat out of the bag too quickly as opposed to slowly over the course of decades is simply a hedging strategy.

  21. Kel says:

    I deliberately canceled my cable TV because I was tired of paying to be insulted like this. Now, I only watch anime.

    This commercial was actually noticed by those tracking misandry in commercials long ago, on this now-defunct blog:

    http://stupidmancommercials.blogspot.com/

    There are a lot of them there. There are probably more on Youtube than you could ever hope to review.

    The solution? Cancel your damn cable bill and never pay for TV. Western television is incredibly insulting. I’d rather watch Fullmetal Alchemist anyway.

  22. Legion says:

    namae nanka says:
    January 13, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    And the money quote is:

    ” “Sweetie” eats nothing but grass yet gets fatter and fatter, thinks sex is a chore, and does nothing to earn its own keep, unless “looking adorable” counts. I can’t think of a better addition to any tally of notable modern females.”

  23. ray says:

    As I pointed out in a previous post women are trained to bitch about any outcome. Let them trade roles with men and they have been slighted. Let them have traditional roles and they are slighted. Let them be on their own and men have failed them for not manning up and marrying them.

    yep

    now that Team Woman and their hired emasculates have driven actual men from the workplaces, schools, and altars, we see males being mocked as losers and deadbeats and man-boys . . . by the same matriarchy that FORCED them into such circumstances under cover of Equality and “progress”

    we see the increading demonization and criminalization of guys, b/c the alternative would be for the gynocracies to admit their role in guaranteeing those negative male outcomes, indeed in coercing those outcomes by law and constant propaganda . . . gynoland’s utter failure . . . and that ain’t gonna happen, not while there’s a dollar that can still be spent

    u.s. women age 50 and above own over THREE QUARTERS of this nation’s financial wealth, so no surprse who DiGiornio and GlobalCorp and government and everybody else panders to them with endless empowerment commericials, products, laws, offers, education schemes, etc

    Babylon the Great (that’d be US folks) is condemned (and eventually destroyed), and the bible tells us exactly why, enumerating the selfishness, commercialization, and economic iniquity (systemic unfairness) that necessitates her takedown — going so far as to mock her for her arrogance as she “sits as queen” believing herself unaccountable to God (not to mention mere males)

    Babylon is characterized biblically as the Great Whore only secondarily for sexual/promiscuous behavior — the primary rebuke is against her prostitutions in seeking endlessly after money and material things, for selfish and luxurious purpose (social status, largely) with no thought or care for the consequences to Mere Males and the rest of the planet

  24. Alistair. says:

    I too watch commercials with the sound off, and it’s surprising what you see visually that the audio chatter distracts you from.

    For many years i had no tv and lived in media-free bliss, until I married again and the tv has now magically appeared in the living room once again, that delivery mechanism for discontent.

    At least my wife has the good manners to respect my dislike for commercials and mute them when she’s nearest the remote.

    I have stopped pointing out that commercials and chick-flicks are designed to put men in the beta/moron frame, and that she’s partly responsible for a 21 year-old daughter who literally believes that boys lie and kinda stink…….

  25. Retrenched says:

    “Eventually Misandry/Hate bounces, either producing Misoginy/Hate in return or Apathy/Indifference to Womens concerns. Ultimately you get back what you give, and feminists and Women collectively have be dolling out a lot of shit to Men these past 40 years or so.”

    ^^^^^ This right here.

  26. TFH says:

    Two points that have to be internalized.

    1) Dalrock wrote :

    As I pointed out in a previous post women are trained to bitch about any outcome.

    SO much makes sense once a man grasps the concept of a s*** test. Women who complain are merely fishing for a man who dismisses their whining and teases them. Men who take a woman’s complaints seriously are effectively telling the woman ‘please filter me out, as I am too needy since I don’t have a lot of choices’.

    2) That television is rife with misandry shows that this is what women *want* to see. They want to see men dehumanized and degraded.

    Now, aside from the obvious fact that no commercial could ever portray women badly and get away with it, it is also true that men have no desire to see something that portrays women negatively. But women do.

    That shows that men are clearly the more mature and benevolent gender. It also proves that ‘misogyny’ is imaginary (outnumbered 10,000 to 1 by the opposite of misogyny – pedestalization), while misandry is real. It is laughable for anyone to claim otherwise.

  27. TFH says:

    And TFH raises his fist in victory, porn being one of his predicted levers of change.

    VR Sex, to be precise. I consider that a bit more sophisticated than porn.

    But that is only ONE of the Four Horsemen. All Four are needed to pop the Misandry Bubble, just like an orchestra has wind, string, percussion, and brass instruments in tandem. Same here.

  28. PA says:

    “Imagine what would happen if they made this same commercial with the genders reversed. How would it fly if the husband was smugly sitting in a chair eating while two submissive women were on their knees scrubbing the floor having been successfully chastised like children?”

    Serious answer? Normal women would LOVE it, as long as the man came across as alpha-enough. Non-lesbian feminists, privately, would love it too.

  29. straightright says:

    I have to admit that many of these commercials pass through my conscious filter. I’m not paying attention a lot of the time, so they go past my usual rational processing. After a long day of coding, experiments, reading, etc. I’ll get something to eat and watch tv for a few minutes, and I’m sure lots of these idiotic advertisements come through. I’m usually pretty good at picking things up, but this shows me I need to be more on my guard. I’ve seen the pizza commercial on tv, and thought it was dumb, but I never really processed the empress on her throne. I’ll have to try “no sound during commercials” from now on.

  30. jbamai says:

    Miguel de Cervantes wrote “Love and War are the same thing” and Sun Tzu wrote “All warfare is based on deception”. Therefore this video and others like it are merely propaganda in the war of the sexes.

    This link describes the two sides of the same coin that makes love and war.

    http://wp.me/p26lRt-U

  31. Carnivore says:

    Imagine what would happen if they made this same commercial with the genders reversed. How would it fly if the husband was smugly sitting in a chair eating while two submissive women were on their knees scrubbing the floor having been successfully chastised like children?
    Take a look at these. “Your coffee sir” is pretty good but the second one is a riot.

    These two commercials and the pizza commercial use humor to sell. The coffee commercials were obviously targeted at women; the pizza commercial at either sex, perhaps? However, the difference is attitude. In the 60′s, it was held as “normal” that husbands were the leaders and wives wanted to please their husbands. Today, it is held as “normal” that wives rule the roost and husbands want to please their wives.

  32. I grew up watching ads like that. Not just ads, but TV references even in trendy sitcoms that assumed men were the masters. Even in women’s magazines.

  33. Anonymous says:

    Don’t want a mother… told my Ex, when she complained “I’m not your mother,” that “If you were my mother, I’d have run away from home.”

  34. Alistair. says:

    VR sex is coming. probably x-box if i was to guess……

  35. Deborah says:

    Once again I’m glad that AFN doesn’t have commercials … although the public service announcements are just as bad, if not worse. From watching them, you’d think that all military men–and it is always the men, not the women–(1) have anger issues, (2) beat their wives and children, (3) drink and drive, (4) sexually assault women, (5) gamble and/or drink too much, and/or (6) are going to commit suicide or, worse yet, see the warning signs and yet not try to prevent a friend from committing suicide. The only thing that makes it maybe-not-worse than regular commercials is that (I really hope) the PSAs are chosen based on statistical evidence of what’s actually a problem within the military.

  36. Sweet As says:

    I love vintage commercials.

    Ironically, I totally “your tea, sir” and “your breakfast, sir” this morning. It’s a sort of goof with us, but I think it still has positive impact.

    I’ve had a problem with “man debased” in film/tv/etc for a long time. But, it certainly creates (or is part of) a reality. For many women, they are the ‘mothers and maids’ to their husbands, rather than the wives.

    I’ve seen it a lot, and I am glad that I am not subject to that myself. Thank goodness.

  37. Ecstasy says:

    Misandry it is. It’s less useful for us men to bitch in turn though. Just refuse to acknowledge the stupidity of it all.

    It’s funny how women perpetuate the very thing they bitch about.

  38. stonelifter says:

    one more reason to not have a TV in the house. Life is hard enough and there is no need to invite the enemy and the enemy’s propaganda into the home

    and yea, the “commercials” in AFN are pretty damn bad too. The military is damn near the last place in the US you get to be a man, but they still hate you for it

  39. Anonymous says:

    Old and somewhat off-topic, but… hypergamy in action…

    “I’m Cheating on My Husband and Loving It. Is That a Problem?”

    http://www.salon.com/2007/10/09/cheater/

    “I am a cheater. I’ve never had a boyfriend or husband that I didn’t cheat on. … I am also a “lapper,” in that I tend to start a new relationship while still in the previous one. …”

    Even the advisor columnist at ol’ liberal, feel-good Salon.com doesn’t like this.

  40. imnobody says:

    Great post but nothing new, Carl Jung said it in 1912:

    the women [in America] are the mothers of their husbands as well as of their children, yet at the same time there is in them the old, old primitive desire to be possessed, to yield, to surrender. And there is nothing in the man for her to surrender to except his kindness, his courtesy, his generosity, his chivalry.

    And see also

    I noticed that whenever the American husband spoke to his wife there was always a little melancholy note in his voice, as though he were not quite free: as though he were a boy talking to an older woman. he was always very polite and very kind, and paid her every respect. You could see that in her eyes he was not at all dangerous, and that she was not afraid of being mastered by him.

    (See http://www.welmer.org/2009/08/13/carl-jung-founding-father-of-game/ for more)

    As I have said repeatedly, I am from Southern Europe and here feminism is mainstream, accepted by the entire society. I have always wondered why feminism is not as harmful as in America and women are not that crazy, delusional and entitled.

    Then, some weeks ago, something dawned on me: In my country, THERE IS NO PEDESTALIZATION. OMG!!! It was before me all the time and I didn’t see it.
    It is the mixture of feminism and pedestalization what has produced the mess in America.

    American people always have put their women on a pedestal. It might be the legacy of Victorian era. It may be the rejection of Mary in the American Christianity (so the eternal feminine is embodied in actual women instead of a religious figure). But the reverence that American men put on American women is the cause feminism has been so harmful.

  41. Imnobody, good point. We don’t pedestalise much in Australia and feminism is weaker. And I think your point about Our Lady is a good one.

  42. imnobody says:

    Richard contributes to another piece of the puzzle:

    http://www.angryharry.com/reTheAmericanWoman.htm

    But, he stated, Americans move in a world of illusion. To them woman is more than human and has become a goddess, a divine creative principle to whom no vice, error or weakness can be found.

    Great finding, Richard. It is better to read the entire article.

  43. greyghost says:

    The commercial is to me todays actual “herd” mentality. This is the I’m superior attitude being culturly taught to females. (You all with youngs kids should spend a day watching disney channel) Any woman that does not treat her man or husband like that is lacking in someway. That Kate Goslin chick dogged her husband during that show Jon & Kate plus 8. Spoke to the man with no reguard. Most of the laws of misandry are written to allow a woman to treat a man that way with out any consequences legal or otherwaise. Even basic constitutional rights are ignored.

  44. Opus says:

    I have a theory as to why women endure, and quite happily T.V. commercials.

    I suggest that it is because they are biologically programmed to never tune-out the sound of small children. For them anything on T.V. is of the same quality.

  45. Carnivore says:

    Imnobody – you hit the nail square on the head.

  46. Suz says:

    Hah! Opus: “I suggest that it is because they are biologically programmed to never tune-out the sound of small children.”

    Too true, and further evidence that I’m an odd bird. I hate the TV, but my husband always has it on (when he dozes off I mute it) and when my son was very young I learned to filter the “sound of small children.” I did not “hear” whining and I acknowledged inane chatter without focusing on it.

  47. Imnobody

    BRILLIANT

    I travel there a lot, north south and eastern Europe, doing business with many middle manager women, etc etc. Ive asked and wondered exactly what you have just answered. Thank you thank you.
    I have written and spoken many times that here, I encounter these women who are 100% accepted feminists, all the laws, the perceptions, the life routines, everything….BUT…the women are 100% comfortable in their skin, they are feminine and very pleasant to deal with, Ive often thought how cool is that. To be clear, codified laws and misandric principles notwithstanding I mean…..the interaction with these women is just far far better.

  48. Luke Paskins says:

    It’s true that europe is less fuckulated by misandry but part of europe is the british isles and part of those isles is ireland, and if you guys think you’ve experienced misandry, henpecking,sexism, male battery etc over there, you ain’t had but a jot of what’s considered ‘normal’ over here. I suppose it’s really just that men had to build a ‘safe’ world so that women could go around being the psychopaths they always were but had to repress fro the greater homo sapiens breeding programme.

  49. Anonymous says:

    I’m skeptical about supposed cultural differences. I think class is more important. Feminism has had the most dire effects on the working-class. Europe, including Southern Europe, is generally richer than America, and I think this is why it seems Feminism hasn’t caused as many problems over there.

    If you look at the European blue-collar class, you’d see that the same negative effects associated with feminism have happened. England is a prime example.

  50. Buck says:

    I hear PUA et al forever singing the praises of the Eastern European women as ideals in submissive femininity; and yes they are hot as hell in disproportionally large numbers BUT in the city where I work, there are a lot of eastern Europeans and they are every bit the gold digging, monkey ass raping whores in divorce court as any American woman.
    I was on a domestic call the other day with an off-the-boat Russian broad. She was 32, hot as hell, wonderful smile, very feminine, pleasant and a total man shredder. She was living in a palatial house (stolen from husband #1), driving a Benz (stolen from #2) and shacking up with a boy-toy, who we were evicting…why, because she found a new sugar daddy. Oh, and she hit on me ( I guess she thinks having a flatfoot in her phone log would be a benefit…NO THANKS).
    Guys are like lambs to the slaughter with gals like this one. If I hadn’t swallowed the red pill years ago, it would be too easy to listen to her sad tale, believe, and want to “help” her.
    Alas, I’m conditioned by red pill consumption, to look at what she is “doing” not saying…she is a bile-spewing-she-devil-dragon looking for another hapless dupe to consume.
    Also, as a caution. I find the incidence of severe mental disorder, alcoholism, drug abuse, and Alzheimer disease disproportional in this community…don’t know why, just an observation.

    I responded to a naked woman in a liquor store, trashing the place. She was crazy as a loon and we took her to the hospital rubber room, where her daughter and daughter’s boyfriend showed up. Daughter was a clock stopper…WOW…22, just unreal good looking. The boyfriend was a bit dazed, perhaps he was unaware of the “family”. I sidled up to him, head tilted in loony-moms direction and said, you may be peaking into the future…the look on his face was priceless.

  51. CL says:

    I’m not missing TV one little bit (threw it out over a year ago – I hardly ever watched it and got creeped out seeing kids sitting in front of it like zombies). When I did watch it, I also muted the commercials – the ridiculous number of commercials is partly why I hate watching it (the rest of the reason being that there’s rarely anything worth watching). If I didn’t tune out the sound of young children, I would lose what’s left of my mind and TV just depresses me.

    If someone insists on having a TV, draw the line at having one in the bedroom! UUUGGHH!!!

  52. Buck says:

    Luke Paskins says:

    Irish women, hahahahaha

    I’m 1/2 Hibernian, (pop married a non-Irish and his mick family basically disowned him). Oh you are SO correct. There is nothing to compare to the Irish she-devils.
    The lovely and Gracious Mrs Buck is NOT one of them!
    I also note that they simply are not attractive in large numbers. Sure there is a rare beauty, but nothing like Italian women, or Greeks, or Swedes. Most are flat, freckled, square hips, and the attitude…OMG!
    It’s no wonder Irish men drink so much!
    If I had to come home to some nasty, bitching, butt ugly troll, I’d be hammered too.

  53. Legion says:

    Buck says:
    January 14, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Half Irish here, but all American. I do have a book of short Irish stories by Ray Bradbury. In one of the stories an Irish wife is called ‘Daughter of the Beast, in deference to her mom’. I didn’t realize it was true at the time.

  54. ray says:

    We don’t pedestalise much in Australia and feminism is weaker

    you pedestalize PLENTY is Oz, tho in fairness the US is the ur-matriarchy of all time, and the center of planetary goddess-worship (outside the Catholic Church that is! lol)

    i’ve been reading the fantastic series at AVfM on the machinations and inter-relations between feminism and the Oz government, as they ramp up the next round of apartheid

    men in Oz, as in Amerika, are willfully ignorant of the plans of their own governments to destroy them

    “American people always have put their women on a pedestal. It might be the legacy of Victorian era. It may be the rejection of Mary in the American Christianity (so the eternal feminine is embodied in actual women instead of a religious figure).”

    there is no Eternal Feminine — that’s feminist propaganda, and it damn sure didn’t start in victorian england

    there is only our Father, who created everything (including the feminine, which no doubt he often regrets)

    the Eternal Feminine shtick, in its modernist forms, derives from the various gnostic schools and cults of the first few centuries AD — it’s a satanic concept that, a la Eden, involves direct rebellion against the authority of god

    the urge in the human male to worship and revere the feminine (and for the feminine to revere herself) is ancient, and grovelling to them in our matriarchies is just as offensive to god as churches devoting themselves to the idolatry of “Our Lady”

  55. The Australian Government that is planning to do that is headed by a deeply unpopular woman. The plans still have to pass Parliament. I have alerted men I know to the plans and I intend to write a few letters asking the bureaucrats what they plan to do about the half of domestic violence peroetrated by women and the majority of child abuse they do.

    On pedestalsing, I live here in Australia and we don’t do this much. Women have never had very high status in Australia.

    As a Catholic, I object to references to Goddess worship. That is an old canard. In fact, the RC Church has rightly kept women out of our hierarchy. And we don’t support divorce.

  56. Alistair. says:

    Catholics have a terrible time with the whole “Mother Mary” thingy…..

    Love/Hate…..wow.

  57. English speaking Europe has it much worse, for some reason. I should have said on the continent with my comments above.

    Eastern European women living here are no longer untainted, Im not surprised they are screwed up in a western city. Plus…..its spreading anyway

  58. Eric says:

    Dalrock:
    What’s really instructive about commercials like these (and articles in womens’ magazines and TV shows, books &c. as well) is that they so clearly demonstrate female attitudes towards men. All of my adult life women have made no secret of the fact that they hate men and despise us all as inferiors. These kinds of media promotions tell us what they genuinely feel, as opposed to the phony interviews, surveys, and polls telling us how much they value good men, trust men, want families, &c. The statistics on broken relationships/marriages; abortions, and single motherhood belie what they say as well.

    What that commercial really shows is the ideal male/female relationship from the ‘liberated’ woman’s standpoint: a bunch of punks snivelling at the feet of the Anglobitch. Has anyone who’s ever suffered the hell of our culture’s relationship wondered why things didn’t work out? You would have to sink to the level of the males in that commercial—like an organ-grinder’s monkey—before you could be ‘everything she really wanted.’ Don’t ever make the mistake of listening to the shaming language that ‘you couldn’t measure up’ to these womens’ standards. The fact is, most men can’t measure down to such standards. That’s why women in our culture throw themselves at bums, thugs, morons, and metrosexuals; it’s easy to feel superior to such males. A woman’s whole purpose in a relationship is to bring the man down to the point where he looks upon her as an earthly goddess—which most of these bitches actually imagine themselves to be.

  59. Eric says:

    Ray:
    I think that you’re mistaken here in conflating the maternal aspect of Catholicism with the Protestant aftermath. Pre-Reformation Christianity had a built-in gender polarity; like most rational cultures. This was extended more broadly into the paternal state and the maternal church. The same system came originally from the Romans, who copied it from the Greeks and Egyptians, respectively.

    Even non-Christian cultures follow a similar pattern. The Eastern religions symbolize the same concept with a divided ball of ‘Ying-Yang’; the masculine and feminine in balance. The Semitic cultures, Jewish and Islamic have a Cabala, a tree with two pillars emanating from the same divine source.

    Feminism has never gained a strong foothold in any country without a Puritan tradition. The reason is because the Reformation broke that gender polarity. They took away Mary and the female saints and melded church and state into an androgynous unit. With the feminine cultural symbology gone; men turned to pedestalizing earthly women. Feminism grew out of that social milieu.

    For that reason also, social/tradcon women are little different from their radical feminist sisters in their attitudes. Some have said that tradcons are ‘Feminism’s Fourth Wave.’ Not true. Tradcons are really a reactionary throwback to the first and second waves. Seven decades of Communism couldn’t instill feminism in Eastern Orthodox countries; nor has soft socialism produced it southern Europe, Latin America, or any Catholic countries. Feminism isn’t flourishing in largely agnostic China or Japan, or in the Middle East, despite US occupation/influence. It can only grow in an environment where the gender polarity is already broken—the Anglosphere and Scandanavia with their Puritan backgrounds is its natural habitat.

  60. Sweet As says:

    i find a single definition of the cosmos laughable.

    i don’t believe there is a divine masculine or feminine. i certainly don’t believe in a “our father, who art in heaven” or related. i live in a non-theistic cosmos. this is different from atheistic, because i believe “the divine” in a ‘genderless’ way. and, it allows me to get outside of all of this damn jockeying for who is “superior” to someone else.

    though, i’m very egalitarian all things considered. it’s just that everyone has their talents, their roles, and their choices.

  61. Doyourownresearch says:

    You have a keen eye Dalrock,

    This has been the standard procedure to emasculate American men. These guys get grow accustomed in behaving in this manner. After sometime these submissive guys have a docile lifestyle. Since their women believe TV and the laws back them up, well this is what the new man acquiesces to.

  62. Retrenched says:

    Hmmm… Okay, looks like you’ve addressed it. Never mind.

    (Note to self: Read the whole thread next time.)

  63. Twenty says:

    @Sweet As

    i find a single definition of the cosmos laughable. … i live in a non-theistic cosmos.

    Well, the cosmos is what it is, and your opinions don’t alter it. You don’t get to choose whether or not there is a God, or what his nature is.

    You can believe what you like, and live your life according to what precepts you prefer. But none of that alters reality.

  64. Anonymous Reader says:

    Eric, I suggest that you don’t know as much about Japan and China as you should. Japan has its own form of feminism, and the result in part is the “grass eater” MGTOW men. Young, urban women in China are becoming quite feminist, although of course they are still a minority. The Protestant reformation obviously is irrelevant to both cases. The declining birth rate is no surprise.

    Feminism and feminization has made great strides across the industrialized world. Spain has changed astoundingly over the last generation, for example, as have Greece and Italy. Your sweeping generalizations are too overbroad.

  65. ybm says:

    @Eric
    “Feminism has never gained a strong foothold in any country without a Puritan tradition. The reason is because the Reformation broke that gender polarity. They took away Mary and the female saints and melded church and state into an androgynous unit. With the feminine cultural symbology gone; men turned to pedestalizing earthly women. Feminism grew out of that social milieu. ”

    I’ve been thinking about these topics for some time. The pathway of

    Calvinism->Great Awakening->Puritanism->Dissenters->Woman’s Temperance Movement->Suffragettes->First-wave feminists

    seems to be one worth writing about, especially the parallel pathways of inherently evil man and inherently virtuous woman. If sin is inherent in man, only by bringing men down can a new “mother church” based around the male-as-slave paradigm be realized.

  66. Phil says:

    Eric,

    Roman Catholic Italy and Spain have very low birth rates.

  67. Anonymous says:

    The dating/mating scene in progressive, liberal Canada left to… well, see for your self:

    “Man Brutally Tortured by His Wife and Her Boyfriend in Toronto Apartment,” The Star, 13 Jan 2012

    http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1114925–man-brutally-tortured-by-his-wife-and-her-boyfriend-in-toronto-apartment

    The cuckold impregnantion/abuse fantasy taken to real-life extremes by twisted people. Having cajones could’ve prevented this.

  68. anon #2 says:

    @Buck

    I have a feeling if Mrs. Buck is a gem, it has more to do with her husband than you claim.

    Just sayin.

  69. ray says:

    The Australian Government that is planning to do that is headed by a deeply unpopular woman.

    yes? so unpopular that she was voted into office? lol

    On pedestalsing, I live here in Australia and we don’t do this much. Women have never had very high status in Australia.

    what would leading your government amount to, then?

    the investigations by AVfM and others evidence that, in contradiction, females in Oz have a status clearly superior to that of males, a status reflected throughout the anglosphere

    are you seriously refuting that?

    As a Catholic, I object to references to Goddess worship.

    then you object to God’s command to reverence HIm only, not that He gives a shit about your Objections

    That is an old canard. In fact, the RC Church has rightly kept women out of our hierarchy. And we don’t support divorce.

    yes i’m aware of those facts david and appreciate them (you missed disapproval of abortion! lol)

    even fifty years ago, when i was a catholic, the peeps were far more worshipful of mary than of jesus, who they considered an abstract principle, far-removed from their lives and quite dead

    nothing’s changed, it’s only gotten worse , esp with the encouragement of mariolatry via rome by jp II and benedict

    men desperately want to please women, that was Adam’s problem too, and catholicism deifies mary in precisely the same way eve sought to deify herself

    from this error, ALL agony, death, and evil entered into a world theretofore deemed, by god himself, to be good, and deemed by all creation to be paradisical

    as you illustrate, the power of that error is extremely strong, varied in expression, and persistent, and amazingly, even with the coming of Christ, and a thousand years of holiness and restoration, the very same error will arise powerfully again, such is its appeal

  70. ray says:

    Ray:
    I think that you’re mistaken here in conflating the maternal aspect of Catholicism with the Protestant aftermath. Pre-Reformation Christianity had a built-in gender polarity; like most rational cultures. This was extended more broadly into the paternal state and the maternal church. The same system came originally from the Romans, who copied it from the Greeks and Egyptians, respectively.

    Even non-Christian cultures follow a similar pattern. The Eastern religions symbolize the same concept with a divided ball of ‘Ying-Yang’; the masculine and feminine in balance.

    yes, thats the point i was making: catholicism over the centuries gradually regressed to mere Eastern paganism of yin-yang equality, which in the modern West is now the secular goddess Equality

    it’s funny how that yin-yang “balance” always ends up yin, aint it? :O)

    god’s not a Democracy, nor is he an Equalist, he’s our sovereign FATHER and does not have “feminine half” nor does his true son have a “co-redeemer” nor a co-anything-else, he’s also sovereign and not “half” of anybody’s circle

    The Semitic cultures, Jewish and Islamic have a Cabala, a tree with two pillars emanating from the same divine source.

    kaballa is sorcery derived from babylon, a twisting of torah and nothing to do with jesus

    Feminism has never gained a strong foothold in any country without a Puritan tradition. The reason is because the Reformation broke that gender polarity. They took away Mary and the female saints and melded church and state into an androgynous unit.

    they took away worship of ALL the saints, not just the female ones . . . and mary too, and rightly so, long overdue

    but it is eastern yin-yang, “balanced masculine and feminine,” twin-pillared kaballa, jesus/mary co-redeemers, and the Equality Religion of the modern West that is androgynous, certainly not the Reformation that attempted to dismiss these idolatries, and return to the biblical word

    With the feminine cultural symbology gone; men turned to pedestalizing earthly women. Feminism grew out of that social milieu.

    men have ALWAYS pedestalized women

    shit, Aristotle was comlaining about the EXACT same female cultural issues we discuss here in the Dalrockosphere

    Tradcons are really a reactionary throwback to the first and second waves. Seven decades of Communism couldn’t instill feminism in Eastern Orthodox countries; nor has soft socialism produced it southern Europe, Latin America, or any Catholic countries. Feminism isn’t flourishing in largely agnostic China or Japan, or in the Middle East, despite US occupation/influence. It can only grow in an environment where the gender polarity is already broken—the Anglosphere and Scandanavia with their Puritan backgrounds is its natural habitat.

    feminism is v strong in europe and japan, tho in differing cultural modes, and is growing in china and the middle east, and in MANY other natons outside the Anglosphere and Scandinavia — India, France, Spain, certain countries in s. america. . . also v hot in africa recently, with heavy intervention from hilary, WHO, UN, etc

    dunno where you get yr info from Eric

  71. Julia Gillard has the lowest popularity of any Labor PM for decades. She got the job by ratting on her male leader. She was very lucky to win government. She is widely loathed. Female politicians have a history of failure in Australia.

  72. If you want to argue that Catholics worship Mary, provide a reference from the Catholic Catechism. The fact is, we don’t.

  73. Neither do the Orthodox.
    The truth of the matter is, the Blessed Mother of God is one woman I don’t mind White Knighting for.

  74. empathologicalism says:

    @sweet as

    Well, glad you sorted that for us. Its great to pick a framework that requires little to nothing of you, in terms of behavior OR in terms of investigation….just flippantly say “I find it laughable”….amazingly deeply insightful.

    Oh, it also allows you to make down the nose proclamations such as that one….basking in the heady and superior knowledge that there is no knowledge.

    I used to say that stuff, all through my 20′s.

    Most folks grow out of that.

  75. Yep says:

    Misandry is certainly widespread in Ireland.

    In the past quarter century or so, we replaced the Catholic church as the definer of moral values and installed liberal feminism in its place. The feminists changed a lot of things, but one thing they didn’t change was that there’s an elite who decide for other people what’s pure and impure in sexual thought and behavior, and who enforce their line by moral bullying. They’re pushing at an open door of residual Catholic guilt and shame that you can pick up just by growing up in Ireland, even if you’re not a religious person. This residual Catholic guilt is well described by Dylan Moran in the clip below…

    Another factor in Ireland is our military neutrality since we declared independence after WW1. In countries like the United States or Australia, there’s still some respect for male military values and for men who have to go to war, and most people probably have a father, grandfather, or great grandfather who was a combat veteran. In Ireland, we wrote our WW1 veterans out of history and thereafter protected ourselves from Nazis, Soviets and other threats by a giant shining cloak of moral integrity. We get military protection for free from NATO, so we don’t value it and we don’t value the male skills and male sacrifices that go along with it.

  76. anon #2 says:

    @the nazi

    “kaballa is sorcery derived from babylon”

    Actually ive studied some Jewish mysticism, and ive also read a bit about sorcery via conspiracy sites.

    Its not quite the same thing. One is concerned with getting close to God, the other with a general spiritualism (at best) using sexuality as a liberating force.

    When youre talking about practical use, there is a line. Many Jewish mystics were punished from Heaven for “making use of the crown”. I know a few masters, and in general they believe one should only rely on prayer. The only exceptions are when dealing with an actual sorcerer, protection from the same, or saving a life. The punishment for violating the crown is terrible. Entire communities have been devastated by this, i asked about why a certain group of jews have been so tortured, and i was told point blank because it was due to this alone. Generally the true masters will only rely on prayer to achieve miracles.

    Note: if you see someone bragging about his kabbalistic mastery then STAY AWAY. The person is at best a scam artist, at worst totally evil. I mean evil with an E. The real masters avoid money and fame like the plague. You would not believe me if i tried to tell you how much they cant take the sickness of this world. I know some of these men, and even i cant believe how much they hide.

    Other people go insane, die, or become apostates or see their children become apostates.

    Besides, its cheap. You should always stick to prayer – its more human. More real.

    As for not based in Torah, its all based on Torah. Everything has its roots in the holy book if one knows where to look and is guided by the traditions of the sages.

    But your right has nothing to do with jesus. That story is just a Roman lie.

  77. Suz says:

    Empathologicalism, Sweet As may have sounded smug, but she does have a point. Divinity, by definition, is beyond the scope of human imagination, therefore “God” could very well have no gender, or any other human attributes. We tend to forget that possibility in our attempts to comprehend the incomprehensible. What I find find “true” in religious traditions, is that they often mirror human instinct. This begs the question: Do we define God according to our deepest instincts or did God create our instincts to follow his plan? Every individual chooses his or her own answer to that question, but the fact remains that our instincts promote our survival. One can believe anything about the nature or existence of God, and still recognize the value of religious traditions, because they are logically valid, whether “it’s God’s will” or not.

    There is plenty of “knowledge,” but a God that can be clearly defined by the human brain, strikes me as a rather small God, less than divine. And frankly, people who claim to “know” God’s will (as opposed to having faith that it exists) strike me as self-aggrandizing. I am a Christian, but the only parts of the Bible I consider “God’s Word,” are the words spoken by Jesus himself. The rest is man’s feeble attempts to understand and define what is beyond our ken.

    My two cent, for what it’s worth.

  78. imnobody says:

    @ybm

    “I’ve been thinking about these topics for some time. The pathway of

    Calvinism->Great Awakening->Puritanism->Dissenters->Woman’s Temperance Movement->Suffragettes->First-wave feminists”

    Yes, I have tried to know more about this path, since I realized that it was the origin of feminism and why feminism has been more virulent in Protestant countries.

    I think liberalism and feminism are only secularized versions of Puritanism. If you read Albion’s seed (the chapter called “East Anglia to Massachusetts), you find a lot of similarities between modern East-coast liberalism and old East-coast puritanism.

    But I don’t know where to find information about the evolution from the Pilgrims to modern times. There are a lot of links I don’t know in this chain.

  79. ybm says:

    I’m at the same point you are, jstor is sorely lacking in writings outside the feminist criticisms that discuss puritan family power dynamics.

  80. ray says:

    If you want to argue that Catholics worship Mary, provide a reference from the Catholic Catechism. The fact is, we don’t.

    the fact is, you do

    you utilize many Weasel Words like “reverence Mary” or “devotion to Mary” or “venerate Mary” or “co-redeemer with christ” as if God is a human audience and is confused by rhetorical dubbletalk

    LOL!

    as if he cant see your hearts!

    you pray to Mary, indeed prayer to Mary is far more common w/catholics than praying to jesus

    the de facto worship of Mary is pagan idolatry, exactly paralleled by the western males’ subjugation to woman, and his absence of courage in being able to stand up to his own wife, daughter, sister, mother, or civil/religious matriarchy

    pointing to the absence of the word “worship” in the catechism is a red herring, and a dead one at that

    “[O]ne can justly say that with Christ, she herself redeemed mankind.” (Pope Benedict)

    “Our salvation is based upon the holy Virgin” (Pius IX)

  81. 7man says:

    @Ray
    Prayer is not worship. It is merely “asking” and a conversation with a person no longer on the physical earth. Also the definition of worship has changed due to protestant influence. In the historical meaning there is the “Adoration Worship” (reserved for God) and “Veneration Worship” ( a form of respect and admiration). Keep in mind that Court Judges in Britain are addressed as “Your Worship,” and clearly no one is equating them with God. Modern people have lost this distinction and therefore meaningful discussion of this is near impossible. Likewise a common understanding is impossible when non-Catholics tell Catholics what Catholics believe when Catholics don’t actually believe that.

  82. ybm says:

    latria: the honor due to God alone
    dulia: the honor due to human creatures worthy of respect

    As 7man says, these are separate concepts in the Catholic Church.

  83. imnobody says:

    @ybm

    I agree with you. I think it’s a good idea for both of us to share the resources we find.

  84. ybm says:

    It has been a set-back trying to find just what Puritans really felt about the essence of female power in the family that isn’t drenched in feminist snark, viewed under the bias of the witch trials, so I have been trying to connect the dots, so to speak from Mary Wollstonecraft through the 19th century. That is in its infancy.

  85. SOBL says:

    Check out tip no. 1…

    http://thestir.cafemom.com/love_sex/131404/6_sexy_love_tips_we

    Instead of saying “stay or get married since those are the women voer 50 having sex”, the article says loosen up your attitude about post 50 relationships.

  86. Anon says:

    The white nationalists will say that Dalrock is misguided in worrying about a black woman bossing around her black husband. They will say his allegiance to white solidarity should come first.

    They will also say that the real conspiracy behind the commercial is that white guys and black guys are shown as friends. Misandry is the distraction, in their view.

  87. PT Barnum says:

    If you want to argue that Catholics worship Mary, provide a reference from the Catholic Catechism. The fact is, we don’t.

    A real percentage of Latin American women name their sons Jesus. This is not a particularly good thing.

    Oh sure, the Latin American countries can’t even begin to compete with North America in nastiness or pathological lying, but they do have real problems.

  88. Dex says:

    YBM – you may not find what you’re looking for among the Puritans. If you want to track this train of thought, you’d probably do better looking at the Quakers and Unitarians and various Universalists in the same general time/region. The Puritans, as I understand it, were pretty Calvinist. Everyone is wretched in Calvinism.

  89. ybm says:

    Yes I’ve been going into Methodists writings as well. Finally putting those years I wasted being a substitute social studies teacher and my B.A. in history to use….

  90. Dex says:

    Another line of thought might be this: Feminism is a Progressive “ism”. Countries that accepted one of the Progressive forms of gov’t (Facism, Socialism, Communism) got feminism as part of the bundle. For example, universal suffrage was one of Mussolini’s reforms in Italy. Countries that rejected Progressive governments were then influenced by the “long march through the institutions” which offered up Feminism, Multiculturalism, etc a la carte.

    I think you’ll find that religious teachings are heavily influenced by the culture surrounding them, so pointing the arrow of causation at religious movements is going to be tough going.

    Just a thought. I could be wrong.

  91. Dex says:

    imnobody and ybm – Mencius Moldbug at Unqualified Reservations blog traces this line of thought down. You might take a gander at his stuff, especially his Gentle Introduction To Unqualified Reservations series to help find what you’re looking for.

  92. Lucky Jim says:

    The Puritans only lasted as a force for about 100 years in New England, their descendents having largely moved toward Unitarianism by the mid-1700s. The theology changed, but the busybody meme held fast.

  93. Anonymous Reader says:

    Look, feminism is a branch of Marxism. Marxism is not a branch of any part of Christianity, although modern churches are infected with it – “Liberation Theology” isn’t only found in Catholic churches, for example. So it seems pointless to argue that this branch or that branch or the other denomination is somehow the source of feminism, because it isn’t.

    The important thing is the links between the various flavors of Marxist-Leftist viruses – Mussolini’s Fascism had a lot more in common with various Socialists in other parts of Europe including Russia than you might think. And all of them were about expanding the state to infinite size, in order to control the population – for its own good, of course. Every modern feminist uses the “oppressor – oppressed” dialectical approach of Karl Marx, to the best of my knowledge and that’s no accident.

    Feminism is Marxism.

  94. YBM says:

    Feminism predates Marxist so it is not that simple. Hell if you are attributing feminism to Marxist critical theory you might as well blame feminism on Immanuel Kant. The fact is that the majority of influential feminist thinkers and writers before the 1960s were christian, and overwhelmingly educated in private christian/protestant schools.

  95. YBM says:

    “I think you’ll find that religious teachings are heavily influenced by the culture surrounding them, so pointing the arrow of causation at religious movements is going to be tough going..”

    Good thoughts and that is what I have been trying to get at the core of: was the culture of the puritans (or other groups as has been pointed out) one that elevated the virtue of the woman at the expense of the man?

    Somewhere along the line, the importance of the virtue of woman influenced the Woman’s Christian Temperance Movement, which opened Pandora’s box and led to the First-Wave.

    I am trying to find those cultural links. I am starting with the single most important thing to those early women: Christianity.

    Plus this is a Christian blog so it makes sense to discuss those topics here.

  96. Alistair. says:

    feminism as we relate to it pre-dated marx, as did lilith, but the socialist ideal is of the state as parent….and what better way to divide the traditional family christian values system than to set men and women against each other for fun and profit?

    i don’t see socialism as beginning with marx. many feudal states had tyrant kings and peasants who had to be ruled with an iron fist. in that sense marx was an effect, not a cause.

    socialism, as marx himself said, is about controlling the means of production. marx’s ideas were the perfect way for industrial tyrant kings to control people…promise them a worker’s utopia, a much tougher challenge than intimidating field workers with men on horses.

    another thing that struck me recently; in medieval times, men and women were tortured physically in a dizzying array of horrific ways, and we still have the holdover of those practices in the lethal injections we occasionally give a particularly objectionable criminal. what has replaced to old-fashioned inquisitor is the tax man and divorce court judge. what we lose now is not life and limb, but our vitality in the form of earnings.

  97. Eric says:

    Anon:
    I would say that the so-called ‘feminism’ you describe in China and Japan has more to do with the fact that there are huge demographic imbalances between men and women in those countries. I think China has a something like a 2:1 male/female ratio. The women are simply being more choosy. Chinese and Japanese women who’ve married American men I know are anything BUT feminist in their attitudes.

    As for Southern Europe, notice that abortion is still illegal in Portugal and Italy; even though women have the right to vote. Their declining birthrates have led to the same problem as China and Japan; they are not the Amazons that American women are, simply more choosy about their mate choices. And one can’t fault them for that. As for Italian, Spanish, and Greek women: I notice the number of men from feminized Britain and Scandanavia travelling there to seek suitable wives hasn’t abated much.

  98. Eric says:

    Ray:
    “The Catholic Church has regressed to Eastern paganism, et seq…”
    Well, if Catholics worship a ‘goddess’; why don’t we also have female priests and popes in Catholicism (unlike pagan cultures who actually Do worship goddesses have?)

    “God…does not have a feminine half”
    No, but the humanity He created does. Part of one essence forms the masculine and the other the feminine. That’s also the creative principle of the Divine, which in actual practice leads to human reproduction. God is a Unity because God is Absolute Perfection; and if the creation were united into a single gender, it would be itself God—a metaphysical impossibility. This is why a lot of anti-religionists also favor social policies tending towards androgeny.

    “Cabala is Babylonian sorcery and is a twisting of Torah and has nothing to do with Jesus.”
    I never said that Cabalism had anything to do with Jesus. However, it is a philosophical underpinning of both Jewish and Islamic metaphysics. From what I’ve read of it, it was derived mostly from Neo-Platonism among the Jewish academies of Roman Alexandria in Egypt.

    “Men have always pedestalized women.”
    No they haven’t. A large number of wives throughout history were taken as war prizes or bought outright.

    As for the intervention of feminists like Hillary Clinton in the world; I’ve been in Latin America where the women are exposed to feminist media from the US constantly. You ought to hear how they laugh about the stupidity, sluttiness, and domineering attitudes of American women. Sure, they have their small cadres of feminists there too; most women are of the opinion that they are closeted lesbians (which they probably are, just like they are here).

  99. Eric says:

    Anon 1/15@637:
    Since the USSR collapsed, it has come out that Lenin, Stalin, and Khruschev heavily bankrolled feminist movements in the West as a means of social destabilization. Notice though that radical feminist movements were never tolerated inside the Soviet Union at all: there were never any ‘gender wars’ there!

  100. Dex says:

    @Eric – The USSR did try to undermine and replace marriage as the basis of their own families and the family unit as the basis of their own society back in the 20s. It was a disaster and they had to implement reforms under Stalin to undo the damage. They learned the hard way that the mythmaking of anthropologists about the natural state of primitive man is no way to order a society.

  101. ray says:

    Well, if Catholics worship a ‘goddess’; why don’t we also have female priests and popes in Catholicism (unlike pagan cultures who actually Do worship goddesses have?)

    for the same reason the u.s/west worships and obeys women secularly, while the strong majority of actual political offices are occupied by males

    an individual or a collective, like a church, can practice idolatry w/o female ecclesiastic leadership –Druidism, to take just one example, is led by male priests, but they serve the “eternal feminine” i.e., the goddess

    the absence of females as priests in catholicism doesnt necessitate, nor even infer, the causal result of male control of the Church, nor that male priests/bishops/popes will not support the western female agenda, by “devotion” to Mary a la JP II, and/or by general social policies

    and, in reality and practice, women DO control the catholic church, even as they control the West w/o overt leadership

    I never said that Cabalism had anything to do with Jesus. However, it is a philosophical underpinning of both Jewish and Islamic metaphysics. From what I’ve read of it, it was derived mostly from Neo-Platonism among the Jewish academies of Roman Alexandria in Egypt.

    kabbala was systemitized in babylon during the hebrew captivity, hundreds of years before alexandria’s great library even began construction . . . but the actual rites are far older, reaching to the beginnings of the agricultural revolution and settled townships

    alexandria was just a repository of gnostic, magico-hermetic, and kabbalic texts, and a center for “schools” hawking that “knowledge” — much like modern New Age workshops

  102. dragnet says:

    @ Dalrock

    “As I pointed out in a previous post women are trained to bitch about any outcome. Let them trade roles with men and they have been slighted. Let them have traditional roles and they are slighted. Let them be on their own and men have failed them for not manning up and marrying them.”

    Nice sum up. Good post.

    @ Anonymous

    “The cuckold impregnantion/abuse fantasy taken to real-life extremes by twisted people. Having cajones could’ve prevented this.”

    No doubt about it. Game could have saved this man.

  103. jbamai says:

    @SOBL reference your link to that trash peice article about love tips from the French American women could use. I wrote an article on this here:

    http://wp.me/p26lRt-1Y

    That article is a perfect example of confirmation bias,

  104. Joshua says:

    its bad when the kids know “Dad is in trouble” or “Dad is in the dog house again.”

  105. Joe Blow says:

    Men are going their own way but not in the MGTOW sense of the term, and it’s probably been this way for a long time, and perhaps now the cultural hegemony of second gen feminism sort of hides this.

    How does a man respond to the flood of misandry in pop culture, and even from our supposed traditionalist “man up” leaders? By manning up in the traditional way. Ignoring them and doing what we think is right for us.

    My friends and I are all successful, more or less traditionally manly guys. We’re getting into early middle age and we still play sports, hunt, can fix just about anything around the house (none of us will touch 220 wiring though) and we competently lead our households. When we get together and the talk turns to our women, or women generally, the occasional bit of distaff insanity will get mentioned, and the unanimous reaction is, “ah, what can you expect. She’s just a woman.” There’s no hatred there, no dislike of the women in question, just a frank admission that we’re not going to hold them to manly standards of emotional stability and rationalism, but we’ll grade them on a curve. All the gals are fine wives, we’re all friends and hold each other (I think) in pretty high regard, but they women are getting a 15 point headstart on the test and we don’t begrudge it to them, we’re being the bigger man, as it were.

    In a way, we’ve withdrawn from popular culture – and the TV ratings and advertising dilemmas referenced above show that. We’re letting the women have the pop culture and run with it, with their idiot assertions that men are lazy, incompetent boobs, feckless. The ads and the sitcoms and a lot of the dramas run this way, and so do our workplace & general social relationships. But for the most part the men I associate with have our own little world where respect and rationalism matter, where stupidity and emotional overreaction and incompetence is met with a raised eyebrow or a “Dude…” and our lives go on, and we live alright. Maybe the big war in the culture is lost, but it doesn’t mean we can’t individually win most of the battles we face in our own lives. We’re not asking for praise or starry eyed admiration, or pop culture enshrinement (unlike some *other* genders I could mention…) It’d be real nice if our sons’ masculinity wasn’t being assaulted by the school system from the day they enter it, that’d save us some de-programming time and save the boys a lot of angst. But the bottom line for guys with a realistic, more or less traditional outlook on life is that the girls can have their silly little beliefs if they want, and say whatever stupid crap they want. We know damn well they need us to change a tire, respond to the bump in the night, and to ignore their shit test and exercise manly leadership in the home, and they know it too as long as we don’t go all meta and get drawn into a debate about roles, and if we quietly go about doing our business and getting shit done. The 40 year old successful spinster syndrome is a great example of men quietly going their own way, and younger women who are interested in men will likely take note of it eventually, and learn from their mistakes. There will be a quiet rebuke of second gen feminism (perhaps after more hard learned lessons) because eventually, even lemmings figure it out and go on to achieve reproductive success. Meanwhile, my buddies recognize the misandry as the loud utterings of a fool and not worth heeding, and I think a lot of men who are going their own way out there do as well. This is a pretty traditional approach to dealing with women when they insist on being stupid, and it allows us to do other, more important things, or at least things that are less painful than dealing with the insanity of the gender war that one side declared. It’s a form of voting with our feet, similar to the way that we’ve produced record TV ratings (and ad / TV deal revenues) for NFL games. You can’t force us to listen to fembot crazy talk unless we consent, and a lot of us are withholding consent by simply not cooperating with the narrative. So we’re doing what we want. We’re empowered. It may not be clear from the pop culture or reflected in the TV shows or ads or op-ed pages, but you can see it in our homes, and in where the money goes. All is not lost.

  106. ybm says:

    Going your own way doesn’t mean what you think it means.

    ““ah, what can you expect. She’s just a woman.”

    Case in point. It is not supplication.

    I have not gone ghost like a lot of guys have, I have my rotation while I keep myself open to the possibility of a worthwhile woman (see Dalrock’s excellent post on how to vet a prospective wife) while dipping into carousel sluts at my leisure. But going your own way has a very specific meaning, and it does not include supplicating beta men.

    “We know damn well they need us to change a tire, respond to the bump in the night, and to ignore their shit test and exercise manly leadership in the home, and they know it too as long as we don’t go all meta and get drawn into a debate about roles, and if we quietly go about doing our business and getting shit done. ”

    You need to read “The Manipulated Man” by Esthar Villar as soon as you can. You have a lot to learn about the slave mentality in this paragraph.

  107. ybm says:

    The system you are living under is pejoratively called ‘Man-up 2.0″

  108. Joe Blow says:

    I don’t know, YBM. I do pretty much what I want, I take good care of my family, I don’t take much shit from my wife, if any, and I rarely have to fight to be able to influence or take charge of events in my own home. If she’s on the right path, I let her do what she wants; if she’s on the wrong path and it’s trivial I let her do what she wants; and if it’s serious I step up and put a stop to it but otherwise am comfortable not dominating the house. Maybe my variation on the model is the big picture commander / strong XO model. I’m happy and doing pretty well, and the more I do what I’m doing, the easier it seems to be to lead my family in the direction I would like. The more manned up I am, the more deference I get on leadership questions and the fewer shit tests are thrown at me, the less my leadership is questioned.

    Maybe I’m some pathetic Greater Beta but my life seems better than that to me.

  109. LD says:

    It is,alas, true in regard to irish women. Just wow! Until I was old enough to travel independently, I assumed it was normal to be completely whipped/living in perpetual fear/bereft of masculine self esteem/ lacking in any self-esteem whatsoever/24/7 drunk out of your mind….. And then I realised that no, it’s just Ireland. Ugly,coarse,vulgar,aggressive,abusive,bullying female population. Irish men are the bitches over here.

    A positive side effect of that is not being intimidated by women generally cos not even the worse yank gold-digger is half as terrifying as an Irish female. Looking back over the indoctrination (which starts in primary education), it’s tantamount to child abuse. And the damage it wreaks on the social fabric of the nation is ongoing and deeply set.

    As a side note, feminism is by far and away the most successful low-cost NWO TPTB strategy ever. They’re essentially getting the mass of working men to pay for their own destruction…. it’s more about winding down civilisation as we head into super peak oil and resource collapse than it is about wealth co-option. I’m sure that not a popular take on it for American people, but the truth it is.

  110. Raycomo1982 says:

    Being raised by my father (a black man) since I was seven (my mother moved away), I am amazed at how women (especially the sistas) blame men for all their problems when most of the playas/pimps who drag these women through the mud are raised by unwed mothers; as well as 80% of the prison population. Take some responsibility.

  111. ybm says:

    @Joe Blow

    I know you are probably quite content in your lifestyle. My argument was that some of us don’t want to live under the old system, and the book indicated gives a pretty good analysis of the roots of why you are content in that system. If you read the book and still feel good doing as you are now, fantastic, just know that, as a man, you are capable of so much more than “useful device”.

  112. LD says:

    does anyone want to pick me up on feminism and the rise of BDSM? Seems a lot of 21st century women are semi-secretly desperate for objectification and bondage, prescription, power exchange and all that shit.

  113. Scythian says:

    “Aside from the blatant misandry, the other thing that comes to mind is that women have pushed so hard for this frame of mind (where women are the parents and their husband and other men are children), yet they still bitch about it. ”

    Are there really wives out there who want to pick up after and care for their husbands as if they are children? They must not have jobs or kids and be really, really bored.

  114. Scythian says:

    “Well, if Catholics worship a ‘goddess’; why don’t we also have female priests and popes in Catholicism (unlike pagan cultures who actually Do worship goddesses have?)”

    Hinduism has lots of goddesses, but very few female priests.

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